More hype and plain silliness

More hype and plain silliness

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IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Monday 13th October 2014
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Wozy68 said:
IMI A said:
Err Indoors said:
Just ridiculous going to be some serious shirt losing, anybody who would buy a 3.2 for 80k is just plain stupid, and there's nothing more dangerous than a fool with money.
Good luck to them i'll put my mortgage on a serious implosion very soon.
You said that when they were changing hands for £30k smile

I'd pay £50k for this day night long. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... In fact if there were 10 in this condition I'd buy them all and tuck them away.

Edited by IMI A on Saturday 11th October 10:00
At 75K its price is 3x the value of my 993, at 50K that 3.2 would still cost nearly double what my 993 manual C2 is worth.
Compared to my 993, they have in common that they both have full OPC history, Certificate of Authenticity and low ownership. What they don't share is mileage, mines over double of this 3.2. I can see the condition will be better on the 3.2, but it can't be 2 or 3x better.

Is a 3.2 really worth two or three times the price of a 993? I've owned both, and IMO not a chance. I really do think this is madness, well either that or the 993 is seriously under priced.

Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 13th October 10:50
A low mileage concourse 993 C2 is now easily worth £50k day night long. You can't compare your car with a low mileage concourse car in amy meaningful way as your coparing apples with oranges. Concourse does not mean its in v.good condition. It generally means the car is in better than new condition. There aren't many concourse used cars for sale.

P50

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1,029 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.

Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.

What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..

So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!

Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!

Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.

You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!

Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!

Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45

david hockney

1,198 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


80k for this? The mind boggles at who actually parts with this sort of dough....
To be fair-it actually makes nearly 300k for a Singer look good value-
at least a Singer is genuinely superbly engineered and has some cache...

Frio3535

595 posts

134 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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I haven't viewed the car in person but the flachbau turbo at the supercar rooms looks better value week after week.

g7jhp

6,959 posts

237 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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david hockney said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


80k for this? The mind boggles at who actually parts with this sort of dough....
To be fair-it actually makes nearly 300k for a Singer look good value-
at least a Singer is genuinely superbly engineered and has some cache...
They're trying to sell it on image alone. Alot of money for a bitsa 911.

The seats look awful and although the engine has been rebuilt it doesn't sound £80k special. At that price I'd be expecting some decent Recaro bucket/period seats, rollcage, special engine build and set-up.

Echo's me of Jack Olsen's 911 (below)




Although I prefer the earlier look of the Olsen car.

Full One Car To Do It All (Petrolicious video) here

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.

Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.

What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..

So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!

Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!

Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.

You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!

Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!

Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
Price aside I think you're being unfair. Thats a lovely rep. It needs LWT seats though

Koln-RS

3,849 posts

211 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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It might look lovely to some eyes, at the dizzy heights of the current market, but it and many other 'recreations' would be a very high risk buy IMO. Many are old cars slapped up with a lot of make up to create something that they aren't. Big dealers might be able to entice high prices, but a private seller would struggle.

If I was buying an air-cooled 911, whatever the variant, as a potential collectable, that would provide a lot of enjoyment and hopefully protect my investment, my key criteria would be - ex-factory originality, low mileage, full history, excellent condition (patina of use), desirable model, sought after spec. That's the safest bet.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Something like this?









smile

Sports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits cloud9

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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You in Putney IMI A ? Lovely car btw

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th October 11:06

P50

Original Poster:

1,029 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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IMI A said:
Something like this?

smile

Sports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits cloud9
Yes this is the sort of thing that should command a meaty premium over a 100k mile plus car with X owners and plenty of paint

A lovely thing! I bet it wasn't cheap from Hairpin when you bought it pro-rata but may seem value today...

