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wdpor said:
Hi Slippydiff, - I love the descriptive way you have communicated thoughts and feelings above regarding the driving experience of some of your earlier cars. I will cherish them going forward. Also thanks for directing us to some of the pictures of your past vehicles. Your passion for the brand shines through.
Coming back to the discussion however, we all have our opinions on what is best, what we like / dislike etc.. I have owned a 987 Cayman S, a 981 Boxster S, a 997 C2 and currently a 981 Spyder. I must admit that I have loved them all and all have had their little niggles. However. I was at Porsche the "Porsches at the Glen" event last summer and I spoke to a few owners of various Porsches from some worth at little as £5K to others worth in excess of £200K. Needless to say the Guy with the £5K car was as much of a happy enthusiast as some of the more fortunate guys with the fancy cars.The point is I don't think there is a best car as such but a best car for you the individual depending on what you can afford and how you are going to use it, we all have different tastes (by the way I would have loved to have owned some of your previous cars). Personally I have the same problem as a lot of owners, I just like the thrill of changing my car every so often and I always seem to strive for something I perceive as better. I am beginning to get an itch again and the Spyder will be going. Perhaps another 911? who knows
Coming back to the discussion however, we all have our opinions on what is best, what we like / dislike etc.. I have owned a 987 Cayman S, a 981 Boxster S, a 997 C2 and currently a 981 Spyder. I must admit that I have loved them all and all have had their little niggles. However. I was at Porsche the "Porsches at the Glen" event last summer and I spoke to a few owners of various Porsches from some worth at little as £5K to others worth in excess of £200K. Needless to say the Guy with the £5K car was as much of a happy enthusiast as some of the more fortunate guys with the fancy cars.The point is I don't think there is a best car as such but a best car for you the individual depending on what you can afford and how you are going to use it, we all have different tastes (by the way I would have loved to have owned some of your previous cars). Personally I have the same problem as a lot of owners, I just like the thrill of changing my car every so often and I always seem to strive for something I perceive as better. I am beginning to get an itch again and the Spyder will be going. Perhaps another 911? who knows
And FWIW I've never considered my opinion MORE valid than that of others, merely that it's AS valid. However when individuals proffer an opinion on Porsche ownership, apparently without the benefit of years of previous experience and/or ownership of other models from the same marque, I admit I do tend to question those opinions. Frequently it doesn't go down or indeed, end well on PH ....
With the possible exception of the tactility of the hydraulic PAS of the 987 over the electronic PAS of the 981 --- my view is that the 981 chassis is a peach --- never more so than in the GT4.
Despite the modest negative geo adjustment on the GT4 as standard, running greater negative geo on a Cayman R results (tyre for tyre) in slower cornering speeds and greater tyre shoulder wear than the 981 GT4 --- the difference being very significant.
Steering feel is also very tyre specific, and in fact Supersports on both the 987CR and the 981GT4 both result in a very similar experience, so much so that you can feel the difference in the tyre wall flex between the GT4 with Superports and PSC2's.
It's no surprise therefore that on the GT4 in the wet, the breakaway is far better telegraphed with Supersports than the make or break PSC2's.
CR is good, but for my money the GT4 is better -- if you can run to the difference.
Yes the 987CR over a 987S is undoubtedly a car that is more than the sum of it's parts. But the 981GT4 is a big step up from this.
All IMHO
Slippy, fancy a drive at the RS day ??
Despite the modest negative geo adjustment on the GT4 as standard, running greater negative geo on a Cayman R results (tyre for tyre) in slower cornering speeds and greater tyre shoulder wear than the 981 GT4 --- the difference being very significant.
Steering feel is also very tyre specific, and in fact Supersports on both the 987CR and the 981GT4 both result in a very similar experience, so much so that you can feel the difference in the tyre wall flex between the GT4 with Superports and PSC2's.
It's no surprise therefore that on the GT4 in the wet, the breakaway is far better telegraphed with Supersports than the make or break PSC2's.
CR is good, but for my money the GT4 is better -- if you can run to the difference.
Yes the 987CR over a 987S is undoubtedly a car that is more than the sum of it's parts. But the 981GT4 is a big step up from this.
All IMHO
Slippy, fancy a drive at the RS day ??
ChrisW. said:
With the possible exception of the tactility of the hydraulic PAS of the 987 over the electronic PAS of the 981 --- my view is that the 981 chassis is a peach --- never more so than in the GT4.
Despite the modest negative geo adjustment on the GT4 as standard, running greater negative geo on a Cayman R results (tyre for tyre) in slower cornering speeds and greater tyre shoulder wear than the 981 GT4 --- the difference being very significant.
Steering feel is also very tyre specific, and in fact Supersports on both the 987CR and the 981GT4 both result in a very similar experience, so much so that you can feel the difference in the tyre wall flex between the GT4 with Superports and PSC2's.
