More hype and plain silliness
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IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
mollytherocker said:
IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
IMIA said:
mollytherocker said:
IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The hype and plain silliness continues!
P50 said:
IMIA said:
mollytherocker said:
IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The hype and plain silliness continues!
IMIA said:
P50 said:
IMIA said:
mollytherocker said:
IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The hype and plain silliness continues!
g7jhp said:
IMIA said:
P50 said:
IMIA said:
mollytherocker said:
IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The hype and plain silliness continues!
IMIA said:
P50 said:
IMIA said:
mollytherocker said:
IMIA said:
Well a new benchmark set for clean low mileage G50 Carreras Coupes. The Dick Lovett car sold for £75k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Do you know for a fact that the buyer paid 75k?http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The hype and plain silliness continues!
A red (I can't stand red at all and value a dark metallic 20% more in my eyes but I accept I'm on my own here..) 3.2 at 75k with 50% more miles is insane.
I was lucky to find my L699 Granite Green car and it's not for sale. But simply question who is shelling out this sort of cash?
I fail to see where a £75k red sport coupe can go investment wise. That aside the G50 is in my eyes the most complete torsion bar of the lot. Why faff about with knackered old 1970's 2.7 and 3.0's i.e no proper history, massive miles, loads of owners, perhaps a couple of rebuilds of dubious execution at huge money when at the end of the day they're essentially all the same car from '74 - '89. I think the mid 70's interiors are rather austere and a touch grim. The '87 - '89 are properly sorted and are perfection. The interior quality was exceptional.
It's not like they look any different. Only an anorak can see the external differences between any G series car. A S1 E type is a lot nicer than an S3 but that's not applicable here.
The G50 used to be the best kept Porsche secret.
Oh well game over, you want you pay..
Edited by P50 on Monday 22 December 22:32
Edited by P50 on Monday 22 December 22:34
g7jhp said:
Nothing like current aircooled owners talking the prices up!
I'm in despair. Prices have gone mad and is taking all the fun out of it.I've owned four, I can't see me selling my 993 and getting an earlier car again as prices have gone so silly on the earlier stuff on even the model of 911 that were poorly thought of only 5 years ago. Saying that I think it's more the 911 playing catchup compared to the rest of the 'Classic' market. Even so, I can't believe a 3.2 concourse or not is really worth 75k, and not even low low mileage.
I've decided to keep mine for another year then move on to (horror of horrors) a modern Porsche, an early 997 turbo. Can't see those dropping much more and £ vs performance and value they are a bargain compared to the air-cooled stuff now.
As the UK is so chocked up with traffic and I have to head to Spain for my fun, I recon a turbo would be spot on in the mountains and I wouldn't worry so much about it's appreciating value if I dinged it.
Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 23 December 08:44
Wozy68 said:
I'm in despair. Prices have gone mad and is taking all the fun out of it.
I've owned four, I can't see me selling my 993 and getting an earlier car again as prices have gone so silly on the earlier stuff on even the model of 911 that were poorly thought of only 5 years ago. Saying that I think it's more the 911 playing catchup compared to the rest of the 'Classic' market. Even so, I can't believe a 3.2 concourse or not is really worth 75k, and not even low low mileage.
I've decided to keep mine for another year then move on to (horror of horrors) a modern Porsche, an early 997 turbo. Can't see those dropping much more and £ vs performance and value they are a bargain compared to the air-cooled stuff now.
As the UK is so chocked up with traffic and I have to head to Spain for my fun, I recon a turbo would be spot on in the mountains and I wouldn't worry so much about it's appreciating value if I dinged it.
Why's it taking all the fun out of it?I've owned four, I can't see me selling my 993 and getting an earlier car again as prices have gone so silly on the earlier stuff on even the model of 911 that were poorly thought of only 5 years ago. Saying that I think it's more the 911 playing catchup compared to the rest of the 'Classic' market. Even so, I can't believe a 3.2 concourse or not is really worth 75k, and not even low low mileage.
I've decided to keep mine for another year then move on to (horror of horrors) a modern Porsche, an early 997 turbo. Can't see those dropping much more and £ vs performance and value they are a bargain compared to the air-cooled stuff now.
