2024 Cayenne

[unrepentant]

Kazandy37 said:

Moog72 said:

I have the surround camera on my current Cayenne S and for me it would be a must have on the new car and would stop me from ordering if I was told I couldn’t have it

Completely agree - hence my declining the build slot I was offered. Strange that some people say they haven’t been told - I know my dealer very well (had many cars) so can’t think of a reason why he would tell me it wasn’t available.

Time will tell I guess!

I looked this morning and we have cars actually in build that have surround camera.

[jackwood]

unrepentant said:

I looked this morning and we have cars actually in build that have surround camera.

Are these customer cars or demo cars?

[unrepentant]

jackwood said:

unrepentant said:

I looked this morning and we have cars actually in build that have surround camera.

Are these customer cars or demo cars?

We don't have demo cars. All our cars are for sale /sold.

[Moog72]

unrepentant said:

jackwood said:

unrepentant said:

I looked this morning and we have cars actually in build that have surround camera.

Are these customer cars or demo cars?

We don't have demo cars. All our cars are for sale /sold.

I see that you are in the US though which might be different to cars supplied to Euroland / UK

[jackwood]

Moog72 said:

unrepentant said:

jackwood said:

unrepentant said:

I looked this morning and we have cars actually in build that have surround camera.

Are these customer cars or demo cars?

We don't have demo cars. All our cars are for sale /sold.

I see that you are in the US though which might be different to cars supplied to Euroland / UK

Ah yes that might be it. We still haven’t heard anything about an allocation yet. We’ve had a deposit down for the facelift car since middle of last year.

[Crazy4557]

jackwood said:

Ah yes that might be it. We still haven’t heard anything about an allocation yet. We’ve had a deposit down for the facelift car since middle of last year.

I don’t understand my local dealer, been talking to them early this year about the facelift but they denied it exists, I said I didn’t want a current model despite them pushing. New car gets launched and I’d expect them to be in touch considering my previous interest but heard nothing.
Ordered a car at the weekend and they didn’t have any knowledge about my previous discussions, seems they’re just order takers these days rather than building relationships.

[unrepentant]

Crazy4557 said:

jackwood said:

Ah yes that might be it. We still haven’t heard anything about an allocation yet. We’ve had a deposit down for the facelift car since middle of last year.

I don’t understand my local dealer, been talking to them early this year about the facelift but they denied it exists, I said I didn’t want a current model despite them pushing. New car gets launched and I’d expect them to be in touch considering my previous interest but heard nothing.
Ordered a car at the weekend and they didn’t have any knowledge about my previous discussions, seems they’re just order takers these days rather than building relationships.

We're a bit hungrier on this side of the pond. When you work commission only you tend to be a little more attentive.

Dealers are always in a bit of an awkward spot when they have current inventory to move but they know that the new MY will have quite a lot of changes. But if you have a prospective customer who makes it clear they will wait for the new model you make sure you follow up once you have allocation and pricing.

[Coley88]

I put an order in for one yesterday, which I’ll run as a company car given the lower bik of `8% thanks to the larger capacity battery.

The price of the base car is competitive, however, the options quickly got out of hand, to have a like for like spec its more than the RRS.

It was between this, a RRS P440e, iX, Eletre or just keeping the disco commercial that’s coming next month.

I currently have a disco commercial (with a conversion), super tax efficient. But no longer like the idea of strapping our young kids in the back without rear curtain airbags.

I’m not quite ready to take the plunge on a full EV, it would have been fine 95% of the time, but I do have the requirement with work for an urgent and possible long trip that can come up at any minute without notice.

[Cheib]

Had a phone call from my OPC….”Am I interested in discussing a new Cayenne when my 17 plate is in for work next week” I’ve actually got a Cayenne loan car this weekend as my GT3 is in having some warranty work done. I’m driven the latest model a couple of times but always been the Hybrid. Have to say the base spec car’s mpg is bloody awful 20 to 25 mpg depending on how/where it is driven. Great that the battery has more range in the Hybrid still not sure that it would make the car a winner for me.

The rest of the package away from the bells and whistles of PCM etc just isn’t significantly different from my six year old car. I’d love a newer daily but I do a lot of miles so a new car is a proper indulgence unless it’s a markedly better car as it will depreciate like a stone…..

[RS Guy]

Looking at the V8 model next year, given the year wait for my Macan S, I'll be placing a deposit soon!

[Kazandy37]

Had a call offering Nov build slot - apparently no known shortages now - so may well progress. I have the RRS P510 First Edition though and have to say I love that car.

Had an IX before but as others have said the infrastructure just isn’t there if you need to do more than c300 miles.

So for me hybrid is defo the right choice at the mo - but as referenced above whilst the base spec car is well priced I get to c £25k extra’s at least to get it anyway near to my RRS spec. Still cheaper than RRS though - a relative lightly specced 440e Autobiography is around £109k and my well specced Cayenne drops out c£105k.

I paid above list for the RRS 510 I have - so am tempted to jump out of that whilst demand is still strong - otherwise risk loosing a lot on it.

[mrosd]

Kazandy37 said:

Had a call offering Nov build slot - apparently no known shortages now - so may well progress. I have the RRS P510 First Edition though and have to say I love that car.

Had an IX before but as others have said the infrastructure just isn’t there if you need to do more than c300 miles.

So for me hybrid is defo the right choice at the mo - but as referenced above whilst the base spec car is well priced I get to c £25k extra’s at least to get it anyway near to my RRS spec. Still cheaper than RRS though - a relative lightly specced 440e Autobiography is around £109k and my well specced Cayenne drops out c£105k.

I paid above list for the RRS 510 I have - so am tempted to jump out of that whilst demand is still strong - otherwise risk loosing a lot on it.

out of interest what did the P510e FE cost you as its above list. I am debating the same choices, RRS vs Cayenne. P510e are holding strong on trader from what I can see

[Coley88]

Kazandy37 said:

Had a call offering Nov build slot - apparently no known shortages now - so may well progress. I have the RRS P510 First Edition though and have to say I love that car.

Had an IX before but as others have said the infrastructure just isn’t there if you need to do more than c300 miles.

So for me hybrid is defo the right choice at the mo - but as referenced above whilst the base spec car is well priced I get to c £25k extra’s at least to get it anyway near to my RRS spec. Still cheaper than RRS though - a relative lightly specced 440e Autobiography is around £109k and my well specced Cayenne drops out c£105k.

I paid above list for the RRS 510 I have - so am tempted to jump out of that whilst demand is still strong - otherwise risk loosing a lot on it.

I agree on the Hybrid, on the one had it`s the worst of both, two powertrains to lug around, maintain and purchase. Though, on the other hand, it`s the best of both, in being able to do pretty much 90% of my local trips and commute in battery, but having the flexibility of ice. In one way, it`s less wasteful than having a 112kw hour battery (as in an iX) which for 90% isn`t needed either. In the short term I feel it`s a good solution.

I am still undecided on RRS or Cayenne.

The RRS will be more comfortable, larger cabin, possible a nicer place to sit, bigger battery & ev range, dare I say a bit `cooler`. I worry that every time I see one, I`ll think, should`ve got the RRS. Though, who know`s when you`d actually get one, my local dealer said quite a few people are jumping ship, so a vehicle `should` be available soon, but not gaurnetee.

Where as the Porsche will for sure put together better, spend less time and the dealer, maybe better residuals (?), drive better, quicker, more efficent, it also has a 3.5t towing capacity, whereas the RRS only has 3t, which is the opposite as to what I would have expected. It`s scheduled to come in Q2 or Q3 this year.


With the P440e, spec for spec, the RRS comes out slightly less.

[DMC2]

Coley88 said:

I agree on the Hybrid, on the one had it`s the worst of both, two powertrains to lug around, maintain and purchase. Though, on the other hand, it`s the best of both, in being able to do pretty much 90% of my local trips and commute in battery, but having the flexibility of ice. In one way, it`s less wasteful than having a 112kw hour battery (as in an iX) which for 90% isn`t needed either. In the short term I feel it`s a good solution.

I am still undecided on RRS or Cayenne.

The RRS will be more comfortable, larger cabin, possible a nicer place to sit, bigger battery & ev range, dare I say a bit `cooler`. I worry that every time I see one, I`ll think, should`ve got the RRS. Though, who know`s when you`d actually get one, my local dealer said quite a few people are jumping ship, so a vehicle `should` be available soon, but not gaurnetee.

Where as the Porsche will for sure put together better, spend less time and the dealer, maybe better residuals (?), drive better, quicker, more efficent, it also has a 3.5t towing capacity, whereas the RRS only has 3t, which is the opposite as to what I would have expected. It`s scheduled to come in Q2 or Q3 this year.


With the P440e, spec for spec, the RRS comes out slightly less.

I still don't see the benefit of the hybrid? What benefit does local journeys on the battery have when it basically costs the same to charge it as put fuel in it? Especially when the hybrid costs thousands more? Genuinely curious? I've gone for the base petrol.

[Coley88]

DMC2 said:

I still don't see the benefit of the hybrid? What benefit does local journeys on the battery have when it basically costs the same to charge it as put fuel in it? Especially when the hybrid costs thousands more? Genuinely curious? I've gone for the base petrol.

Everyone has different circumstances and variables.

We have a solar array in work, so it`ll charge it for peanuts during the day.

The main benifit of a PHEV for me for company car tax. Running a pure ICE as a company car is a non starter and would be circa £500 per month more.

If not, I`d be choosing an F Pace SVR which I had the pleasure of using for a long weekend a few weeks ago and absolutely loved.

[DMC2]

Coley88 said:

DMC2 said:

I still don't see the benefit of the hybrid? What benefit does local journeys on the battery have when it basically costs the same to charge it as put fuel in it? Especially when the hybrid costs thousands more? Genuinely curious? I've gone for the base petrol.

Everyone has different circumstances and variables.

We have a solar array in work, so it`ll charge it for peanuts during the day.

The main benifit of a PHEV for me for company car tax. Running a pure ICE as a company car is a non starter and would be circa £500 per month more.

If not, I`d be choosing an F Pace SVR which I had the pleasure of using for a long weekend a few weeks ago and absolutely loved.

Ah okay gotcha. I can see why it suits you.

[Kazandy37]

mrosd said:

out of interest what did the P510e FE cost you as its above list. I am debating the same choices, RRS vs Cayenne. P510e are holding strong on trader from what I can see

I paid about £15k over list - so was expensive - but I wanted out of the iX I had as that was just loosing thousands by the month - they are very unpopular second hand!!

The residuals are holding up well - and thinking if I get out this year (into the Porsche) the cost of ownership may not have been that bad.

RRS is a beautiful car, and has no issues and now over 3,000 miles.

I guess the reality is both will be good cars - to my mind the Porsche will drive better, it the RRS is supremely comfortable and I am finding I am enjoying the ‘wafting’ along.

Getting about 57 miles out of the electric on it - which does cover a lot of my driving. With just over 3,000 miles done (some very long trips) in 7 weeks I am averaging c48mpg in the RRS - not bad for a 3 tonne car!!

[Coley88]

Kazandy37 said:

I paid about £15k over list - so was expensive - but I wanted out of the iX I had as that was just loosing thousands by the month - they are very unpopular second hand!!

The residuals are holding up well - and thinking if I get out this year (into the Porsche) the cost of ownership may not have been that bad.

RRS is a beautiful car, and has no issues and now over 3,000 miles.

I guess the reality is both will be good cars - to my mind the Porsche will drive better, it the RRS is supremely comfortable and I am finding I am enjoying the ‘wafting’ along.

Getting about 57 miles out of the electric on it - which does cover a lot of my driving. With just over 3,000 miles done (some very long trips) in 7 weeks I am averaging c48mpg in the RRS - not bad for a 3 tonne car!!

How did you get on with the iX, apart from the looks, it seems to be very well reviewed. There’s some silly cheap lease deals on the 40, £24k for 3-year at 18k miles pa but not far off double for the 50i

As you said, I’d not fancy owning one with a big question mark on residuals.

[Kazandy37]

Coley88 said:

How did you get on with the iX, apart from the looks, it seems to be very well reviewed. There’s some silly cheap lease deals on the 40, £24k for 3-year at 18k miles pa but not far off double for the 50i

As you said, I’d not fancy owning one with a big question mark on residuals.

I had both the 50 and M60 - both amazing cars - and technology is great and feels like a Bentley inside - looks aside it was a great car. Main reason for change was boot space (it is small for the size of car) and range - realistically in winter (which seems a long time in England) it did between 240 and 280. In perfect conditions it did show 380 but that was like 1 day per year.

There are some great deals on them, but I wouldn’t touch a 40 personally - you would be around 160 miles at best - certainly for me that wouldn’t work.

The infrastructure in the UK for charging on the go is crap - that I guess was the final straw. Turned up once to a IONITY station - was told I was number 7 in the queue to use it - just not acceptable or workable unless you have nothing better to do with your time.

So it’s a great car - and if the UK had good infrastructure I would still be driving it - as I could have got a roof box to fix the boot space.

[J210]

Out build slot is apparently in 2 weeks. We have just been told Porsche have removed 21 inch wheels ? Any one else heard this