RSRing a 944

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Talkwrench

909 posts

233 months

Friday 10th July 2015
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jsb said:
brake later........
+1

I was there and witnessed the whole debacle. Definitely brake later and tidy up the lines in one or two places.

benjj

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6,787 posts

163 months

Friday 10th July 2015
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Debacle? You cheeky bast... wink

Bet I get down I to the 60s on the next run out.

Talkwrench

909 posts

233 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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oh, I'm sure you will.
I'll bring a trailer... you know... just in case smile

benjj

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163 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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Oh so now you've got a trailer!

Talkwrench

909 posts

233 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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No, but I'm sure I can source one for emergencies..... smile
I like to do things with style. How about one of these. What do you reckon?



gothatway

5,783 posts

170 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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GC8 said:
I take it that you received my rather late email Bernard?
Yes thanks, Simon - then discovered that Haydn is a member of the same motor club as me !

whythem

773 posts

177 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Hi all, sadly due to MOT failure I am currently breaking my 1986 924S. PM me if there is anything you want. (Mods, bin this if it breaks any rules, and apologies in advancesmile

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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In light of recent price increases, I think that breaking any 944 is a folly.

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I think other than for a very few select cars the price rise has been over estimated.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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£500 to £2,000 is a 400% rise.

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Could you make 400% on your car Simon ?

whythem

773 posts

177 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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Unfortunately, although mechanically spot on, the exterior and interior was quite tatty, but the killer was rot to inner, outer sills, and floor pan. So decided to break it and help other cars to live onsmile

benjj

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6,787 posts

163 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Had an excellent day at Harewood hillclimb yesterday. Sadly the rain came (and came and came) after the 2 practice runs but I managed to get a quick and dirty dry ish timed run in too.

The car performed magnificently. Compared to some of the cars that are specifically setup for hillclimbing it held its own with aplomb.

A few pics:






andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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Just for clarity, is this the sort of thing you generally do with the 944: http://www.historicroadrally.co.uk ?

I don't know much about it but on the face of it a 924 could be a cheap way in to the pre 1981 class or a 944 in to pre 1986.

Any idea what sort of prep is required?

iguana

7,041 posts

260 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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GC8 said:
I might take you up I'm that offer Alex, if Ben doesn't clean you out. I might even fit them on a 944 Turbo! Ed H. will approve, but I doubt that anyone else will get it... biggrin
Never heard back from Ben, yours if you want a set, or 3 wink

benjj

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Tuesday 11th August 2015
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Argh, I replied but was just after we'd had tech issues at the office so obviously didn't arrive. Will do so again now. I wasn't going to snaffle them all though Simon wink

Edited by benjj on Tuesday 11th August 08:53

benjj

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Tuesday 11th August 2015
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andy97 said:
Just for clarity, is this the sort of thing you generally do with the 944: http://www.historicroadrally.co.uk ?

I don't know much about it but on the face of it a 924 could be a cheap way in to the pre 1981 class or a 944 in to pre 1986.

Any idea what sort of prep is required?
Andy, yes, sometimes. I've done a few from that list. The 944 is set up for slightly more aggressive stuff though, more like Tour Brit for track/tarmac and LeJog for endurance/rough stuff.

Will write up the ideal prep for a 92/44 later when in the office.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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benjj said:
andy97 said:
Just for clarity, is this the sort of thing you generally do with the 944: http://www.historicroadrally.co.uk ?

I don't know much about it but on the face of it a 924 could be a cheap way in to the pre 1981 class or a 944 in to pre 1986.

Any idea what sort of prep is required?
Andy, yes, sometimes. I've done a few from that list. The 944 is set up for slightly more aggressive stuff though, more like Tour Brit for track/tarmac and LeJog for endurance/rough stuff.

Will write up the ideal prep for a 92/44 later when in the office.
Excellent, that would be of great interest, thanks.

benjj

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6,787 posts

163 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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Prep for both 924 and 944 is pretty simple for that kind of rallying above. They're fundamentally very strong little cars. Also, counter intuitively (and I have this from Porsche) the sunroof models are stronger still due to bracing in the A/B/C pillars.

Ride height and damping is the first to address. Bilstein B6 offer the best off-the-shelf option as they're built so well. I killed a full set of Koni yellows in 2 days a few years back. The Billies are in a different league.

Brakes - lots of MSA rules here but the bottom line is you have to keep discs of the same diameter and type and the same for calipers. For us that means we can use vented discs as they were standard equipment but need to keep the single pot steel calipers. Pads are open. Spend time and money on the braking system - good discs/pads and full caliper rebuilds often (kits available pretty cheaply). Also consider upgrading the lines to BF Goodrich braided stuff and regular fluid changes. I use decent racing blue fluid and have never had any real complaints from the braking system.

Underbody - you'll want to reverse all the exhaust hangers so nothing sticks down and also consider some underfloor plating. The sump sits quite low, the starter is exposed, the gearbox (at the back, obv) can take whacks etc.

Interior - You can take some liberties with the Blue Book here, I have. Mine is stripped back to bare metal. I have velcroed mats into the front footwells and cut down the back seat squab (1.2kg) that lies across the back seats. MSA says if you have back seats they need to remain and I've never had any complaints on my setup. You can go as mad as you want with door skins etc. For the rallying in your link above a cage is not optional and neither are harnesses. I'd never fancy that in a quick car though so I have a half cage (about to be replaced with full FIA cage) and proper seats bolted through the floorpan on alu fillets, plus 4 point belts.

Engine - not a lot you can do here apart from make it work to the best of its ability. You can't go changing the fuelling, DME/map, adding throttle cams etc - needs to be as originally as manufactured. You can use later engines as long as they're exactly the same type as was fitted (as in any 2.5 8v engine is fine). Old fashioned tuning to the head, manifold, exhaust etc is all fine.

iguana

7,041 posts

260 months

Tuesday 11th August 2015
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Ben, still nowt.