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Adam B said:
You in Putney IMI A ? Lovely car btw

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th October 11:06
No Silver Arrows took those pics. I bought the car from them.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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P50 said:
IMI A said:
Something like this?

smile

Sports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits cloud9
Yes this is the sort of thing that should command a meaty premium over a 100k mile plus car with X owners and plenty of paint

A lovely thing! I bet it wasn't cheap from Hairpin when you bought it pro-rata but may seem value today...
Thanks P50. Hairpin have actually sold the car twice in the past but I bought it from Silver Arrows as previously mentioned. Michael Lavers who owns Silver Arrows had bought the car for himself so he doesn't rack up the miles on his white 87 ultra low miles turbo. In todays market you'd say I knicked the car but at the time it was the top end of what you'd pay for one of these. Original panel car with a small bit of cosmetic paint here and there (all documented). i spoke to Neil who owns Hairpin recently as I bought a 964 C2 from them and he remembers my 3.2c like yesterday even down to the oversize 9 inch rear fuchs which the very last cars to leave the factory received. All I gave Neil was the number plate and amazingly he automatically knew which one it was as he's sold it on more than a few occasions. Surprised me as he must have sold a lot of cars over the years. About 7 years ago when good ones were changing hand for £15k I remember seeing my car in 911 and Porscheworld for £22k - wish I'd bought it then but even then the vendor was asking miles more than the going rate for a good car! 75000 of these cars made but there can't be many rust free spotless cars out there now.

david hockney

1,198 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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IMI A said:
Something like this?









smile

Sports seats, 66k miles, factory short shift, FSH 1989. Ex Hairpin car. Love it to bits cloud9
That looks fantastic....I love the spoiler delete look- clean and old skool...wonderful!

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Thanks and slightly off topic even in this mad market I'm still a buyer of good straight low mileage 3.2C and 964 C2. With RS models at silly money and rightly so I have a feeling 3.2C and 964 C2 will go the same way as early less sporty pre impact bumper911s. A concourse 2.4T sold for $200,000 last year which in my view is completely bonkers for such a breathless car.

Its also a little bit unfair to call the air-cooled earlier cars like the 3.2C and 964 C2 less sporty than their RS cousins because if you look at current RS models and their cooking cousins the gap is massive. In 1989 the difference between a Carrera Club Sport and a Carrera or a bit later a 964 RS and C2 whilst detailed weren't as different as todays cars are. The 997 RS for example has a completely different engine to the cooking 997!

I'm also surprised a few people on here to say that they found their 3.2Cs slow. My dd is a 997 turbo and on a give and take twisty my 3.2C wouldn't be much slower and it is a heck of a lot more entertaining to drive. In the 3.2C you feel you can use all of its power but in the turbo you daren't come out of third gear on twists for fear of going straight through a hedge its so bloody quick in straight line. I've driven a 1972 RS which is mad money and unobtainable and a 3.2C within a few days of each other and yes the RS was more free revving and lightweight but for point to point pace there would be nothing in it - and from an engineering standpoint the 3.2C engine is the pinnacle of that particular line of engines. It will have its day if it isn't already starting to have its day. The max cap I think for one of these with ultra low miles is £50k so it will be interesting to see if these £75-£80k cars on the market currently do sell.

labrit

321 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.

Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.

What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..

So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!

Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!

Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.

You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!

Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!

Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.

In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.

It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it. Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.



Edited by labrit on Tuesday 14th October 23:04

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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labrit said:
P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.

Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.

What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..

So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!

Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!

Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.

You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!

Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!

Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.

In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.

It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it. Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.



Edited by labrit on Tuesday 14th October 23:04
Its gorgeous and will sell no doubt at the right price as theres always a bit of flexibility in pricing and every one knows its often difficult to get back what you spend. The only thing I may have be done differently is gone for a lairy 70s colour like orange, mint green or pastel blue and I think it may even have achieved the asking price. For me the period colours would have set the IROC look off perfectly. At £500k for a real one this is an affordable way in.

P50

Original Poster:

1,029 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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labrit said:
P50 said:
And here we go again... £80k seems quite a fashionable figure these days for a G50 resto.

Take a rather leggy 144,000 mile late SSE coupe which I will suspect and per usual had a tired interior and commensurate worn out engine.

What shall we do with this old girl lads?! Chuck it on Ebay? Don't be silly. We'll make this one into an RSR rep as it's a wide body..

So blah blah blah speil speil speil, sprinkle it with magic dust (fibreglass magic dust that is!) and all of a sudden "shazaam" - it's an 80 grand car!!!

