Undecided!!! Keep GT4 or go for 991 GTS. Thoughts?
Discussion
Twinfan said:
Why not? I do with my CGTS!
I have given the GTS praise enough ;-) it's a car at the top of it's game and a great car with a great engine, I did think about the swap myself, but vs a GT4 for a Sunday Blat no contest sorry.I have better cars for me than my GT4 for a blat anyway, I take my Spyder ;-), but you get the idea, that how ever great and all round the car is, to use it all week then go for that one off drive Sunday 7am thrill drive, it's not quite got it.
as most have PDK in the 991 GTS also that's another massive minus point for a weekend car for me.
And for me on a personal note I think I would go turbo S over a GTS now.
a manual 997.2 GTS well that's a great car also and now very sort after but too much £££ that would fit my perfect daily remit though.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 22 September 10:02
Not driven either, so can't comment directly.
However, I recall hesitating between 2 m'bikes a long time ago, one an outright sportsbike, the other its slightly tamer and more practical brother. To help me decide, the dealer merely asked - "if you take the practical one, and the other pulls up next to you at the lights, will you be happy or regretful?" I bought the sporty, less practical one, and never regretted it...
Always found the "what if, at the traffic lights" comparison a useful guide as to the emotional pull of a vehicle...
Don't know if that can help you?
However, I recall hesitating between 2 m'bikes a long time ago, one an outright sportsbike, the other its slightly tamer and more practical brother. To help me decide, the dealer merely asked - "if you take the practical one, and the other pulls up next to you at the lights, will you be happy or regretful?" I bought the sporty, less practical one, and never regretted it...
Always found the "what if, at the traffic lights" comparison a useful guide as to the emotional pull of a vehicle...
Don't know if that can help you?
I must think like mrD I too was considering the swap gt4 to 991 Gts but not sold on Pdk or the manual 7 speed so I think I would much prefer to go to manual 997.2gts which I was going to go for after my 987spyder and before I got allocated a Gt4!
The spyder 987 is a good car but I would prefer the 997.2s/GTS for the weekend car hence why I went gt4 at £71k it was a no brainer against a low miles £70k GtS!!
But imo buying any of the above is a good call!
You can always give the gt4 the power of the 991gts for that extra top end bark!
The spyder 987 is a good car but I would prefer the 997.2s/GTS for the weekend car hence why I went gt4 at £71k it was a no brainer against a low miles £70k GtS!!
But imo buying any of the above is a good call!
You can always give the gt4 the power of the 991gts for that extra top end bark!
Fokker said:
I agree... Those that haven't driven a GTS won't know how evocative it sounds. The engine is the best thing about it, and theres no flat sport in the torque curve at 4800 revs 
The GT4 is loud for sure but unlike my old Cayman R, there is no howl in the cabin to speak of.
The GTS has such an amazing howl and together with the sports exhaust thats a lot louder than the 997 variant and closer to that of the GT4, hence why lots modify their 997's.
I strongly suggest you drive a 991 GTS in sport mode and then you'll know which way to go.
Also agree. The howl in sport plus sounds superb. The GT4 is loud for sure but unlike my old Cayman R, there is no howl in the cabin to speak of.
The GTS has such an amazing howl and together with the sports exhaust thats a lot louder than the 997 variant and closer to that of the GT4, hence why lots modify their 997's.
I strongly suggest you drive a 991 GTS in sport mode and then you'll know which way to go.
I did wake up on Sunday morning and was excited to take it out for a blast....must be something wrong with me...
Edited by m88ony on Thursday 22 September 12:27
Porsche911R said:
I have given the GTS praise enough ;-) it's a car at the top of it's game and a great car with a great engine, I did think about the swap myself, but vs a GT4 for a Sunday Blat no contest sorry.
I have better cars for me than my GT4 for a blat anyway, I take my Spyder ;-), but you get the idea, that how ever great and all round the car is, to use it all week then go for that one off drive Sunday 7am thrill drive, it's not quite got it.
as most have PDK in the 991 GTS also that's another massive minus point for a weekend car for me.