It's no surprise therefore that on the GT4 in the wet, the breakaway is far better telegraphed with Supersports than the make or break PSC2's.
CR is good, but for my money the GT4 is better -- if you can run to the difference.
Yes the 987CR over a 987S is undoubtedly a car that is more than the sum of it's parts. But the 981GT4 is a big step up from this.
All IMHO
Slippy, fancy a drive at the RS day ??
'Tis a sizeable difference though Chris, even with CR prices holding up nicely.Despite the modest negative geo adjustment on the GT4 as standard, running greater negative geo on a Cayman R results (tyre for tyre) in slower cornering speeds and greater tyre shoulder wear than the 981 GT4 --- the difference being very significant.
Steering feel is also very tyre specific, and in fact Supersports on both the 987CR and the 981GT4 both result in a very similar experience, so much so that you can feel the difference in the tyre wall flex between the GT4 with Superports and PSC2's.
It's no surprise therefore that on the GT4 in the wet, the breakaway is far better telegraphed with Supersports than the make or break PSC2's.
CR is good, but for my money the GT4 is better -- if you can run to the difference.
Yes the 987CR over a 987S is undoubtedly a car that is more than the sum of it's parts. But the 981GT4 is a big step up from this.
All IMHO
Slippy, fancy a drive at the RS day ??
It's a very, very kind offer Chris, but driving an unfamiliar car anywhere, let alone at Oulton isn't something I undertake lightly. However if you're willing to offer me a few PAX laps, I'd be very happy to sit alongside you
(I may even divulge my guilty secret) DAB964 already knows it BTW ....... 
Just like to add to something wdpor mentioned, although you might have a £200k Porsche you still appreciate the £5k Porsche! Well I haven't got a £200k Porsche but I do have a gt4 but I still look at other Porsches even the £5k ones with fondness and enthusiasm! And as for the topic my favourite p car to date was the 987 spyder although I am coupe person it had to go and the CR for me just didn't cut the mustard like the spyder hence the gt4 but if I could have afforded I would have kept alongside the gt4! But I do prefer the 987.2 in general (manual of course)over the 981 and if only Porsche had made a 3.8 987.2 gt4!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FrankCayman said:
My fav is the 981 over the 987....mainly due to the extra room in the cabin! Those 987's are pretty tight for anybody over 6ft with long legs!
How tall are you?I'm 6ft and have comparatively long legs but there's still a good bit of distance for the chair to go back with it at its lowest position. 986 was much tighter.
Patrick Bateman said:
How tall are you?
I'm 6ft and have comparatively long legs but there's still a good bit of distance for the chair to go back with it at its lowest position. 986 was much tighter.
I am 6ft 2"....and must have comparatively longer legs than you, because the seat was lowered and pulled right back and it was still a squeeze in my 987's.I'm 6ft and have comparatively long legs but there's still a good bit of distance for the chair to go back with it at its lowest position. 986 was much tighter.
Slippydiff said:
'Tis a sizeable difference though Chris, even with CR prices holding up nicely.
It's a very, very kind offer Chris, but driving an unfamiliar car anywhere, let alone at Oulton isn't something I undertake lightly. However if you're willing to offer me a few PAX laps, I'd be very happy to sit alongside you (I may even divulge my guilty secret) DAB964 already knows it BTW .......
There are no "guilty" secrets on PH ! It's a very, very kind offer Chris, but driving an unfamiliar car anywhere, let alone at Oulton isn't something I undertake lightly. However if you're willing to offer me a few PAX laps, I'd be very happy to sit alongside you
(I may even divulge my guilty secret) DAB964 already knows it BTW ....... Yes, please come for a ride ...GT4P said:
How do you tall people get on in the pre kettle 911s? as those cabins have got to be tighter than a 987!
Shouldn't be a problem - they haven't got an engine in the way. I have driven an old 911, but being vertically challenged, it wasn't a problem for me - though since there was a much taller salesman behind at the time, I can't think space would be an issue, there's plenty of internal length to play with. Old 911s were quite a bit more comfortable than a 987. The Boxster feels wider, but the old cars with Ricarro seats were the perfect solution to long distance driving.
I have sports seats but could do with more back rake. Anyone with longer legs would be sat bolt upright. I am only 6ft with 31" leg, so there must be lots of people for whom the car is too small.
I have sports seats but could do with more back rake. Anyone with longer legs would be sat bolt upright. I am only 6ft with 31" leg, so there must be lots of people for whom the car is too small.
FrankCayman said:
I've never sat in one, but I will say that my S1 Lotus Elise had more leg room than my 987's!!
My S2 Exige had more legroom than the Cayman R I had as a demo car. Only 6ft and 34" inside leg, but the backache at under 1 hour, stopped me from buying the R. No such problem with the 981.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff