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Looking at this one today http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/830/9113.2...
Can people give me their thoughts please?
Had a 993 for 7 years and sold a year ago. Had a nice 3.2, sold it and regretted it. This one looks on the high side, but 911Virgin have been around a long time and have a good reputation. Any thoughts appreciated. Do we think Carrera 3.2's will continue on the up?
Cheers,
Paul.
Can people give me their thoughts please?
Had a 993 for 7 years and sold a year ago. Had a nice 3.2, sold it and regretted it. This one looks on the high side, but 911Virgin have been around a long time and have a good reputation. Any thoughts appreciated. Do we think Carrera 3.2's will continue on the up?
Cheers,
Paul.
I saw a 40,000 mile car of the same year sell for £50,000! Let me know what you think of it. I think even at £30k its top money for the car but there aren't many rust free cars around at the mo. Trouble is 911V know prices will keep going up and will sit on it until it looks like a cheap car to someone. Compared to pre impact bumper cars its a bargain i suppose when you think how much development had gone into the engine by 1988. Lovely car. There's another concours car in classifieds for £54k and whilst mileage is bait lower i prefer this car as it has sports seats!! Just make sure its had a top end rebuild by a reputable firm as they tend to need them when approaching 100k miles.
truckpdt said:
There's no top end rebuild been done so far. Had a leak down test and all cylinders less than 10.
you also get a decent 12 month warranty - hmmm tough one actually. Its stunning but I still think £30k is that cars correct level. Market is just bonkers so not a good time to buy.Having said that in 5 years it will probably be worth £50k if you keep it like it is. I'm still stunned how prices are rising so aggressively and cars actually changing hands at these mad levels. Theres a 993 RS clubsport at JZM for circa £350k. If you look at it like that makes this car a relative bargain
Edited by IMI A on Friday 12th September 10:45
I'm also quite taken back. Not that long ago a 993 turbo with 60K on the clock might have been £45K to £50K to buy, but now it's more like £80K or more. The entire classic car market has moved upwards, but the jump I've seen in the various derivations of 911 is quite remarkable. The general thought re 911 air-cooled is that this is a long overdue adjustment to prices as well as the general upward trend of the market.
I'm sure it's lovely; 911V have a very good rep - it's probably a bit tippy but a 12 month warranty is worth a couple of grand to you - and if the rust is taken care of for the time being they are bullet proof.
Watch for suspension if it's not been used much - no top end isn't the end of the world - some go on well into their 100s before they need one
Watch for suspension if it's not been used much - no top end isn't the end of the world - some go on well into their 100s before they need one
Personally, I think the best air-cooled models will continue to generate strong interest. It isn't a fad, these pretty little 'analogue' 911s are getting increasingly sought after.
Of course some people want pre-74 cars, some want 964s, others want the 993s, but a late 3.2 G50 'narrow bodied' Coupe in the right colour combo will always be a classic.
My only concern, at these elevated price levels, would be mileage. Whatever anyone says - to retain value, the lower the better, and there is a slight stigma about 100,000+ mls. Whilst this one is well below, at c.3k mls pa, in 6 years it will move into this territory. However, lower mileage cars are rarer and usually a lot more expensive.
Of course some people want pre-74 cars, some want 964s, others want the 993s, but a late 3.2 G50 'narrow bodied' Coupe in the right colour combo will always be a classic.
My only concern, at these elevated price levels, would be mileage. Whatever anyone says - to retain value, the lower the better, and there is a slight stigma about 100,000+ mls. Whilst this one is well below, at c.3k mls pa, in 6 years it will move into this territory. However, lower mileage cars are rarer and usually a lot more expensive.
Koln-RS said:
Personally, I think the best air-cooled models will continue to generate strong interest. It isn't a fad, these pretty little 'analogue' 911s are getting increasingly sought after.
Of course some people want pre-74 cars, some want 964s, others want the 993s, but a late 3.2 G50 'narrow bodied' Coupe in the right colour combo will always be a classic.
My only concern, at these elevated price levels, would be mileage. Whatever anyone says - to retain value, the lower the better, and there is a slight stigma about 100,000+ mls. Whilst this one is well below, at c.3k mls pa, in 6 years it will move into this territory. However, lower mileage cars are rarer and usually a lot more expensive.
These prices and with those mileage concerns spoil what has always been one of the 911's strong points - being able to use it as a daily driver. find a good one and you will be worried about using it too much.Of course some people want pre-74 cars, some want 964s, others want the 993s, but a late 3.2 G50 'narrow bodied' Coupe in the right colour combo will always be a classic.
My only concern, at these elevated price levels, would be mileage. Whatever anyone says - to retain value, the lower the better, and there is a slight stigma about 100,000+ mls. Whilst this one is well below, at c.3k mls pa, in 6 years it will move into this territory. However, lower mileage cars are rarer and usually a lot more expensive.
Emeye said:
Koln-RS said:
Personally, I think the best air-cooled models will continue to generate strong interest. It isn't a fad, these pretty little 'analogue' 911s are getting increasingly sought after.
Of course some people want pre-74 cars, some want 964s, others want the 993s, but a late 3.2 G50 'narrow bodied' Coupe in the right colour combo will always be a classic.