As the UK is so chocked up with traffic and I have to head to Spain for my fun, I recon a turbo would be spot on in the mountains and I wouldn't worry so much about it's appreciating value if I dinged it.
Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 23 December 08:44
Same roads, same climate, fuel's stable price wise.
If you own a car what's changed? Sorry to be a pessimist but some things get harder. Some easier. You could have left school aged 14 in the 60's and chosen any number of jobs. Bought a banger XK120 for a thirty quid and driven around pissed legally. Meet a doris and buy a little flat in Notting Hill for 5 grand!
Now you need a two one degree or two to work in a Mc Filth, house prices bear no correlation to salary at 15 x average earnings in London.
Times change and ultimately there's little that can be done. supply vs demand.
Mobile phones were mega expensive and are now peanuts to run!
To sum up the stuff's still out there but you now have to wait longer and save harder for your goal. I wish we could revert to buying tasty kit for small change but save a massive crash it's moved on.
Or set your sights lower! A 997 is still rear engined! ;o) I started this thread and painfully concede that a new order has arrived.
For every luddite that lives in the past there's an army of new blood who will simply get into stuff and care a jot not about the "good old days"!!
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 23 December 10:07
P50 said:
Why faff about with knackered old 1970's 2.7 and 3.0's i.e no proper history, massive miles, loads of owners, perhaps a couple of rebuilds of dubious execution at huge money when at the end of the day they're essentially all the same car from '74 - '89.
Because you can enjoy thrashing the pants off them in all weathers, and once you've tired of that you can re-build them into the 911 you really want and go and thrash the pants off them again and not get all precious about your 'investment'.There's a fresh magnesium cased 915 'box in my old 911 with a WEVO shift. Apart from a slight hesitation from first to second its a 'box that does everything I need, and has a sweet change that perfectly compliments a zingy carb'd 2.5l engine. The G50 was part of Porsche's long endeavour to make the 911 an idiot-proof steer for Merkins, any half competent driver will have no problems with a decent 915.
The mag-cased unit is also the lightest 911 gearbox, 50kgs vs nearly 120kgs for a PDK......
SS7
shoestring7 said:
Because you can enjoy thrashing the pants off them in all weathers, and once you've tired of that you can re-build them into the 911 you really want and go and thrash the pants off them again and not get all precious about your 'investment'.
There's a fresh magnesium cased 915 'box in my old 911 with a WEVO shift. Apart from a slight hesitation from first to second its a 'box that does everything I need, and has a sweet change that perfectly compliments a zingy carb'd 2.5l engine. The G50 was part of Porsche's long endeavour to make the 911 an idiot-proof steer for Merkins, any half competent driver will have no problems with a decent 915.
The mag-cased unit is also the lightest 911 gearbox, 50kgs vs nearly 120kgs for a PDK......
SS7
My first 911 was an '85 coupe and the first thing I thought was WTF?! I likened the shift to my my fathers Alfa GTV6 at the time. Shocking.(BTW it was a 50k mile two owner car). Throw too long, no self centre across the 2nd to 3rd plane and very slow and deliberate or it will baulk. What's the good of that in a sports car?!There's a fresh magnesium cased 915 'box in my old 911 with a WEVO shift. Apart from a slight hesitation from first to second its a 'box that does everything I need, and has a sweet change that perfectly compliments a zingy carb'd 2.5l engine. The G50 was part of Porsche's long endeavour to make the 911 an idiot-proof steer for Merkins, any half competent driver will have no problems with a decent 915.
The mag-cased unit is also the lightest 911 gearbox, 50kgs vs nearly 120kgs for a PDK......
SS7
You can chintz up as much as you like about the 915 but at the end of the day it's the aspect that needed to be improved. The G50 raised the shift quality to the level of the steering feel.
Porsche didn't actually go to the Getrag to improve the shift for dumbheads. That wasn't the issue. It was done to take much higher torque. A 915 is on the limit 5 speed at 350ft lbs and a G50 can take in excess of a 1000.
They say a cracking 915 condition wise is a much sounder choice than a rotted knackered G50. I agree. But the G50 what a revelation.
