Chris Harris Drives: the Porsche 718 Boxster

[nickfrog]

anonymous said:

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Nothing wrong with your views (far from it, while I can happily live with a turbo, I prefer NASP too) - it's how pretentious/superior/arrogant you sound when you express them (which you are totally oblivious to).

No doubt the persecution complex is about to rear it's predictable head.

[b2tus]

Maxym said:

Are they selling in big numbers or can Porsche only supply them in small numbers? Anything to do with getting manufacture in Stuttgart (only) up and running or shipping them elsewhere in preference to the UK?

Add to this the big drop in the value of Sterling against the Euro in the last 12 months (1.42 end/2015 against 1.12 today). This 21% drop will undoubtedly have set the Porsche accountants twitching and makes me wonder if UK allocations have been reduced whilst they persue other more profitable non UK sales.

[nickfrog]

anonymous said:

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I could say precisely the same thing about how pretentious/arrogant/superior you sound and it's a view shared by many here.

[RSVP911]

anonymous said:

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Yep I agree with this - only yesterday after a spirited blast, I had exactly the same conversation with my 7 year old daughter - tried to explain that her kids will probably never ever get to do this in any shape or form and instead, will be taxied around in driverless cars - how sad is that. She didn't really seem to care as much as I did - told me I was weird and went to play minecraft on the Xbox - kids !

[gadgit]

b2tus said:

Maxym said:

Are they selling in big numbers or can Porsche only supply them in small numbers? Anything to do with getting manufacture in Stuttgart (only) up and running or shipping them elsewhere in preference to the UK?

Add to this the big drop in the value of Sterling against the Euro in the last 12 months (1.42 end/2015 against 1.12 today). This 21% drop will undoubtedly have set the Porsche accountants twitching and makes me wonder if UK allocations have been reduced whilst they persue other more profitable non UK sales.

I know this is off topic, but the Germans are getting worried concerning all the above.
The majority of top end cars from germany to my surprise are sold to this country. Around 25 billion worth, and they don't know where else they are going to sell them to if it all goes pear shaped in a couple of years time.
Does anyone know where Porsche sell most of there cars to.
Just to get back to topic........

Don't you just love the sound of a 981.......
And contrary to what some say, you do not have to rev the nuts off it to get a nice sound. From start up it just sounds great, and then only gets better.
I'm starting to think some 718 owners need to have a hearing test.
Only joking of course.

Gadgit.

[ooid]

Are there any engineers/mechanics out there that can tell us this engine actually is a truly masterpiece in terms of performance and reliability and deserves this price tag?

[Taffy66]

anonymous said:

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Every review whether written or otherwise about the 718 have been in agreement about the loss of character,soul and noise in the transition to a F4 but also full of praise for the improved handling and esp the superior steering over the 981.However Chris Harris has controversally stated in the video above that the handling and esp the steering has taken a step backwards completely at odds with every other journalist in the world!.
What the hell do you think is different to Jeremy going to Top Gear and recently Chris Harris as well which is still light entertainment.
You clearly have an arrogant know it all superiority complex and need professional help.

[Carl_Manchester]

Sparkyhd said:

So back to the real world not inhabited by road testers or restaurant critics I completed my 5 hours feeling totally relaxed, luxuriating in my leather seats propelled by the occasional boost of the turbo.

Yes, the 'inert' 718 experience has its uses.

Once the next generation of porsche drive assist comes you can also just slap your destination into google maps and be done.

The 718 is supposed to be a poor mans Ferrari 488 Spyder like the 981 was a poor(er)mans 458 Spyder, cue happiness because it is now a motorway waft-mobile?

Ferrari did not wan't the emissions regs either but the direction they have gone in makes Porsche look like they prefer the VW diesel take on the world.

Edited by Carl_Manchester on Sunday 23 October 18:27

[TB303]

Nice to see the forum in full swing.

So was it filmed in Wales or Scotland?

[n4aat]

Great! cmoose is back.

[981Greg]

The discussions about 981 versus 982 (718) engines will seem so different when Germany stops manufacturing cars with internal combustion engines from 2030...

Lots of links, including this one...

http://www.ecowatch.com/germany-bans-combustion-en...