My only concern, at these elevated price levels, would be mileage. Whatever anyone says - to retain value, the lower the better, and there is a slight stigma about 100,000+ mls. Whilst this one is well below, at c.3k mls pa, in 6 years it will move into this territory. However, lower mileage cars are rarer and usually a lot more expensive.
These prices and with those mileage concerns spoil what has always been one of the 911's strong points - being able to use it as a daily driver. find a good one and you will be worried about using it too much.Of course some people want pre-74 cars, some want 964s, others want the 993s, but a late 3.2 G50 'narrow bodied' Coupe in the right colour combo will always be a classic.
My only concern, at these elevated price levels, would be mileage. Whatever anyone says - to retain value, the lower the better, and there is a slight stigma about 100,000+ mls. Whilst this one is well below, at c.3k mls pa, in 6 years it will move into this territory. However, lower mileage cars are rarer and usually a lot more expensive.
They aren't cheap to run, rust being the big issue but you need to keep on top of the maintenance and I believe they're best used on a regular basis to cut down on niggles.
These low mileage cars command high money and to remain that value you can't really use them enough.
Personally I'd take a higher mileage car with known issues sorted at a lower price so that I could drive it.
I tend to agree with the higher mileage cars with known issues sorted, although according to 911V these known issues aren't know on this car if you see what I mean. To be honest I found them a pleasure to deal with and they're very transparent about matters. The problem with the higher mileage car with known issues sorted is finding one. A nice couple with known issues sorted....can U point me in the right direction? 
And that car will probably be best part of £30K anyway at the moment.
And that car will probably be best part of £30K anyway at the moment.Err Indoors said:
Doubt they will go up anymore they are already over-priced. Its a shame really as even the entry level basic 911 is daft money for what it is.
I'm not so sure. Yes I agree its daft money, but aircooled 911s really are only playing catchup in the classic market. For example I've always quietly fancied a TR4 to do up for classic rallying, and a good one will now cost you 20k plus. Five years ago it would have been 10-12k for a very good TR4.
They built far more TR4s than 3.2 911s and there are still a lot of TR4s about.
truckpdt said:
Any thoughts appreciated. Do we think Carrera 3.2's will continue on the up?
Looks nice, but the current market has gone bonkers. If you really wanted this car right now and intended to keep it long term, then I'm sure you'd get your money back or more no problem. But can't help thinking there is going to be a dip in the classic market at some point in the not too distant future since price rises have been pretty steep in the last 12 months.Personally I prefer the earlier 3.0L cars like my SC and mint low mileage examples are still considerably cheaper than this i.e. sub £30K
uktrailmonster said:
truckpdt said:
Any thoughts appreciated. Do we think Carrera 3.2's will continue on the up?
Looks nice, but the current market has gone bonkers. If you really wanted this car right now and intended to keep it long term, then I'm sure you'd get your money back or more no problem. But can't help thinking there is going to be a dip in the classic market at some point in the not too distant future since price rises have been pretty steep in the last 12 months.Personally I prefer the earlier 3.0L cars like my SC and mint low mileage examples are still considerably cheaper than this i.e. sub £30K
There are less of these about in good condition.... 5 years ago when they we're say £15k it was difficult to find a nice one , today even more difficult..
Price wise, +£30k ? Forget what they were, how do they compare price wise when a golf has a list price of £40k , or a range rover is over £100k. People are loosing more in depreciation over 18 months than a nice IB costs to buy .
Using man maths, which is a popular mathematical method these days
, these Porsches are actually quite cheap
Price wise, +£30k ? Forget what they were, how do they compare price wise when a golf has a list price of £40k , or a range rover is over £100k. People are loosing more in depreciation over 18 months than a nice IB costs to buy .
Using man maths, which is a popular mathematical method these days
, these Porsches are actually quite cheap If you can live with some bigger numbers on the odometer, then the grey 1988 one in the PH classifieds looks like an equally great car
Subject to a bare metal respray (and I assume any rust addressed) engine apart rebuild, g50 gearbox - all for mid £20's
These things have been late teens (for good ones) for the best part of 20 years, so if (when) a price correction occurs I imagine this is the level they will drop back too.
Subject to a bare metal respray (and I assume any rust addressed) engine apart rebuild, g50 gearbox - all for mid £20's
These things have been late teens (for good ones) for the best part of 20 years, so if (when) a price correction occurs I imagine this is the level they will drop back too.
Wilmslowboy said:
If you can live with some bigger numbers on the odometer, then the grey 1988 one in the PH classifieds looks like an equally great car
Subject to a bare metal respray (and I assume any rust addressed) engine apart rebuild, g50 gearbox - all for mid £20's
These things have been late teens (for good ones) for the best part of 20 years, so if (when) a price correction occurs I imagine this is the level they will drop back too.
Subject to a bare metal respray (and I assume any rust addressed) engine apart rebuild, g50 gearbox - all for mid £20's
These things have been late teens (for good ones) for the best part of 20 years, so if (when) a price correction occurs I imagine this is the level they will drop back too.
I very much doubt they will become cheaper my friend but here's hoping!
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