In '95 my pal drove my 915 and said the shift was poor. So he bought an '88 Coupe and I soon followed!
Footnote.
I suppose the hardcore will always like a twitchy SWB 911S and thus any compromise of the genesis concept will be unacceptable. Some may like the 901/915 as it is a challenge. I prefer a G50 as it's much nicer in the real world pottering around.
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 23 December 14:34
Tripe Bypass said:
IMIA said:
Okay whats a mint 1988 Carrera Club Sport with 40k miles worth? 1 of 53 UK RHD cars and this is 1 of 7 ordered without any underseal which saved a further 35kg of weight
Hexagon car showing on Autotrader for £179,995. 
I have given up trying to keep up with this!
'A fool and his money are soon parted'.
Just because one 3.2 Carrera may or may not have sold for circa £75k doesn't mean they're all priced at that level. If however a number of cars all sell for £75k then you have a case.
High mileage Clubsports have been selling for over £100k so no surprise Hexagon are applying their now legendary "100% Hexagon tax".
Just because one 3.2 Carrera may or may not have sold for circa £75k doesn't mean they're all priced at that level. If however a number of cars all sell for £75k then you have a case.
High mileage Clubsports have been selling for over £100k so no surprise Hexagon are applying their now legendary "100% Hexagon tax".
shoestring7 said:
P50 said:
Why faff about with knackered old 1970's 2.7 and 3.0's i.e no proper history, massive miles, loads of owners, perhaps a couple of rebuilds of dubious execution at huge money when at the end of the day they're essentially all the same car from '74 - '89.
Because you can enjoy thrashing the pants off them in all weathers, and once you've tired of that you can re-build them into the 911 you really want and go and thrash the pants off them again and not get all precious about your 'investment'.There's a fresh magnesium cased 915 'box in my old 911 with a WEVO shift. Apart from a slight hesitation from first to second its a 'box that does everything I need, and has a sweet change that perfectly compliments a zingy carb'd 2.5l engine. The G50 was part of Porsche's long endeavour to make the 911 an idiot-proof steer for Merkins, any half competent driver will have no problems with a decent 915.
The mag-cased unit is also the lightest 911 gearbox, 50kgs vs nearly 120kgs for a PDK......
SS7
I bought my (current) knackered 1982 3.0 SC which came having had loads of owners, loads of miles and a dubious rebuild for £7.5k three years ago. You can't even buy a shell for that these days. It came with a history file 3" thick dating back to the 80s and a full MoT. I drove it for 2 and half years doing stuff as I went along - brakes, heat exchangers, etc. It is now completely apart and being refurbed mechanically and cosmetically. I'm doing as much of the work as I can myself and budgeting £20k to fully recommission it, rot free with a full respray, a short-stroke 3.2 and rebuilt 915. Will it ever be worth mega money? Of course not. I will, however, have a car that's faster and lighter than an original 40k miles G50 which I can enjoy guilt free in all weathers.
mollytherocker said:
Tripe Bypass said:
IMIA said:
Okay whats a mint 1988 Carrera Club Sport with 40k miles worth? 1 of 53 UK RHD cars and this is 1 of 7 ordered without any underseal which saved a further 35kg of weight
Hexagon car showing on Autotrader for £179,995. I have given up trying to keep up with this!
Its so good looking though. Simplicity itself
IMIA said:
Okay whats a mint 1988 Carrera Club Sport with 40k miles worth? 1 of 53 UK RHD cars and this is 1 of 7 ordered without any underseal which saved a further 35kg of weight
I doubt if the underseal on a CS weighed anything like 35Kg. AFAIK they all had an anti-chip finish and then a quick swish over with a wax based protectant, that darkens with time. Geneve said:
IMIA said:
Okay whats a mint 1988 Carrera Club Sport with 40k miles worth? 1 of 53 UK RHD cars and this is 1 of 7 ordered without any underseal which saved a further 35kg of weight
I doubt if the underseal on a CS weighed anything like 35Kg. AFAIK they all had an anti-chip finish and then a quick swish over with a wax based protectant, that darkens with time. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
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