Would a 2.4s be a good place to put money?

[uktrailmonster]

rubystone said:

E cams are perfect for driveability...I could've gone for S cams but decided against it when I had Martin Harvey rebuild it.

I'm truly amazed you went for E cams on a rebuild.

These cars are not really about drivability, at least not today. You choose an S because it screams up to the redline and makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up!! E spec might give a slightly better spread of mid-range torque, but that's missing the point of these cars in the modern world. Besides, the 2.4S actually pulls fairly strongly anyway, certainly not an issue. If you want more torque and drivability, the later 3.0 & 3.2L cars are much better than any of the earlier cars, but arguably less fun too. Also vastly cheaper to buy.

[roygarth]

Last year I nearly bought a concourse £140k 2.4S - part of the draw is the amazing 'S' engine note at the top of the rev range.

But in the end I bought the 911T and, with the change, a concourse Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale...which, let me assure you, can give the S a lesson or two in the engine note department!

[rubystone]

uktrailmonster said:

I'm truly amazed you went for E cams on a rebuild.

These cars are not really about drivability, at least not today. You choose an S because it screams up to the redline and makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up!! E spec might give a slightly better spread of mid-range torque, but that's missing the point of these cars in the modern world. Besides, the 2.4S actually pulls fairly strongly anyway, certainly not an issue. If you want more torque and drivability, the later 3.0 & 3.2L cars are much better than any of the earlier cars, but arguably less fun too. Also vastly cheaper to buy.

this was way back in the early '90s....nowadays I'd do that....as it happens, Martin dynod the car on a dyno used my McLaren in those days at 195bhp anyway....so I guess I had my cake and ate it....

[uktrailmonster]

rubystone said:

this was way back in the early '90s....nowadays I'd do that....as it happens, Martin dynod the car on a dyno used my McLaren in those days at 195bhp anyway....so I guess I had my cake and ate it....

Nice one indeed.

[uktrailmonster]

roygarth said:

Last year I nearly bought a concourse £140k 2.4S - part of the draw is the amazing 'S' engine note at the top of the rev range.

But in the end I bought the 911T and, with the change, a concourse Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale...which, let me assure you, can give the S a lesson or two in the engine note department!

Exactly. The 2.4S is good but not THAT good. Too many better driving options for that sort of money.

[EricE]

uktrailmonster said:

Exactly. The 2.4S is good but not THAT good. Too many better driving options for that sort of money.

Completely correct unless you care about the build year (classic car rallyes for example). Admittedly most people don’t.
I used to take the '71 911 to mild track events and found that it punches well above (or rather below) its "age", even though it is unrestored with only a fresh set of dampers and new XWX tyres, I had no problems hanging behind relatively big caliber cars like a 1986 E30 M3.
Sure the driver was probably more careful than I was but it’s still quite amazing if you consider the age difference. Back then I was a bit intimidated by the rear-engine 911 liftoff oversteer tales but with the original high sidewall tires you actually get more than enough time to react because you can feel the car moving a lot before it breaks traction. And then we drove home 500 miles in relative comfort without it missing a beat.
It is just a lovely all-round package and in my opinion hard to beat in that aspect but for a pure drivers/track car I’d look elsewhere (Lotus Elan Sprint ).

edit: just checked fastestlaps and it seems like the E30 M3 is indeed much closer to a 2.4S than I expected. http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/bmw_m3_e30-vs-p...

[squirejo]

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1973-porsche-9...

no affiliation.

[rubystone]

squirejo said:

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1973-porsche-9...

no affiliation.

Colour change from Sepia, restoration from someone I have never heard of (and I know all the specialists in Essex)...£165k!!! Chancers.....

[roygarth]

It will be very interesting to se what this goes for. I'd be very surprised if it makes it's reserve.

[EricE]

roygarth said:

It will be very interesting to se what this goes for. I'd be very surprised if it makes it's reserve.

I follow pre-73 auctions from time to time, check the cars on the various forums and usually find some "story" about them... color changes, RSR rear fenders that were welded back to original spec, repaired accident cars, MFI cars converted to webers, dodgy history, converted sportomatics, etc. Then I close the browser window and think "not a bad car but there is no way it will meet reserve".

