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So i'm looking at a manual GTS.. this is its history:
17k miles in - new clutch
5k miles in - new rear tyres
It's obviously been on the track, or ragged around.
So i'd be buying a GTS with a new clutch. The dealer (not OPC)'s given me the usual "82 point inspection" bullcrap BUT they are a reputable dealer.
What should I look for on this car when I test drive it? I've read about bore scoring.. if this has been ragged.. what needs inspecting?
I've requested that the dealer send me an ECU readout, including rev limiter data.
17k miles in - new clutch
5k miles in - new rear tyres
It's obviously been on the track, or ragged around.
So i'd be buying a GTS with a new clutch. The dealer (not OPC)'s given me the usual "82 point inspection" bullcrap BUT they are a reputable dealer.
What should I look for on this car when I test drive it? I've read about bore scoring.. if this has been ragged.. what needs inspecting?
I've requested that the dealer send me an ECU readout, including rev limiter data.
My GTS; I had the car since 1500 miles, rears where changed at just under circa 10000 miles, fronts still have 3mm on them, road use only.
As R said, the fronts would get hammered and would need changing earlier. I have a manual, don't launch it from the lights and there is no city driving, and I'd not expect to change it for a long time, on nearly 12K miles.
The car your talking about, a friend also enquired about but has decided not to go for it.
My wife recently viewed a Porsche with 15K miles on the clock, tyres, brakes all changed, none OPC, viewed and tell tell signs of abuse, service was also 6 months late. The spec' was everything she wanted, and the price right, but we walked away. She purchased a 15K miler from OPC which was immaculate compared and hadn't had as many owners or as much parts changed under maintenance.
If a car doesn't give you the right feeling, its usually best to walk away. The BGTS market is dry at the moment but worth waiting around for the right one. I know on Porsche owners UK FB group someone was selling a Red BGTS Manual with 8K miles on the clock circa 50K i think. Worth a nose.
As R said, the fronts would get hammered and would need changing earlier. I have a manual, don't launch it from the lights and there is no city driving, and I'd not expect to change it for a long time, on nearly 12K miles.
The car your talking about, a friend also enquired about but has decided not to go for it.
My wife recently viewed a Porsche with 15K miles on the clock, tyres, brakes all changed, none OPC, viewed and tell tell signs of abuse, service was also 6 months late. The spec' was everything she wanted, and the price right, but we walked away. She purchased a 15K miler from OPC which was immaculate compared and hadn't had as many owners or as much parts changed under maintenance.
If a car doesn't give you the right feeling, its usually best to walk away. The BGTS market is dry at the moment but worth waiting around for the right one. I know on Porsche owners UK FB group someone was selling a Red BGTS Manual with 8K miles on the clock circa 50K i think. Worth a nose.
JayK12 said:
My GTS; I had the car since 1500 miles, rears where changed at just under circa 10000 miles, fronts still have 3mm on them, road use only.
As R said, the fronts would get hammered and would need changing earlier. I have a manual, don't launch it from the lights and there is no city driving, and I'd not expect to change it for a long time, on nearly 12K miles.
The car your talking about, a friend also enquired about but has decided not to go for it.
My wife recently viewed a Porsche with 15K miles on the clock, tyres, brakes all changed, none OPC, viewed and tell tell signs of abuse, service was also 6 months late. The spec' was everything she wanted, and the price right, but we walked away. She purchased a 15K miler from OPC which was immaculate compared and hadn't had as many owners or as much parts changed under maintenance.
If a car doesn't give you the right feeling, its usually best to walk away. The BGTS market is dry at the moment but worth waiting around for the right one. I know on Porsche owners UK FB group someone was selling a Red BGTS Manual with 8K miles on the clock circa 50K i think. Worth a nose.
Thanks for the heads up. Your friend that decided not to go for it, any idea why? As R said, the fronts would get hammered and would need changing earlier. I have a manual, don't launch it from the lights and there is no city driving, and I'd not expect to change it for a long time, on nearly 12K miles.
The car your talking about, a friend also enquired about but has decided not to go for it.
My wife recently viewed a Porsche with 15K miles on the clock, tyres, brakes all changed, none OPC, viewed and tell tell signs of abuse, service was also 6 months late. The spec' was everything she wanted, and the price right, but we walked away. She purchased a 15K miler from OPC which was immaculate compared and hadn't had as many owners or as much parts changed under maintenance.
If a car doesn't give you the right feeling, its usually best to walk away. The BGTS market is dry at the moment but worth waiting around for the right one. I know on Porsche owners UK FB group someone was selling a Red BGTS Manual with 8K miles on the clock circa 50K i think. Worth a nose.
Our own car is 4 years old come March and has covered 18k miles. Never tracked and driven “with respect”. Rear tyres changed at 13k miles, still on the original fronts.