Until of course you want to chop it in. Then the brutal truth becomes horribly apparent and you are brutally kicked in the jacobs as it's not one thing or the other..!!

Also listed with 6407 miles! Because that's when the engine was rebuilt!! Err OK.

You gotta love artistic licence! So it seems you can polish a turd once it has been rolled in copious amounts of glitter!

Original Fuchs at the front! That's handy! For 80 large I wan't original Fuchs on the back if you don't mind!

Are we in full bubble mode or is this the new order?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...


Edited by P50 on Tuesday 14th October 05:45
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.

In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.

It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it. Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.



Edited by labrit on Tuesday 14th October 23:04
"Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want".

Sorry?

I think your car is very nice visually.

I could not care less what it owes you. I do however think it's a 144,000 mile SSE which is NOT worth 80 grand. Or at least to me.

How on earth do you arrive at that figure anyway? I'm sorry but for the price asked I would expect rear Fuchs heat cycles or not. Why didn't you buy new?

You are symptomatic of the chancers who are hyping the market with unremarkable messed with machines.



labrit

321 posts

182 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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P50 said:
"Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want".

Sorry?

I think your car is very nice visually.

I could not care less what it owes you. I do however think it's a 144,000 mile SSE which is NOT worth 80 grand. Or at least to me.

How on earth do you arrive at that figure anyway? I'm sorry but for the price asked I would expect rear Fuchs heat cycles or not. Why didn't you buy new?

You are symptomatic of the chancers who are hyping the market with unremarkable messed with machines.
The difference between us is that i don't care what it owes me either. Like i said - you're a miserable git that clearly can't afford the car they want, hence the thread.

g7jhp

6,959 posts

237 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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labrit said:
The car is mine and had a hell of a lot of work which will be appreciated by some, not by others as pointed out by your comments. It's a usable and completed project that has had no expense spared and would cost far more than 80k to replicate. It's just come back from Porsche 9 Excellence where it had a full engine and transmission out refresh, new oil cooler, tank, fuel pump, hoses, clips, heat exchangers etc etc etc.

In regards to the wheels perhaps take the time to think how difficult it is to find original Fuchs that have not been through copious amounts of heat cycles that can reduce the strength of the wheel. I was informed the fronts were fine and that the rears were better off being Braid which are TUV certified.

It's quite simple - if someone loves the look, sound and feel of the car they will pay the money for it.
Josh your response (above) would have been fine (without the need for the name calling below).

labrit said:
Clearly your'e an angry chap who knows more than everyone else, i hope you slagging it off made you feel like King Kong in your little world. Or perhaps i'm wrong and you're just a miserable git without the dosh to buy what they want.
If you put your car up for sale for such a high price you've got to expect there's going to be some discussion on that price.

Your car looks nice although as a previous 3.2 Carrera owner(and ImpactBumpers member) it's hard to see how you justify an £80k price.

Moving the spec of a car from factory, cuts down your market and often devalues the car rather than adding value. Most of the guys on ImpactBumpers do these projects as a bit of fun as their cars are keepers and understand that spending money on a hobby doesn't guarantee a return or increase the value by the same amount.

I then realised this was gt two's old car from Impact Bumpers build thread here which you bought in June 2013.

I don't know what you paid for the car but even in the current "aircooled bubble" the pricing seems unrealistic.

You may be better returning your 3.2 SSE to standard (if you have the standard parts) and selling the period parts independently.

You may be luckier and find a buyer who wants your car as it stands.





P50

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1,029 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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labrit said:
The difference between us is that i don't care what it owes me either. Like i said - you're a miserable git that clearly can't afford the car they want, hence the thread.
Whoever buys your bastardised abortion of a Porsche deserves what they get.

I could buy your car in a blink of an eye but wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.


My 3.2 cost a lot less than your "thing" and is original throughout. I'm simply tired of seeing old junk being priced way in excess of grade A machines.

A short while back old nasty 3.2's were converted into lookalikes as their value was paltry. Noone would mess up a really nice car so its not hard to do the maths is it?