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Black_mamba said:
Not sure if anyone has noticed, and not sure when it happened (I might be hopelessly out of date) but it appears that the Paul Stephens car that started this thread back in October (check page 1) now has a deposit on it. The market seems to have caught up to the price (although no idea if it got that). Interesting though reading back through selected pages how what was deemed as very expensive now seems kinda okay value wise. Looks like the air cooled boat continues to sail away and ever upward...
£79,995 for a restored 3.2C - thats quite something.IMI A said:
Black_mamba said:
Not sure if anyone has noticed, and not sure when it happened (I might be hopelessly out of date) but it appears that the Paul Stephens car that started this thread back in October (check page 1) now has a deposit on it. The market seems to have caught up to the price (although no idea if it got that). Interesting though reading back through selected pages how what was deemed as very expensive now seems kinda okay value wise. Looks like the air cooled boat continues to sail away and ever upward...
£79,995 for a restored 3.2C - thats quite something.Black_mamba said:
IMI A said:
Black_mamba said:
Not sure if anyone has noticed, and not sure when it happened (I might be hopelessly out of date) but it appears that the Paul Stephens car that started this thread back in October (check page 1) now has a deposit on it. The market seems to have caught up to the price (although no idea if it got that). Interesting though reading back through selected pages how what was deemed as very expensive now seems kinda okay value wise. Looks like the air cooled boat continues to sail away and ever upward...
£79,995 for a restored 3.2C - thats quite something.Black_mamba said:
Not sure if anyone has noticed, and not sure when it happened (I might be hopelessly out of date) but it appears that the Paul Stephens car that started this thread back in October (check page 1) now has a deposit on it. The market seems to have caught up to the price (although no idea if it got that). Interesting though reading back through selected pages how what was deemed as very expensive now seems kinda okay value wise. Looks like the air cooled boat continues to sail away and ever upward...
The asking price isn't necessarily the sale price and one sale doesn't set the market. All it takes is one cash rich, time poor city boy and it's sold.
Only an owner would see a 120k mile restored standard 3.2 Carrera as "okay value wise" at £80k.
g7jhp said:
The asking price isn't necessarily the sale price and one sale doesn't set the market.
All it takes is one cash rich, time poor city boy and it's sold.
Only an owner would see a 120k mile restored standard 3.2 Carrera as "okay value wise" at £80k.
Its a nut and bolt resto so the punters bought a new car if the standard of work is up to scratch. £80k who knows but to put in real perspective even at full whack thats less than a new 991 Carrera S. Quite a few PHers would take the old timer money no object. All it takes is one cash rich, time poor city boy and it's sold.
Only an owner would see a 120k mile restored standard 3.2 Carrera as "okay value wise" at £80k.
IMI A said:
Its a nut and bolt resto so the punters bought a new car if the standard of work is up to scratch. £80k who knows but to put in real perspective even at full whack thats less than a new 991 Carrera S. Quite a few PHers would take the old timer money no object.
Yep I know the detail as I followed the rebuild. If you had to do the rebuild it would have cost a lot due to the amount of metal which had to be added to areas where rust had taken hold, but what you spend on maintenance/repairs can't always be recouped on these projects.I'm prefer a nice 3.2 Carrera over a new 991 Carrera S (money aside) and a new car is going to depreciate, but it doesn't mean a 3.2 Carrera is worth that kind of money.
g7jhp said:
Yep I know the detail as I followed the rebuild. If you had to do the rebuild it would have cost a lot due to the amount of metal which had to be added to areas where rust had taken hold, but what you spend on maintenance/repairs can't always be recouped on these projects.
I'm prefer a nice 3.2 Carrera over a new 991 Carrera S (money aside) and a new car is going to depreciate, but it doesn't mean a 3.2 Carrera is worth that kind of money.
Read your last sentence again. You see the contradiction? This is whats driving the market.I'm prefer a nice 3.2 Carrera over a new 991 Carrera S (money aside) and a new car is going to depreciate, but it doesn't mean a 3.2 Carrera is worth that kind of money.
Axel987 said:
comparing it to a 991 which is a immensely expensive and undesirable 911 imo is a bit wrong. a 3.2 is worth 40 grand tops end of.
it aint any better than a SC, or a 911S 2.7, or a 964 or a 993. 20-40 grand everything over is speculation
A 3.2 is worth 40 grand tops end of?it aint any better than a SC, or a 911S 2.7, or a 964 or a 993. 20-40 grand everything over is speculation
I am afraid that you are very wrong. By some margin.
Should have added - in my opinion 
Just bought a SC. Euro 79 without a sunroof. Freshly rebuilt brand new engine with JBL 9:8:1 pistons, dougherty 964 cams, SSI`s - the works.
Elephant racing stuff in the suspension, Bilstein B6 clubsport shocks, Recaro Pole Positions, the works. Paid a little over 23 grand for it. Stunning car.
Ive had 3.2`s before, prefer SCs. more zingy and mechanical in character, more of the ur-911 feel really. So in my view the SCs are even more valuable than the 3.2s.
LHD of cource, RHD cars are a bit weird to drive in comparison. the never got that conversion quite right with the pedals etc.