And for me on a personal note I think I would go turbo S over a GTS now.
a manual 997.2 GTS well that's a great car also and now very sort after but too much £££ that would fit my perfect daily remit though.
Drove both before I went GTS and the turbo S is savage and ridiculously quick. Problem is that the limit is so high on the Turbos S that it disguises the thrills which took some of the enjoyment out. Also the on the limit your doing jail time speeds. I also had an issue with the noise on the Turbo S when compared to the GTS. I have better cars for me than my GT4 for a blat anyway, I take my Spyder ;-), but you get the idea, that how ever great and all round the car is, to use it all week then go for that one off drive Sunday 7am thrill drive, it's not quite got it.
as most have PDK in the 991 GTS also that's another massive minus point for a weekend car for me.
And for me on a personal note I think I would go turbo S over a GTS now.
a manual 997.2 GTS well that's a great car also and now very sort after but too much £££ that would fit my perfect daily remit though.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 22 September 10:02
I know, you have guys selling great cars for Atoms and guys moving in all directions.
I thought about a GTS and it's a great thing, but I would be changing just for change sake and would prob regret it from a GT4.
7 speed and PDK are BIG issues, as I said a great all in one car, but I don't need an all in one car so not for me atm.
Turbo S has more of a pull for daily use, making sure you have a toy in the garage for weekends.
I thought about a GTS and it's a great thing, but I would be changing just for change sake and would prob regret it from a GT4.
7 speed and PDK are BIG issues, as I said a great all in one car, but I don't need an all in one car so not for me atm.
Turbo S has more of a pull for daily use, making sure you have a toy in the garage for weekends.
Porsche911R said:
but I cannot see you waking up on a Sunday and saying to yourself "lets take the GTS for a blat" esp as it's PDK people choose as I would also.
I do and mine is PDK. GTS is a special car and multi-talented. However, if I was in the OP's position I think I would keep the GT4 for a while longer. I'd stay with the GT4. I had a similar decision to make in whether to run the GT4 through the winter. Its so much more enjoyable than my previous 991S and we still don't know when or what Porsche will replace it with. Enjoy it while its there.
As an aside - I've been looking for all weather tyres. The only N rated ones I can find for all 4 corners are P Zero N0's - only the fronts come in N1's. Has anyone fitted anything else? I don't fancy full snow tyres (i.e. Alpins)
As an aside - I've been looking for all weather tyres. The only N rated ones I can find for all 4 corners are P Zero N0's - only the fronts come in N1's. Has anyone fitted anything else? I don't fancy full snow tyres (i.e. Alpins)
I love my GT4 and have debated a change to Spyder and 991 GTS but would need manual and can't find a nice one...
Either way I hope I'm getting a GT3 slot next year so will move back to that and spec manual..buckets..
Very slightly regret selling my 997.2 GT3 CS..... GT4 is more chuckable thought!
Either way I hope I'm getting a GT3 slot next year so will move back to that and spec manual..buckets..
Very slightly regret selling my 997.2 GT3 CS..... GT4 is more chuckable thought!
MUR44Y said:
I have a GT4 that I did have advertised on Autotrader and still have advertised on Pistonheads as I am / was going to sell as also have a 911 Supersport being restored and its due back next month after 15 months of work...
Problem being, the more I drive my GT4 and don't thing of selling it the more I am enjoying it.
Query is - there seems to be a lot of GT4 owners changing to 991 GTS's and I quite like the thought of 4 seats (and they look like a 90% of the driver involvement of a GT4?!?) - I have 3 kids and means in theory I would be able to use the car more as could take the 2 older kids to various activities whilst the current Mrs MUR44Y looks after the newborn... at present I can't do that.
I could in theory use the Supersport when it comes back but would I be better selling both and having 1 car - a 991 GTS?
Has anyone made the move and regretting it or is it a natural change to be making?
I currently only use the car twice a week to run my oldest (7) to football and rugby and its epic but hardly being fully utilised!
Also, potentially doing a track day in the car - do I need to bother changing tyre pressures or is standard set up a-ok to go out and do 3 or 4 laps?
Thanks re both queries!!!