[Sparkyhd]

But fortunately different electric motors have individual sounds so the debate can continue ...

[ooid]

Fascinating to read what Porsche writes under engine section on both 911 & 718 now

911

"...Combined with the high rev limit – and the legendary sound of a 911 six-cylinder horizontally opposed engine. In short: excellent performance that feeds back to the driver in an instant.

718

"...The newly developed four-cylinder turbocharged engines with the customary Porsche horizontally opposed arrangement demonstrate responsibility not only for the environment, but also for the adrenaline level of the driver.

[JayK12]

ooid said:

Fascinating to read what Porsche writes under engine section on both 911 & 718 now

911

"...Combined with the high rev limit – and the legendary sound of a 911 six-cylinder horizontally opposed engine. In short: excellent performance that feeds back to the driver in an instant.

718

"...The newly developed four-cylinder turbocharged engines with the customary Porsche horizontally opposed arrangement demonstrate responsibility not only for the environment, but also for the adrenaline level of the driver.

Buy a 718 if you want work for Green peace?

[Porsche911R]

Pinball said:

You'd be looking at July 2017 earliest st OPC East London. I haven't had time to canvas all the dealerships in the world, but I'd assume Porsche have some awareness of their global sales figures hence their sales figures. Feel free to take it up with them if you disagree ??

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My local OPC has sold all the Cayman's and Boxster's it has allocated to it this year....

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=porsche+718&commit=Search

ony 8 cars in total per UK dealer registered how many of these are demos 4 per dealer so 4 cars sold per dealer so far !

OPC not having one to sell does not mean they are selling like hot cakes.

try and get a Macan Turbo, my OPC said they are only getting 3 this year !

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 24th October 09:37

[Tim bo]

Porsche911R said:

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...

ony 8 cars in total per UK dealer registered how many of these are demos 4 per dealer so 4 cars sold per dealer so far !

OPC not having one to sell does not mean they are selling like hot cakes.

try and get a Macan Turbo, my OPC said they are only getting 3 this year !

The fact that all allocations for this year have been bought and none are now available to buy means your assertion that "no one is buying 718 Caymans" is patently false.

Edited by Tim bo on Monday 24th October 10:41

[v8ksn]

If Chris H says something people agree with - He's the man!
If Chris H says something people dislike - He's a money grabbing journo out for himself!

Personally I think he is OK (even though he says every single 997 GT3 understeers and does not turn-in)

As for the new 718, its a necessary evil to make it a 4 cylinder turbo. Emissions regulations and/or tax implications are the ONLY reason it was done!

The replacement of the 6 cylinder NA engine is a step-back from an enjoyment and emotional perspective (anyone who argues otherwise is being disingenuous) Nobody can argue that the 4 cylinder turbo is more emotional or engaging than the flat 6...... easier to use? Maybe but more verve? More alacrity? More .... spirit than the flat 6? No!

[Tim bo]

v8ksn said:

The replacement of the 6 cylinder NA engine is a step-back from an enjoyment and emotional perspective (anyone who argues otherwise is being disingenuous) Nobody can argue that the 4 cylinder turbo is more emotional or engaging than the flat 6...... easier to use? Maybe but more verve? More alacrity? More .... spirit than the flat 6? No!

Enjoyment and emotional perspectives are subjective. What I enjoy or what affects my emotions are different to yours, different to John Smith's down the street, and different to every bloke down the pub.

Arguing otherwise is disingenuous? One having a different subjective point of view to yours makes them insincere or dishonest?

Edited by Tim bo on Monday 24th October 11:53

[v8ksn]

Tim bo said:

Enjoyment and emotional perspectives are subjective. What I enjoy or what affects my emotions are different to yours, different to John Smith's down the street, and different to every bloke down the pub.

Arguing otherwise is disingenuous? One having a different subjective point of view to yours makes them insincere or dishonest?

Edited by Tim bo on Monday 24th October 11:53

OK, I see your point

For me, a flat 4 turbo in the Boxster/Cayman is a massive step back. They have taken a huge part of the appeal of the platform away for me.

As a side note, I have not heard anyone (journo or forum member) who says that the flat 4 turbo is an improvement over the flat 6 from an emotional perspective.

[gadgit]

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