Unless you want to risk expensive shocks well worth getting a car with full OPC history and if it doesn’t come with a Porsche warranty then take one out. Not cheap admittedly but every time it has saved me money. With the GTS you get as standard Sports Chrono and that includes PADM - Porsche Active Drivetrain Mounts. My second one failed yesterday and they cost around £1,100 to replace. Earlier this year I had the air con condenser fail and that would have been another £800. Almost anything failing on these cars is more expensive than the annual warranty cost!
Buy a car from an OPC and you get two years warrsnty thrown in.....
Unless you want to risk expensive shocks well worth getting a car with full OPC history and if it doesn’t come with a Porsche warranty then take one out. Not cheap admittedly but every time it has saved me money. With the GTS you get as standard Sports Chrono and that includes PADM - Porsche Active Drivetrain Mounts. My second one failed yesterday and they cost around £1,100 to replace. Earlier this year I had the air con condenser fail and that would have been another £800. Almost anything failing on these cars is more expensive than the annual warranty cost!
Buy a car from an OPC and you get two years warrsnty thrown in.....
dreamcar said:
Our own car is 4 years old come March and has covered 18k miles. Never tracked and driven “with respect”. Rear tyres changed at 13k miles, still on the original fronts.
Unless you want to risk expensive shocks well worth getting a car with full OPC history and if it doesn’t come with a Porsche warranty then take one out. Not cheap admittedly but every time it has saved me money. With the GTS you get as standard Sports Chrono and that includes PADM - Porsche Active Drivetrain Mounts. My second one failed yesterday and they cost around £1,100 to replace. Earlier this year I had the air con condenser fail and that would have been another £800. Almost anything failing on these cars is more expensive than the annual warranty cost!
Buy a car from an OPC and you get two years warrsnty thrown in.....
So the car was serviced at OPC only 2000 miles ago. This included a brand new clutch and full health check. Based on this I think it will be okay. I'm going to get them to throw in a warranty too. As far as i can see it covers everything and is half the price of Porsches warranty. Unless you want to risk expensive shocks well worth getting a car with full OPC history and if it doesn’t come with a Porsche warranty then take one out. Not cheap admittedly but every time it has saved me money. With the GTS you get as standard Sports Chrono and that includes PADM - Porsche Active Drivetrain Mounts. My second one failed yesterday and they cost around £1,100 to replace. Earlier this year I had the air con condenser fail and that would have been another £800. Almost anything failing on these cars is more expensive than the annual warranty cost!
Buy a car from an OPC and you get two years warrsnty thrown in.....
Thats so true about the warranty.. definitley worth getting one.. thanks bud
Edited by Crispystork on Thursday 29th November 12:53
Crispystork said:
I'm going to get them to throw in a warranty too. As far as i can see it covers everything and is half the price of Porsches warranty.
tread carefully - any limits? any hourly rate restrictions?would much rather they pay for 111 inspection and refund you 50% of the cost of proper OPC warranty
Adam B said:
tread carefully - any limits? any hourly rate restrictions?
would much rather they pay for 111 inspection and refund you 50% of the cost of proper OPC warranty
So the warranty covers unlimited claims up to £5k, £75 per hour labour. Covers everything apart from usual wear and tear swould much rather they pay for 111 inspection and refund you 50% of the cost of proper OPC warranty
t. They've thrown in 1 year into the deal for free, if i pay £950 i get another 2 years.
Crispystork said:
So the warranty covers unlimited claims up to £5k, £75 per hour labour. Covers everything apart from usual wear and tear st.
They've thrown in 1 year into the deal for free, if i pay £950 i get another 2 years.
I must admit I’d fork out and go for the Porsche warranty - it’s very comprehensive ( even xenon headlight bulbs) and covers work at an OPC - where you will find the labour rate is around £190 per hour! Also I don’t believe there is a financial limit on number of claims or claim costs either. So you could be significantly out of pocket if you have repairs carried out by Porsche if the cheaper warranty only covers labour at £75 per hour. t. They've thrown in 1 year into the deal for free, if i pay £950 i get another 2 years.
Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 29th November 14:40
To be honest not much goes wrong with them. I hate paying for warranty and insurances just for piece of mind, shes like thats the world we live in now. After my 3 year new car warranty expired i did not renew, now time will tell if it will cost me. I spoke OPC, specialists and got a feel for common problems and major problems if any. Thing with a car your buying after 18K miles you don't know hows its been driven, maintained, and generally looked after so I would say a warranty is worth it in this case. Porsche warranty is fairly priced imo.
On third party warranties just check what the max single claim you can make, or see if you can get a Porsche Warranty.
On third party warranties just check what the max single claim you can make, or see if you can get a Porsche Warranty.
JayK12 said:
To be honest not much goes wrong with them.
I wouldn't pay for extended warranty myself. Car is now over 6 years old and nothing, nothing at all has gone wrong with it. Saving £500 a year by not buying warranty soon builds up a substantial "repairs fund" in the pot on your mantelpiece. Add to that the £hundreds you can save every year by not buying warranty on fridge, TV, dishwasher, washing machine etc and your "repairs fund" might be growing at £1,000 a year.rockin said:
JayK12 said:
To be honest not much goes wrong with them.
