So the GT4RS is coming...hopefully

So the GT4RS is coming...hopefully

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Steve Rance

5,435 posts

230 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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ChrisW. said:
I would adore one.

The CR was good.

The GT4 was even better and I have learnt so much in the trackday journey ...

A GT4RS could be just the thing with which to have a serious play with the current 991GT3RS on a bumpy circuit such as Zandvoort --- or Knock hill ?

Evolution rules ! The learning is in the journey smile
It wont be in the pace league of a 991RS but it may give a 997 GT3 Gen 2 a run for it's money. The 991 RS is 3 seconds quicker that the GT4 around silverstone national which is a short circuit. The gap will be a lot more on a longer circuit. The GT4RS will need a serious power and chassis hike to make up that deficit. I think tht it would still be a lovely car to own though.

ChrisW.

6,214 posts

254 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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The simple answer is .. I don't know.

What I would say is that a 4.0l engine would not be a silly concept.

Whilst I appreciate that going faster is the simple solution to low torque if you want to steer on the throttle, a predictable bootful of torque is a wonderful solution for those in the learning phase (actually we are all learning !!).

My 964RS had Motec at 310 ft lbs of torque. It never held me back and I learnt an awful lot ...



Edited by ChrisW. on Saturday 21st January 18:45

LaSource

2,622 posts

207 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Thanks - in that case a GT4 RS could be needed for both homologation and brand building/making money on the road. It will be an exciting prospect either way to have a road car matched to a race car

hunter 66 said:
Not in GT4 which needs to be close to the road going cars , hence need to homologate , the mid engined GT3 is in GTE the works racer category
LaSource said:
Do the latest series still require the same level of homologation there used to be in the past? My understanding (could be incorrect) was that the link to road homologation had been reduced thereby allowing manufacturers like Porsche to run somewhat different race and road cars

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Had anyone else been able to find further information on the possible up and coming gt4 rs 4.0?

Andrew911

850 posts

108 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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GT4RS said:
Had anyone else been able to find further information on the possible up and coming gt4 rs 4.0?
I did contact the sales guy I know well at my OPC & he said no official news from Porsche.

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

182 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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GT4RS said:
Had anyone else been able to find further information on the possible up and coming gt4 rs 4.0?
It's all very speculative at the moment following some throwaway comments from someone who once washed Mark Webber's dog.

If (and it's a big if) it does happen, my guess would be a powerkitted version of the current 3.8 with 430bhp - about the same as aftermarket specialists are getting from the current GT4. I can't see a 4.0, especially if the new GT3 is a 3.8.


Edited by BubblesNW on Saturday 21st January 18:08

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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i still think it is just speculation and something thrown out by porsche to generate excitement.


if the new GT3 has a new 4.0 motor and it finds its way into the 718Gt4, expect big bucks way beyond the 64k base price our Gt4s came with.

ChrisW.

6,214 posts

254 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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The very suggestion of a GT4RS is exciting ... but put it this way, I won't be selling my GT4 in anticipation ...

On the other hand ... smile

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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I think its coming - LOI in.

J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Trotmant said:
I think its coming - LOI in.
Mine went in 2 years ago 😉

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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anonymous said:
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Moose, I actually hope they build it and price it at 100k base and make it limited. The branding associated could lift all caymans. I wouldn't buy it. AT that price range (after options), I would be considering a 997.2 gt3 instead or even safe and buy 997.1 Gt3. Considerably more involving and exciting, albeit slower.

I do think that the less reliable 991.1Gt3 would take a beating since the new engine is completely different (again).

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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HokumPokum said:
Moose, I actually hope they build it and price it at 100k base and make it limited. The branding associated could lift all caymans. I wouldn't buy it. AT that price range (after options), I would be considering a 997.2 gt3 instead or even safe and buy 997.1 Gt3. Considerably more involving and exciting, albeit slower.

I do think that the less reliable 991.1Gt3 would take a beating since the new engine is completely different (again).
Got to live PH .

HP you are comparing the driving dynamics of a car that may never be built, that certainly doesn't yet exist that you haven't driven (obvs) with others and declaring it worse - I don't mean to offend ; I can tell by your choice of motors , you know your cars, but your post did make me smile - in a nice way smile

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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RSVP911 said:
HokumPokum said:
Moose, I actually hope they build it and price it at 100k base and make it limited. The branding associated could lift all caymans. I wouldn't buy it. AT that price range (after options), I would be considering a 997.2 gt3 instead or even safe and buy 997.1 Gt3. Considerably more involving and exciting, albeit slower.

I do think that the less reliable 991.1Gt3 would take a beating since the new engine is completely different (again).
Got to live PH .

