More hype and plain silliness
Discussion
Wozy68 said:
IMI A said:
Err Indoors said:
Just ridiculous going to be some serious shirt losing, anybody who would buy a 3.2 for 80k is just plain stupid, and there's nothing more dangerous than a fool with money.
Good luck to them i'll put my mortgage on a serious implosion very soon.
You said that when they were changing hands for £30k Good luck to them i'll put my mortgage on a serious implosion very soon.
I'd pay £50k for this day night long. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... In fact if there were 10 in this condition I'd buy them all and tuck them away.
Edited by IMI A on Saturday 11th October 10:00
Compared to my 993, they have in common that they both have full OPC history, Certificate of Authenticity and low ownership. What they don't share is mileage, mines over double of this 3.2. I can see the condition will be better on the 3.2, but it can't be 2 or 3x better.
Is a 3.2 really worth two or three times the price of a 993? I've owned both, and IMO not a chance. I really do think this is madness, well either that or the 993 is seriously under priced.
Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 13th October 10:50
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.
Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
80k for this? The mind boggles at who actually parts with this sort of dough....
To be fair-it actually makes nearly 300k for a Singer look good value-
at least a Singer is genuinely superbly engineered and has some cache...
80k for this? The mind boggles at who actually parts with this sort of dough....
To be fair-it actually makes nearly 300k for a Singer look good value-
at least a Singer is genuinely superbly engineered and has some cache...
david hockney said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
80k for this? The mind boggles at who actually parts with this sort of dough....
To be fair-it actually makes nearly 300k for a Singer look good value-
at least a Singer is genuinely superbly engineered and has some cache...
They're trying to sell it on image alone. Alot of money for a bitsa 911.80k for this? The mind boggles at who actually parts with this sort of dough....
To be fair-it actually makes nearly 300k for a Singer look good value-
at least a Singer is genuinely superbly engineered and has some cache...
The seats look awful and although the engine has been rebuilt it doesn't sound £80k special. At that price I'd be expecting some decent Recaro bucket/period seats, rollcage, special engine build and set-up.
Echo's me of Jack Olsen's 911 (below)
Although I prefer the earlier look of the Olsen car.
Full One Car To Do It All (Petrolicious video) here
P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.
Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Price aside I think you're being unfair. Thats a lovely rep. It needs LWT seats thoughTake a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
It might look lovely to some eyes, at the dizzy heights of the current market, but it and many other 'recreations' would be a very high risk buy IMO. Many are old cars slapped up with a lot of make up to create something that they aren't. Big dealers might be able to entice high prices, but a private seller would struggle.
If I was buying an air-cooled 911, whatever the variant, as a potential collectable, that would provide a lot of enjoyment and hopefully protect my investment, my key criteria would be - ex-factory originality, low mileage, full history, excellent condition (patina of use), desirable model, sought after spec. That's the safest bet.
If I was buying an air-cooled 911, whatever the variant, as a potential collectable, that would provide a lot of enjoyment and hopefully protect my investment, my key criteria would be - ex-factory originality, low mileage, full history, excellent condition (patina of use), desirable model, sought after spec. That's the safest bet.
IMI A said:
Something like this?
Sports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits
Yes this is the sort of thing that should command a meaty premium over a 100k mile plus car with X owners and plenty of paintSports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits
A lovely thing! I bet it wasn't cheap from Hairpin when you bought it pro-rata but may seem value today...
P50 said:
IMI A said:
Something like this?
Sports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits
Yes this is the sort of thing that should command a meaty premium over a 100k mile plus car with X owners and plenty of paintSports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits
A lovely thing! I bet it wasn't cheap from Hairpin when you bought it pro-rata but may seem value today...
Thanks and slightly off topic even in this mad market I'm still a buyer of good straight low mileage 3.2C and 964 C2. With RS models at silly money and rightly so I have a feeling 3.2C and 964 C2 will go the same way as early less sporty pre impact bumper911s. A concourse 2.4T sold for $200,000 last year which in my view is completely bonkers for such a breathless car.
Its also a little bit unfair to call the air-cooled earlier cars like the 3.2C and 964 C2 less sporty than their RS cousins because if you look at current RS models and their cooking cousins the gap is massive. In 1989 the difference between a Carrera Club Sport and a Carrera or a bit later a 964 RS and C2 whilst detailed weren't as different as todays cars are. The 997 RS for example has a completely different engine to the cooking 997!