I wouldn't pay for extended warranty myself. Car is now over 6 years old and nothing, nothing at all has gone wrong with it. Saving £500 a year by not buying warranty soon builds up a substantial "repairs fund" in the pot on your mantelpiece. Add to that the £hundreds you can save every year by not buying warranty on fridge, TV, dishwasher, washing machine etc and your "repairs fund" might be growing at £1,000 a year.rockin said:
JayK12 said:
To be honest not much goes wrong with them.
I wouldn't pay for extended warranty myself. Car is now over 6 years old and nothing, nothing at all has gone wrong with it. Saving £500 a year by not buying warranty soon builds up a substantial "repairs fund" in the pot on your mantelpiece. Add to that the £hundreds you can save every year by not buying warranty on fridge, TV, dishwasher, washing machine etc and your "repairs fund" might be growing at £1,000 a year.Adam B said:
tread carefully - any limits? any hourly rate restrictions?
would much rather they pay for 111 inspection and refund you 50% of the cost of proper OPC warranty
Agreed - the 111 point check will uncover if the engine's been abused. OPC warranty all the way.would much rather they pay for 111 inspection and refund you 50% of the cost of proper OPC warranty
The cost of my OPC warranty has more than been covered. Had the engine mounts (PADM) fail during a spirited drive in Sports Plus mode.
Fixed at Porsche no problem.
OP HERE. So to settle this discussion once and for all, I have good reason to believe that it hasn't been thrashed. The reason for the clutch going so early was because the fella who owned it before had a disability (i wont mention what as he might browse these forums) and therefore was very heavy footed (and burnt it out). Obviously the dealer wasn't supposed to tell me but I think he felt he had to as every other buyer has asked him about the clutch. Of course he could be making it up but it makes sense. The dealer has a really good reputation and doesn't sell cars cheaper than 40k.
The new clutch was done by OPC at a cost of 3k, in addition to a health check and service, only 200 miles prior to me buying it. They surely would've picked up on something there. I have the health report to prove it.
The warranty i'm getting with the car covered claims up to 2k, till i raised the point that Porsche repairs aren't cheap, and he bumped it up to 5k.
So all in all, i think i got a good deal and i'll be sure to post pics when i collect it
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The new clutch was done by OPC at a cost of 3k, in addition to a health check and service, only 200 miles prior to me buying it. They surely would've picked up on something there. I have the health report to prove it.
The warranty i'm getting with the car covered claims up to 2k, till i raised the point that Porsche repairs aren't cheap, and he bumped it up to 5k.
So all in all, i think i got a good deal and i'll be sure to post pics when i collect it
.Edited by Crispystork on Friday 30th November 07:46
Crispystork said:
OP HERE. So to settle this discussion once and for all, I have good reason to believe that it hasn't been thrashed. The reason for the clutch going so early was because the fella who owned it before had a disability (i wont mention what as he might browse these forums) and therefore was very heavy footed (and burnt it out). Obviously the dealer wasn't supposed to tell me but I think he felt he had to as every other buyer has asked him about the clutch. Of course he could be making it up but it makes sense. The dealer has a really good reputation and doesn't sell cars cheaper than 40k.
The new clutch was done by OPC at a cost of 3k, in addition to a health check and service, only 200 miles prior to me buying it. They surely would've picked up on something there. I have the health report to prove it.
The warranty i'm getting with the car covered claims up to 2k, till i raised the point that Porsche repairs aren't cheap, and he bumped it up to 5k.
So all in all, i think i got a good deal and i'll be sure to post pics when i collect it.
Sounds good mate, get some pictures up and enjoy what is a great car!The new clutch was done by OPC at a cost of 3k, in addition to a health check and service, only 200 miles prior to me buying it. They surely would've picked up on something there. I have the health report to prove it.
The warranty i'm getting with the car covered claims up to 2k, till i raised the point that Porsche repairs aren't cheap, and he bumped it up to 5k.
So all in all, i think i got a good deal and i'll be sure to post pics when i collect it
.Edited by Crispystork on Friday 30th November 07:46
Crispystork said:
So the warranty covers unlimited claims up to £5k, £75 per hour labour. Covers everything apart from usual wear and tear st.
They've thrown in 1 year into the deal for free, if i pay £950 i get another 2 years.
Sounds like its too late now, that limit will cover pretty much anything bar engine going pop, but £75 won't cover any OPC doing the work - which would put me off on a newish car (my 2008 997 turbo never saw an OPC as I preferred 9E and RGA)t. They've thrown in 1 year into the deal for free, if i pay £950 i get another 2 years.
Crispystork said:
The new clutch was done by OPC at a cost of 3k, in addition to a health check and service, only 200 miles prior to me buying it. They surely would've picked up on something there. I have the health report to prove it.
which would be useful if you had an OPC warranty, not worth much otherwise in the event of a claim (but of course gives some piece of mind)sorry not trying to piss on your chips and I am sure car will be fine, lovely choice, post some pics
Edited by Adam B on Friday 30th November 09:34
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