HP you are comparing the driving dynamics of a car that may never be built, that certainly doesn't yet exist that you haven't driven (obvs) with others and declaring it worse - I don't mean to offend ; I can tell by your choice of motors , you know your cars, but your post did make me smile - in a nice way smile
thing is. You can so tell. from 996 Gt3 to 991 Gt3/981 Gt4, you can feel the differences and they are significant. You lose some things and gain in others. I don't even need it to exist to know it will be better objectively in every way, yet some of the famous tactility that Slippy is always on about will continue to be lost. Chassis capability/stiffness and the latest individual wheel pasm units will allow these cars to be incredibly agile and quick. The car i love best to drive is my CSL and that was made in 2003...

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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HokumPokum said:
thing is. You can so tell. from 996 Gt3 to 991 Gt3/981 Gt4, you can feel the differences and they are significant. You lose some things and gain in others. I don't even need it to exist to know it will be better objectively in every way, yet some of the famous tactility that Slippy is always on about will continue to be lost. Chassis capability/stiffness and the latest individual wheel pasm units will allow these cars to be incredibly agile and quick. The car i love best to drive is my CSL and that was made in 2003...
Can't argue with that - never driven a CSL , but if you prefer it to a 997.2 RS then hats off to it smile

88racing

1,748 posts

155 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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LaSource said:
Do the latest series still require the same level of homologation there used to be in the past? My understanding (could be incorrect) was that the link to road homologation had been reduced thereby allowing manufacturers like Porsche to run somewhat different race and road cars
Who can tell? The regulations appear to have gone out of the window. We're now seeing more centre lock wheels appearing in GT4 - a category as you say is supposed to represent race cars based heavily on road cars. Are Cayman GT4 Cup, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Ginetta G55, etc. owners now going to have to shell out yet more money to cut pitstop times?

How are Porsche going to make a Cayman GT4RS anyway? Did they keep a load of shells back from when they stopped making the 981?

J-P

4,350 posts

205 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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88racing said:
LaSource said:
Do the latest series still require the same level of homologation there used to be in the past? My understanding (could be incorrect) was that the link to road homologation had been reduced thereby allowing manufacturers like Porsche to run somewhat different race and road cars
Who can tell? The regulations appear to have gone out of the window. We're now seeing more centre lock wheels appearing in GT4 - a category as you say is supposed to represent race cars based heavily on road cars. Are Cayman GT4 Cup, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Ginetta G55, etc. owners now going to have to shell out yet more money to cut pitstop times?

How are Porsche going to make a Cayman GT4RS anyway? Did they keep a load of shells back from when they stopped making the 981?
...erm they'll start with a 718 Cayman?

Mintbird

557 posts

100 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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ChrisW. said:
The simple answer is .. I don't know.



My 964RS had Motec at 310 ft lbs of torque. It never held me back and I learnt an awful lot ...



Edited by ChrisW. on Saturday 21st January 18:45
let me guess, Ninemeister dyno.. roflrofl

Slippydiff

14,744 posts

222 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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HokumPokum said:
thing is. You can so tell. from 996 Gt3 to 991 Gt3/981 Gt4, you can feel the differences and they are significant. You lose some things and gain in others. I don't even need it to exist to know it will be better objectively in every way, yet some of the famous tactility that Slippy is always on about will continue to be lost. Chassis capability/stiffness and the latest individual wheel pasm units will allow these cars to be incredibly agile and quick. The car i love best to drive is my CSL and that was made in 2003...
The gearbox is hopeless, the steering lacking in feel, the brakes made out of chocolate and the engine hopeless when compared to the V8 that replaced it (oh, and and it was too expensive)
















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clearly the views of the numerous individuals who never owned one (or took the time to learn/understand them if they did)










spareparts

6,777 posts

226 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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J-P said:
Trotmant said:
I think its coming - LOI in.
Mine went in 2 years ago ??
I don't think LOI's make any difference anymore. OPCs know who their 'good' customers are and would be willing to place their special cars with. If it's like Ferrari and their placement of Speciale's TDF's LaFs etc, it will come down to how many brand new cars you have bought in the past, not a typed letter that demonstrates no commitment.

bcr5784

7,103 posts

144 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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88racing said:
Who can tell? The regulations appear to have gone out of the window. We're now seeing more centre lock wheels appearing in GT4 - a category as you say is supposed to represent race cars based heavily on road cars. Are Cayman GT4 Cup, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Ginetta G55, etc. owners now going to have to shell out yet more money to cut pitstop times?

How are Porsche going to make a Cayman GT4RS anyway? Did they keep a load of shells back from when they stopped making the 981?
Isn't the minimum time a pit stop takes specified in the rules - it is in many series for safety reasons? Makes (or should make) centre lock wheels redundant.