968 - what a great car!
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M030 for either car was extremely similar and equally harsh. the 968 offering was developed a little, had larger ARBs and helper springs on the rear dampers, but it wasn't significantly different in either specification or ride.
I believed that it was actually less harsh in the 968, but now think that this is because I moved from a used 951 to a new 968 (both with M030), and that the 944s suspension was simply getting a little tired and crashy as a result.
I believed that it was actually less harsh in the 968, but now think that this is because I moved from a used 951 to a new 968 (both with M030), and that the 944s suspension was simply getting a little tired and crashy as a result.
I have to disagree with your comments about numbers built/sold and why they came into being too.
Porsche needed a cheaper car. The 968 was far too expensive and it wasn't selling well. The Club Sport was introduced as a (far) cheaper entry level car. From memory it cost about £30,000, which was 3/4 of the cost of a full fat 968 Lux.
Porsche built all that they could sell. The model wasn't limited in its production run, other than by sales.
It wasn't a 'proper' club sport model either, in that it didn't have any special parts or panels. Porsche was struggling to such a degree that they couldn't even come up with non-sunroof bodyshells. They had about 175 of them from memory, and every other CS had to use a standard BIW. Lighter panels or thinner glass were completely out of the question.
This is my recollection from being there at the time, being involved, being interested and buying one.
Porsche needed a cheaper car. The 968 was far too expensive and it wasn't selling well. The Club Sport was introduced as a (far) cheaper entry level car. From memory it cost about £30,000, which was 3/4 of the cost of a full fat 968 Lux.
Porsche built all that they could sell. The model wasn't limited in its production run, other than by sales.
It wasn't a 'proper' club sport model either, in that it didn't have any special parts or panels. Porsche was struggling to such a degree that they couldn't even come up with non-sunroof bodyshells. They had about 175 of them from memory, and every other CS had to use a standard BIW. Lighter panels or thinner glass were completely out of the question.
This is my recollection from being there at the time, being involved, being interested and buying one.
The 968 CS was a Porsche classed as a CS, CS on the log book as well. Love it of loathe it, call it not a 'Proper' CS, its still a real Porsche model. It aint a LUX or a Sport, its a CS. It was classed (I believe) as the best handling road car of 1994. It will always be a little more special that a 968, 944, 924 (Less the GT) as it was a limited sold model, not limited edition, just less sold. These days least sold (with a moniker) = rarer, more valuable, that's modern classic car life.
It doesn't matter if it was of little difference to a Sport or whatever. ...... It's a CS, and comparing to a 3.2CS is silly. Yes it has no real difference to a standard model, yes it doesn't have the blueprinted engine of the 3.2 CS, but at the end of the day it still shred 50% more weight off the standard car than the 3.2CS managed.
The fast majority of people who keep ranting negatively about the CS are the ones who were so pompous because they didn't rate it or couldn't understand it for the great car it is over the original model.
All the s
te out there about it aint a 'real' CS unless it lacks a sunroof and has the M030 suspension, yada yada is bks. For a start a 73 RS could be speeced with a sunroof, a 964 RS could be specced with a sunroof, so why should the stripped down cheaper from standard model 968CS not have one? Finally the M030 suspension on the CS was a right PITA literally and is and always has been seen as a negative for actually driving on the road compared to the standard setup, so why is that a problem.
I've owned one, I mourned at its passing to a new owner, I still rate it as one of the finest cars I've owned vs cost of purchase. Its not the car that now dictates its value, but purchasers that inflate its price for whatever reason. Its sad there are those out there that still try to run down a generally great driving car.
It doesn't matter if it was of little difference to a Sport or whatever. ...... It's a CS, and comparing to a 3.2CS is silly. Yes it has no real difference to a standard model, yes it doesn't have the blueprinted engine of the 3.2 CS, but at the end of the day it still shred 50% more weight off the standard car than the 3.2CS managed.
The fast majority of people who keep ranting negatively about the CS are the ones who were so pompous because they didn't rate it or couldn't understand it for the great car it is over the original model.