When I check back a few weeks later those cars always show up as sold for 15% over estimate or more. I suspect the really good examples change hands privately for money that I would consider super-silly at this point. But if prices keep rising like that today’s super-silly is tomorrow’s bargain. Until it isn’t...

[YoungMD]

House prices stabilising, interest rates on the rise, cars like this are prime overpriced ways of losing money at present, some people have won over the last year or so with porsche prices, things never never keep going up, silver stone auctions does seem to be a great way of overpaying for a car!! I see a 964 convertable going for over £35k last time ......

[OlberJ]

mollytherocker said:

I believe that a manual 993 Carrera S is an especially smart place to put some money at this time.

If you can find one.

I believe that a manual 964 Carrera 2 is an especially smart place to put some money at this time.

If you can find one.

[roygarth]

EricE said:

roygarth said:

It will be very interesting to se what this goes for. I'd be very surprised if it makes it's reserve.

I follow pre-73 auctions from time to time, check the cars on the various forums and usually find some "story" about them... color changes, RSR rear fenders that were welded back to original spec, repaired accident cars, MFI cars converted to webers, dodgy history, converted sportomatics, etc. Then I close the browser window and think "not a bad car but there is no way it will meet reserve".

When I check back a few weeks later those cars always show up as sold for 15% over estimate or more. I suspect the really good examples change hands privately for money that I would consider super-silly at this point. But if prices keep rising like that today’s super-silly is tomorrow’s bargain. Until it isn’t...

Agree that the best cars change hands privately via brokers etc. Its often the case that the 'story' cars end up at auction as there's a chance somebody will not do their due diligence and pay up. That's not to say that good cars don't appear at auction, but why would you take a risk at auction on a good S car in a frothy market when you can sell it on the quiet via a broker/dealer for top money anyway?

There are a lot of pre-impact cars around (T, E & S) that have not sold for 6 to 12 months. Usually because of lack of history, non-matching numbers etc etc...

The other thing about this market is one doesn't really know what cars are selling for privately as all those involved have a vested interest in spreading rumours about crazy prices. A classic car dealer friend told me yesterday that a RS Lightweight had just changed hands in US for $2 million....maybe it did, maybe it didn't! Hope its true though as it can't hurt the value of my lowly little T!

[hot66]

you can have mine for £200K

1973 2.4S , Italian matching numbers incl gearbox , in the best colour light yellow ... orginal owner 25 years , then a couple of others & I have owned it & driven it for 11 years

: not really for sale .. just had too much fun in it again on a week long driving trip around France to Classic Le Mans ... might sell if prices rise to £201K :

[mrdemon]

OlberJ said:

I believe that a manual 964 Carrera 2 is an especially smart place to put some money at this time.

If you can find one.

it was when they were 12k, now it's hard finding a nice one with no rust, and nice ones can be 35k now.

[roygarth]

hot66 said:

you can have mine for £200K

1973 2.4S , Italian matching numbers incl gearbox.........

just had too much fun in it again on a week long driving trip around France to Classic Le Mans :

Did you get to the the pretty girl outside the flower shop in the market square before Steve?

[hot66]

roygarth said:

Did you get to the the pretty girl outside the flower shop in the market square before Steve?

nope .. & due to him , by the time I'd got there she was a bit wary of young good looking lads in old Porsches :lol:

on a related note, spotted Chad McQueen walking around the paddocks by the 917

[gary71]

hot66 said:

you can have mine for £200K

1973 2.4S , Italian matching numbers incl gearbox , in the best colour light yellow ... orginal owner 25 years , then a couple of others & I have owned it & driven it for 11 years

: not really for sale .. just had too much fun in it again on a week long driving trip around France to Classic Le Mans ... might sell if prices rise to £201K :

You said it would be for sale when it hit £100k

Let's revisit this thread in a few years when you still haven't sold it for £250k or even £300k

[EricE]

There’s a purple '73S for sale at gooding, estimate $275-$350k:

http://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1973-porsche-911-...

and here is the same car six years ago on Bring a Trailer for $33k:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cac...

Be sure to read the comments if you want to have a laugh.

PS: BAT pulled the article one day after updating it.

[estacion]

http://atspeedmotors.com/1972-porsche-911s-prototy...

About 300k!