I've had both - First a 991 GTS, then a GT4, and it was the GT4 that was most exciting to drive. My GTS was on the standard damping, not the -20mm, and it did feel quite soft when pushing on, whereas the GT4 felt more planted. But the GTS got more use as it was more comfortable on long journeys, and I could take my 3 children in it too. The engine in the GTS also felt more urgent, and the car definitely felt more special that the GT4. 991 GTS prices are now on the way up, so the market must like it.Problem being, the more I drive my GT4 and don't thing of selling it the more I am enjoying it.
Query is - there seems to be a lot of GT4 owners changing to 991 GTS's and I quite like the thought of 4 seats (and they look like a 90% of the driver involvement of a GT4?!?) - I have 3 kids and means in theory I would be able to use the car more as could take the 2 older kids to various activities whilst the current Mrs MUR44Y looks after the newborn... at present I can't do that.
I could in theory use the Supersport when it comes back but would I be better selling both and having 1 car - a 991 GTS?
Has anyone made the move and regretting it or is it a natural change to be making?
I currently only use the car twice a week to run my oldest (7) to football and rugby and its epic but hardly being fully utilised!
Also, potentially doing a track day in the car - do I need to bother changing tyre pressures or is standard set up a-ok to go out and do 3 or 4 laps?
Thanks re both queries!!!
Now in a 991RS - now thats on another level...although I'm sure the standard 991 GT3 3.8 engine sounds better.....
But trips to kids football is definitely a job for the Golf - too many careless drivers in the car park, and besides, I don't want to be 'that' guy in the Porsche....!
I've had a 7.2 GTS4, 7.2 TurboS, 981 Spyder, and GT4.
Of the 4, the GT4 rewards the most. It also draws the most attention.
The GTS is just a nice 911, but it's just a normal 911 at the end of the day. The TurboS is very nice, but a different proposition. The Spyder is quite special to look at and is lovely on any given sunny Sunday. But the GT4, rain or shine, it is brilliant from behind the wheel. Nothing rewards as much on road, out of the 4 cars.
Of the 4, the GT4 rewards the most. It also draws the most attention.
The GTS is just a nice 911, but it's just a normal 911 at the end of the day. The TurboS is very nice, but a different proposition. The Spyder is quite special to look at and is lovely on any given sunny Sunday. But the GT4, rain or shine, it is brilliant from behind the wheel. Nothing rewards as much on road, out of the 4 cars.
woollyjoe said:
Well put! Which is why I can't understand the heavily inflated prices.
Because some people will buy sensibly. If they see that a car is holding its value, they will stand to lose a lot less, therefore demand is higher and availability is lower, pushing the price up or holding them firm.If I had have bought a normal 991 S, I would stand to lose money over the next 12 months for certain. With a GTS, I'll either lose very little in comparison, or perhaps even make a small amount.
To me it looks nicer than a cooking 911, is faster with the power kit and has no 'held back' throttle bodies giving you more of a full fat experience, has different suspension tuning making it a bit more focused, has a much nicer interior, sounds superb with the standard sports exhaust and is a lot less common.
To me its a very sensible buy that just happens to be a cracking car with superb reviews and represents a high point in the 911 lifecylce being the last of the none turbo road cars.
Cant wait to collect it on Saturday!
Edited by Fokker on Monday 26th September 17:46
Fokker said:
Because some people will buy sensibly. If they see that a car is holding its value, they will stand to lose a lot less, therefore demand is higher and availability is lower, pushing the price up or holding them firm.
If I had have bought a normal 991 S, I would stand to lose money over the next 12 months for certain. With a GTS, I'll either lose very little in comparison, or perhaps even make a small amount.
To me it looks nicer than a cooking 911, is faster with the power kit, has different suspension tuning making it a bit more focused, has a much nicer interior, sounds superb with the standard sport exhaust and is a lot less common.
To me its a very sensible buy that just happens to be a cracking car with superb reviews and represents a high point in the 911 lifecylce being the last of the none turbo road cars.
Cant wait to collect it on Saturday!
