UK 951 Race Cars - Where are they?
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andy97 said:
First race of the season for me on 18 March at Donington Park in the Armed Forces Race Challenge series. 40 mins on the GP circuit.
An interesting day out on Saturday for the first time out in the car since last October.Practice was hideous in heavy rain and so I was delighted to survive and qualify 23 out of 37. I used Uniroyal Rainsport tyres which worked really well and no moments.
If was convinced the bad weather was in for the day and so left the car on the Rainsports. Typically it dried out despite the clouds looking like thunder! Many people changed to Toyo 888s or Yoko A048s and they were right!
After a few laps my tyres were like jelly and I actually thought something had broken in the rear suspension but resolved to carry on. No real pace in the corners but the car is quick in a straight line. Had a good dice with some MX5 MK3, a Clio and a pug 306 but ultimately couldn't stay with them. I did catch a BMW mini towards the end but outbraked myself on the very last corner of the race and let 3 cars by for position. I finished 20th and should have been 17th!
Strangely this Armed Forces Race Challenge series has some form of weird Index of Performance handicap system and I seem to have finished 7th overall on that!!!! No idea how that works but I suspect GCHQ must have developed the algorithms that enable that to be worked out.
A good day in very challenging conditions.
Oh, and the Armed Forces series committee do know how to organise an event - good paddock presentation, hospitality area, great prizes (Red Bull F1 brake disc clocks!) and lunch provided.
Edited by andy97 on Tuesday 21st March 21:01
No worries. Unfortunately I won't make Silverstone as I'm getting married that weekend (!?), was painful seeing that one appear on the calendar! Not often a club gets to use the proper circuit... Considered moving the wedding to Silverstone, but was politely informed there wouldn't be a wedding if I tried this 
https://www.racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/9244...
Crikey.
Got history but surely no way it is worth that. My memory is that they were standard 220bhp mechanicals.
Crikey.
Got history but surely no way it is worth that. My memory is that they were standard 220bhp mechanicals.
andy97 said:
https://www.racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/9244...
Crikey.
Got history but surely no way it is worth that. My memory is that they were standard 220bhp mechanicals.
Wrong...Crikey.
Got history but surely no way it is worth that. My memory is that they were standard 220bhp mechanicals.
It has the stronger - forged - 220bhp engine as a basis, but it has the K26/8 Turbo and also different chips in the Motronic/KLR. It also has the stronger gearbox with external oil cooler/LSD. Also unique magnesium teledial alloys and a few other factory mods. Unique Bilstein 944 Cup coilovers, different ARBs, and a few other choice mods.
Most important- it has period competition history, 9:58 for a full Nordschleife + GP Strecke is fast even by today’s standards. Last but not least it is eligible for a ton of other historic events. Don’t forget - this is the first ever one make series launched by Porsche, thus would always have a special place in the garage of Porsche collectors. Don’t look at the car just as a sum of its parts...
Cheburator mk2 said:
andy97 said:
https://www.racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/9244...
Crikey.
Got history but surely no way it is worth that. My memory is that they were standard 220bhp mechanicals.
Wrong...Crikey.
Got history but surely no way it is worth that. My memory is that they were standard 220bhp mechanicals.
It has the stronger - forged - 220bhp engine as a basis, but it has the K26/8 Turbo and also different chips in the Motronic/KLR. It also has the stronger gearbox with external oil cooler/LSD. Also unique magnesium teledial alloys and a few other factory mods. Unique Bilstein 944 Cup coilovers, different ARBs, and a few other choice mods.
Most important- it has period competition history, 9:58 for a full Nordschleife + GP Strecke is fast even by today’s standards. Last but not least it is eligible for a ton of other historic events. Don’t forget - this is the first ever one make series launched by Porsche, thus would always have a special place in the garage of Porsche collectors. Don’t look at the car just as a sum of its parts...
Cheburator mk2 said:
Wrong...
It has the stronger - forged - 220bhp engine as a basis, but it has the K26/8 Turbo and also different chips in the Motronic/KLR. It also has the stronger gearbox with external oil cooler/LSD.
There's plenty of internet hearsay about 220 bhp engines, sure some very early blocks were cast thicker, and forged rods were used, but the Turbo S made do without and didn't break blocks or rods. The uprated gearbox was fitted to all 250 bhp cars too.It has the stronger - forged - 220bhp engine as a basis, but it has the K26/8 Turbo and also different chips in the Motronic/KLR. It also has the stronger gearbox with external oil cooler/LSD.
blade7 said:
There's plenty of internet hearsay about 220 bhp engines, sure some very early blocks were cast thicker, and forged rods were used, but the Turbo S made do without and didn't break blocks or rods. The uprated gearbox was fitted to all 250 bhp cars too.
My original early 1986 engine had forged rods...Overall I agree with your sentiment - the Porsche 928 GT is very similar - its engine is pretty much the same as the one fitted to the 928 CS, the gearbox is absolutely the same as the CS and so is the suspension. Yet a CS is worth about 3x as much as a good GT - a function of rarity, being the first in line etc...
Cheburator mk2 said:
My original early 1986 engine had forged rods...
Overall I agree with your sentiment - the Porsche 928 GT is very similar - its engine is pretty much the same as the one fitted to the 928 CS, the gearbox is absolutely the same as the CS and so is the suspension. Yet a CS is worth about 3x as much as a good GT - a function of rarity, being the first in line etc...
Porsche threw everything at the 88 Turbo S, that car supposedly had cast rods....Don't get me started on the CS value thing.Overall I agree with your sentiment - the Porsche 928 GT is very similar - its engine is pretty much the same as the one fitted to the 928 CS, the gearbox is absolutely the same as the CS and so is the suspension. Yet a CS is worth about 3x as much as a good GT - a function of rarity, being the first in line etc...
Been meaning to update this for a while... The UK now has one more 951 racer! I've now completed 2 CSCC Future Classics rounds and whilst I'm not quite up to pace, the car is running well. Although we finished in a respectable P12 on Saturday at Silverstone, but we have more work to do to keep up with the quick S2's. I'd say this is 50/50 car set up and us. Very, very happy with it, next time out is the Spa Summer Classic 
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