More hype and plain silliness

[IMIA]

355Chris355 said:

There are signs at this auction that the buyers were only willing to back the Blue Chip investment grade supercars.

Sensible buyers IMO. Having said that no matter how rare a GT2, GT3 RS or GT2 RS is I'd still have a Lambo or a Fezza over them any day. They're never £160k to £300k cars just no way based on the experience. They're just 911 after all.

There was a point where it looked like a GT3 RS 4.0 was more than or equal to the value of Carrera GT. Thats just daft based on what they both actually are. May still happen mind in terms of certain 911's surpassing CGTs

[355Chris355]

anonymous said:

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Yep having sat through the 3 hour auction I do believe it's an inflection point (I rather like that word)

All the figures you quoted are inclusive of auction fees.

[Wozy68]

WOW, A 308gt4 SELLS FOR 33k?

Look outside the box ...... ALL 'classic' cars are at silly prices ...... It aint just older Porsche, and def not a 993 which fun v value is a bit of a bargain IMO.

308GT4 ....... As much fun as a wet wipe at a German Gangbang....... Blimey.

[footsoldier]

£33k...that's pocket money. Try £75k...

http://foskers.com/sales-cars/349/1980-ferrari-308...

[Wozy68]

anonymous said:

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A 16V version of the 328 (The very slow version) was 4 years ago up for sale for ages for £16K.

Now how much are they worth ...... yet some complain about prices of old vanilla 911s that would be twice as good and twice as quick.... our old 911s are rightly or wrongly just playing catch-up.

[mollytherocker]

anonymous said:

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I think he does yes, the FI was only 240bhp as opposed to 280bhp of the carbs?

The quattrovolve came later didnt it? 88 maybe?

[Slippydiff]

anonymous said:

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^This.

YHM

[Slippydiff]

mollytherocker said:

I think he does yes, the FI was only 240bhp as opposed to 280bhp of the carbs?

The quattrovolve came later didnt it? 88 maybe?

Carb : 255 (Italian) horses. Safe to say 230-235

Injection : 214 hp

QV : 240hp

[mollytherocker]

That'll teach me for not checking my numbers before posting!

[Wozy68]

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[Axel987]

you`d be surprised how peppy alot of the ferraries are. Seen some very impressive dynos in relation to factory numbers...

You can slate the italians for many things, but the engines arent one of them in my experience.

Ferrari engines are great!

As old Enzo used to say. "You pay for the engine, the rest is for free"

[Slippydiff]

Axel987 said:

you`d be surprised how peppy alot of the ferraries are. Seen some very impressive dynos in relation to factory numbers...

You can slate the italians for many things, but the engines arent one of them in my experience.

They need miles on them, (some say 20k before they're fully run in) A quick look will show that a fair percentage of cars on the market have less than that mileage despite being 10, 20 ,30 years old and having been polished to within an inch of their lives, when in reality they need thrashing to within an inch of their lives.

[Axel987]

Friend of mine has a 550 with 102.000 miles on it, we dynoed it on a Maha dyno - 433 bhp on the rears! Not too shabby! Most of the italian stallions seems to be there even after 100k..

[Axel987]

10-15 E36 M3s... hmm well. wouldnt bet against it but I think id rather cottonwrap a couple of F430 manuals...

[mollytherocker]

anonymous said:

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I am fully aware that this is going on, but goddamn is it depressing. Its just wrong.

[Axel987]

anonymous said:

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An F430 manual, well last manual V8 midmotor ferrari? hmm its all speculation but look at the Dino...

[P50]

IMIA said:

g7jhp said:

IMIA said:

Good spot!

Great looking car.

Do you prefer your 964 to the 3.2 from a driving perspective?

I think the 3.2C is the better and more honest drive. Only keeping the 964 C2 as its far easier for the Mrs to drive. Honestly not bothered if the 3.2C doesn't sell - not sure if I can see myself in a Fezza.

So, have we had any serious enquiries/firm offers at the very top of the (3.2 Coupe) market old boy?

[g7jhp]

anonymous said:

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I find it amazing that people are trying to invest in certain cars at present because the ship has sailed on the true classics.

It's a bit like the ripple effect and buying in an area a few miles from a prime location.

I think the E46 would be a better buy than the E36. Looks better IMO, well received, newer and has the CSL and CS as halo models.

Again it's all greed, buy cars to drive and enjoy - any upside is a bonus offset v running costs.

Edited by g7jhp on Saturday 4th April 08:31

[IMIA]

P50 said:

IMIA said:

g7jhp said:

IMIA said:

Good spot!

Great looking car.

Do you prefer your 964 to the 3.2 from a driving perspective?

I think the 3.2C is the better and more honest drive. Only keeping the 964 C2 as its far easier for the Mrs to drive. Honestly not bothered if the 3.2C doesn't sell - not sure if I can see myself in a Fezza.

So, have we had any serious enquiries/firm offers at the very top of the (3.2 Coupe) market old boy?

No but not bothered. Had a few serious "offers" asking if I'd be wiling to take £60k. I will not sell her for that as she's almost perfect from an originality persective. If someone wants a cheaper car they should buy the Dick Lovett car. Lovely but not as nice as mine!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

When this is £500k albeit very rare car etc I know the real deal 3.2C air-cooled experience is cheap by comparison at £80k and if someone knows anything about driving the better car. Also the long hoods are average to drive by comparison unless you have a 2.7 RS!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Hexagon also have a few well priced 3.2C in guards. Ones a targa but the best of the lot condition.

I'm off for a morning drive in a mo in one of them with the kids!

[Crimp]

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Well this has been for sale for well over a year.
Would suggest based on the silly prices at the moment, that in relative terms if you got it for 40k and based on the very low miles its a reasonable price. I certainly wouldn't pay an extra 20k to be sat on the right.