Everything above you say is true - conversely you could debate with weaker residuals a low mileage used 991 might represent better value? Sure the GTS is an amazing car - saw and heard a Carmine red example a few weeks ago - like the 981 GTS sounds better than the normal "S" versions with a sports exhaustIf I had have bought a normal 991 S, I would stand to lose money over the next 12 months for certain. With a GTS, I'll either lose very little in comparison, or perhaps even make a small amount.
To me it looks nicer than a cooking 911, is faster with the power kit, has different suspension tuning making it a bit more focused, has a much nicer interior, sounds superb with the standard sport exhaust and is a lot less common.
To me its a very sensible buy that just happens to be a cracking car with superb reviews and represents a high point in the 911 lifecylce being the last of the none turbo road cars.
Cant wait to collect it on Saturday!
dreamcar said:
Everything above you say is true - conversely you could debate with weaker residuals a low mileage used 991 might represent better value? Sure the GTS is an amazing car - saw and heard a Carmine red example a few weeks ago - like the 981 GTS sounds better than the normal "S" versions with a sports exhaust
Its a hard call but i have lost a lot of money over the years on cars and so now I do try to minimise the pain! I think GTS' in 997 and 991 form are a great buy now and for the foreseeable future.A 997 S now, in nice condition is available for just over £30k from an OPC with a 2 year warranty see here http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...
Thats where a 991S is heading in 5/6 years time if kept in tip top condition with full Porsche history and lowish miles.
I was offered a 12' plate 991 S with 12k miles for £67k from an OPC 4 weeks ago. In 5 years time it'll lose about £35k going by the above which is quite a good indication.
Will a 991 GTS lose £35k in 5 years? To do so, the 997 GTS prices will have to do a u-turn and start to fall from their current circa £60 - 65k plus to what, £20k in 5 years, leaving the 991 GTS at £30 - 40k.
Its all possible but I know which one I'd buy, for the looks, ownership and depreciation. I'll let you know in 5 years what the situation is if I keep it for that long!
PS - The GT4 is also a very good buy especially if bought at list.
Edited by Fokker on Monday 26th September 19:41
I agree a GtS is a good place for low depreciation but more so a manual 997.2 Gts but even a 997.2s which is considerably cheaper ( £70k vs £50k manual, low miles) is also a safe bet for low depreciation! The 991 is a different story and I can see a 991S going lower than a good 997.2S!
nick28 said:
I'd stay with the GT4. I had a similar decision to make in whether to run the GT4 through the winter. Its so much more enjoyable than my previous 991S and we still don't know when or what Porsche will replace it with. Enjoy it while its there.
As an aside - I've been looking for all weather tyres. The only N rated ones I can find for all 4 corners are P Zero N0's - only the fronts come in N1's. Has anyone fitted anything else? I don't fancy full snow tyres (i.e. Alpins)
The Pirelli P-Zero sottozero is supposed to be quite good, does that come N-rated?As an aside - I've been looking for all weather tyres. The only N rated ones I can find for all 4 corners are P Zero N0's - only the fronts come in N1's. Has anyone fitted anything else? I don't fancy full snow tyres (i.e. Alpins)
GT4P said:
I agree a GtS is a good place for low depreciation but more so a manual 997.2 Gts but even a 997.2s which is considerably cheaper ( £70k vs £50k manual, low miles) is also a safe bet for low depreciation! The 991 is a different story and I can see a 991S going lower than a good 997.2S!
Absolutely agree with what you say there...Fish said:
I love my GT4 and have debated a change to Spyder and 991 GTS but would need manual and can't find a nice one...
Either way I hope I'm getting a GT3 slot next year so will move back to that and spec manual..buckets..
Very slightly regret selling my 997.2 GT3 CS..... GT4 is more chuckable thought!
I did the move from GT4 to Spyder ( via a targa GTS ) . The Spyder has been great . Feels 95% GT4 but taking the roof off adds a whole new dimension . I've been offered a great deal on a move into a 2wd PDK GTS but must admit I'm struggling to give up the Spyder atm . Either way I hope I'm getting a GT3 slot next year so will move back to that and spec manual..buckets..
Very slightly regret selling my 997.2 GT3 CS..... GT4 is more chuckable thought!
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