I'm also surprised a few people on here to say that they found their 3.2Cs slow. My dd is a 997 turbo and on a give and take twisty my 3.2C wouldn't be much slower and it is a heck of a lot more entertaining to drive. In the 3.2C you feel you can use all of its power but in the turbo you daren't come out of third gear on twists for fear of going straight through a hedge its so bloody quick in straight line. I've driven a 1972 RS which is mad money and unobtainable and a 3.2C within a few days of each other and yes the RS was more free revving and lightweight but for point to point pace there would be nothing in it - and from an engineering standpoint the 3.2C engine is the pinnacle of that particular line of engines. It will have its day if it isn't already starting to have its day. The max cap I think for one of these with ultra low miles is £50k so it will be interesting to see if these £75-£80k cars on the market currently do sell.
Its also a little bit unfair to call the air-cooled earlier cars like the 3.2C and 964 C2 less sporty than their RS cousins because if you look at current RS models and their cooking cousins the gap is massive. In 1989 the difference between a Carrera Club Sport and a Carrera or a bit later a 964 RS and C2 whilst detailed weren't as different as todays cars are. The 997 RS for example has a completely different engine to the cooking 997!
I'm also surprised a few people on here to say that they found their 3.2Cs slow. My dd is a 997 turbo and on a give and take twisty my 3.2C wouldn't be much slower and it is a heck of a lot more entertaining to drive. In the 3.2C you feel you can use all of its power but in the turbo you daren't come out of third gear on twists for fear of going straight through a hedge its so bloody quick in straight line. I've driven a 1972 RS which is mad money and unobtainable and a 3.2C within a few days of each other and yes the RS was more free revving and lightweight but for point to point pace there would be nothing in it - and from an engineering standpoint the 3.2C engine is the pinnacle of that particular line of engines. It will have its day if it isn't already starting to have its day. The max cap I think for one of these with ultra low miles is £50k so it will be interesting to see if these £75-£80k cars on the market currently do sell.
P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.
Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.
It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it. Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.
Edited by labrit on Tuesday 14th October 23:04
labrit said:
P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.
Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.
It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it. Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.
Edited by labrit on Tuesday 14th October 23:04
labrit said:
P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.
Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.
What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..
So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!
Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!
Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.
You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!
Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!
Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.
It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it. Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.
Edited by labrit on Tuesday 14th October 23:04
Sorry?
I think your car is very nice visually.
I could not care less what it owes you. I do however think it's a 144,000 mile SSE which is NOT worth 80 grand. Or at least to me.
How on earth do you arrive at that figure anyway? I'm sorry but for the price asked I would expect rear Fuchs heat cycles or not. Why didn't you buy new?
You are symptomatic of the chancers who are hyping the market with unremarkable messed with machines.
P50 said:
"Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want".
Sorry?
I think your car is very nice visually.
I could not care less what it owes you. I do however think it's a 144,000 mile SSE which is NOT worth 80 grand. Or at least to me.
How on earth do you arrive at that figure anyway? I'm sorry but for the price asked I would expect rear Fuchs heat cycles or not. Why didn't you buy new?
You are symptomatic of the chancers who are hyping the market with unremarkable messed with machines.
The difference between us is that i don't care what it owes me either. Like i said - you're a miserable git that clearly can't afford the car they want, hence the thread.Sorry?
I think your car is very nice visually.
I could not care less what it owes you. I do however think it's a 144,000 mile SSE which is NOT worth 80 grand. Or at least to me.
How on earth do you arrive at that figure anyway? I'm sorry but for the price asked I would expect rear Fuchs heat cycles or not. Why didn't you buy new?
You are symptomatic of the chancers who are hyping the market with unremarkable messed with machines.
labrit said:
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.
In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.
It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it.
Josh your response (above) would have been fine (without the need for the name calling below).In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.
It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it.
labrit said:
Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.
If you put your car up for sale for such a high price you've got to expect there's going to be some discussion on that price.Your car looks nice although as a previous 3.2 Carrera owner(and ImpactBumpers member) it's hard to see how you justify an £80k price.
Moving the spec of a car from factory, cuts down your market and often devalues the car rather than adding value. Most of the guys on ImpactBumpers do these projects as a bit of fun as their cars are keepers and understand that spending money on a hobby doesn't guarantee a return or increase the value by the same amount.
I then realised this was gt two's old car from Impact Bumpers build thread here which you bought in June 2013.
I don't know what you paid for the car but even in the current "aircooled bubble" the pricing seems unrealistic.
You may be better returning your 3.2 SSE to standard (if you have the standard parts) and selling the period parts independently.
You may be luckier and find a buyer who wants your car as it stands.
labrit said:
The difference between us is that i don't care what it owes me either. Like i said - you're a miserable git that clearly can't afford the car they want, hence the thread.
Whoever buys your bastardised abortion of a Porsche deserves what they get.I could buy your car in a blink of an eye but wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
My 3.2 cost a lot less than your "thing" and is original throughout. I'm simply tired of seeing old junk being priced way in excess of grade A machines.
A short while back old nasty 3.2's were converted into lookalikes as their value was paltry. Noone would mess up a really nice car so its not hard to do the maths is it?
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