All the s
te out there about it aint a 'real' CS unless it lacks a sunroof and has the M030 suspension, yada yada is bks. For a start a 73 RS could be speeced with a sunroof, a 964 RS could be specced with a sunroof, so why should the stripped down cheaper from standard model 968CS not have one? Finally the M030 suspension on the CS was a right PITA literally and is and always has been seen as a negative for actually driving on the road compared to the standard setup, so why is that a problem.I've owned one, I mourned at its passing to a new owner, I still rate it as one of the finest cars I've owned vs cost of purchase. Its not the car that now dictates its value, but purchasers that inflate its price for whatever reason. Its sad there are those out there that still try to run down a generally great driving car.
Edited by Wozy68 on Saturday 6th December 18:05
I think possibly both posts could be correct in their own way ??
Whichever way you look at it, it's a great driving Porsche, limited in RHD supply, and has CS on the boot.
This is all some people need to know, or indeed are interested in.
I would agree the M030 suspension is too harsh for many UK roads, great on a nice track though.
Whichever way you look at it, it's a great driving Porsche, limited in RHD supply, and has CS on the boot.
This is all some people need to know, or indeed are interested in.
I would agree the M030 suspension is too harsh for many UK roads, great on a nice track though.
GC8 said:
First: Im not wrong.
As ever: factually correct, but also thoroughly missing the point. The reasons why Porsche chose to launch the CS are not relevant today. In the 20 years hence, the market has judged the CS the most desirable model and that's what matters.blade7 said:
if a poster comes out with some one-upmanship type BS there's no reason for everyone to nod in agreement. When those same posters resort to swearing or personal insults because someone dares to question their "investment" it suggests to me they've lost the plot.
I think we all know who the king[s] of one-upmanship BS is in these parts 
It would truly be a wonderful thing if there could be a 968 conversation on this forum without this boring negativity. Sadly I have no doubt that you will continue to march in your crusade of two to disabuse the rest of us of our ignorance.
plenty said:
GC8 said:
First: Im not wrong.
As ever: factually correct, but also thoroughly missing the point. The reasons why Porsche chose to launch the CS are not relevant today. In the 20 years hence, the market has judged the CS the most desirable model and that's what matters.
I don't think that I am missing the point, but that may not come across very well. I love the 968 and the Club Sport particularly and I hope that this always comes through in my posts.
I do have an issue with come-lately fanboi-ism though and particularly with the gushing inaccuracies and made-up facts which tend to accompany it.
blade7 said:
shoestring7 said:
My Maritime Blue 968 CS with a/c. With freshened suspension, Konis and big black brakes it was a superb road car. I say 'was' as the next owner turned it into a track slag 
SS7
Good for him.SS7
SS7
I think you are missing the point. There is no such thing as a 'nice' track car, any car which gets used hard and often on track will become a track slag. Having built a 944 S2 race car from the ground up and raced it I know from personal experience 1) how much money gets burned and its truely colossal, ISTR into mid £20Ks on mine now 2) how hard the life of these cars is.
blade7 said:
And you are missing my GT3 point, relative to what someone can afford to throw away if it goes wrong. £20k to some people is peanuts so why wouldn't they track a 968 CS if they bought into the myth it was better than a Sport ?
The colours were better.Edited by blade7 on Sunday 7th December 20:05
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PS And so were the seats. And the boot release is cool.
Edited by shoestring7 on Sunday 7th December 22:57
blade7 said:
And you are missing my GT3 point, relative to what someone can afford to throw away if it goes wrong. £20k to some people is peanuts so why wouldn't they track a 968 CS if they bought into the myth it was better than a Sport ?
£15K or so buys a fresh 968 race car which would have had double that spent on it and will spank any 968 road car by such a large margin its not even funny. Still think its a good idea to turn a fresh CS into a track slag?Edited by blade7 on Sunday 7th December 20:05
Is Speed Yellow popular now? I never liked it: then or now, and it looks doubly bad if the wheels were painted to match. Its subjective, of course and I think that my Cup1s wouldve looked equally gash had they been painted Maritime Blue.
Colour matching only really suits the later cars which had Cup2s, and even then; only on some colours.
Colour matching only really suits the later cars which had Cup2s, and even then; only on some colours.
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