Just bought a SC. Euro 79 without a sunroof. Freshly rebuilt brand new engine with JBL 9:8:1 pistons, dougherty 964 cams, SSI`s - the works.
Elephant racing stuff in the suspension, Bilstein B6 clubsport shocks, Recaro Pole Positions, the works. Paid a little over 23 grand for it. Stunning car.
Ive had 3.2`s before, prefer SCs. more zingy and mechanical in character, more of the ur-911 feel really. So in my view the SCs are even more valuable than the 3.2s.
LHD of cource, RHD cars are a bit weird to drive in comparison. the never got that conversion quite right with the pedals etc.
mollytherocker said:
g7jhp said:
Yep I know the detail as I followed the rebuild. If you had to do the rebuild it would have cost a lot due to the amount of metal which had to be added to areas where rust had taken hold, but what you spend on maintenance/repairs can't always be recouped on these projects.
I'm prefer a nice 3.2 Carrera over a new 991 Carrera S (money aside) and a new car is going to depreciate, but it doesn't mean a 3.2 Carrera is worth that kind of money.
Read your last sentence again. You see the contradiction? This is whats driving the market.I'm prefer a nice 3.2 Carrera over a new 991 Carrera S (money aside) and a new car is going to depreciate, but it doesn't mean a 3.2 Carrera is worth that kind of money.
I'd prefer a MX5 Mk1 to a new Golf Diesel but that doesn't mean an MX5 is worth £20k.
The pool of people who would take actually spend their money (not just talk) on a 3.2 Carrera over a nice new 991 Carrera is very small - the 3.2 looks great but the majority find it agricultural and heavy compared to modern cars - something you grow to love, but many won't give it the time.
I agree they will never be £15-20k cars unless they need work, but when the current bubble bursts (which is will as these things go in cycles) then the price of 3.2's will drop along with other classics.
...3.0 Carrera...sold £70k
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/983/Carrer...
still plenty of buyers out there for decent cars, just not enough decent cars around!
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/983/Carrer...
still plenty of buyers out there for decent cars, just not enough decent cars around!
an Anniversary 3.2C ( 29k miles and mint) sold through Hexagon for circa £85k. They are defo selling through dealers who have a good reputation. 3.2 Carrera CS with 40k miles through Hexagon (okay condition nothing special) £179,995.
Whatever anyone says about relative values and bubbles (i've heard and listened to this since 2006 to my detriment) the old timers even impact bumpers are starting to fly.
Whatever anyone says about relative values and bubbles (i've heard and listened to this since 2006 to my detriment) the old timers even impact bumpers are starting to fly.
both. and add a bit of history to that. the Carrera 3.0 is the successor to the Carrera 2.7 which im sure nobody in here needs a lecture on.
Porsche deemed the added mid-range torque enough to see the C3 as a worthy following, additionally its the early 930 engine sans the turbos, much lighter than a 3.2 and a zingyness that the later models can only dream of.
As I said, from my "qualified" perspective - I`d pay 50% more for a C3 than 3.2. The Carrera 3.2 is a decent aircooled but not the best of them, some would say the worst from a driving point of perspective. I like a SC over a 3.2 and a C3 over a SC.
The 3.2 is a bit of a dog, heavy and lazy.
Porsche deemed the added mid-range torque enough to see the C3 as a worthy following, additionally its the early 930 engine sans the turbos, much lighter than a 3.2 and a zingyness that the later models can only dream of.
As I said, from my "qualified" perspective - I`d pay 50% more for a C3 than 3.2. The Carrera 3.2 is a decent aircooled but not the best of them, some would say the worst from a driving point of perspective. I like a SC over a 3.2 and a C3 over a SC.
The 3.2 is a bit of a dog, heavy and lazy.
Axel987 said:
both. and add a bit of history to that. the Carrera 3.0 is the successor to the Carrera 2.7 which im sure nobody in here needs a lecture on.
Porsche deemed the added mid-range torque enough to see the C3 as a worthy following, additionally its the early 930 engine sans the turbos, much lighter than a 3.2 and a zingyness that the later models can only dream of.
As I said, from my "qualified" perspective - I`d pay 50% more for a C3 than 3.2. The Carrera 3.2 is a decent aircooled but not the best of them, some would say the worst from a driving point of perspective. I like a SC over a 3.2 and a C3 over a SC.
The 3.2 is a bit of a dog, heavy and lazy.
I've also been lucky enough to drive all 3 and I doubt you've driven a good 3.2C. The 2.7 MFI engine in the RS an old friend let me have a blast in is even lighter and better in terms of free revving and exciting power delivery but for road driving the 3.2C best engine of the lot IMO and the zenith of reliability. Its heavy but mines certainly not lazy or a dog. Each to their own .... Its funny how opinions change over the years lol! a mag says an SC is better than a 3.2C and all of a sudden thats gospel lol...Porsche deemed the added mid-range torque enough to see the C3 as a worthy following, additionally its the early 930 engine sans the turbos, much lighter than a 3.2 and a zingyness that the later models can only dream of.
As I said, from my "qualified" perspective - I`d pay 50% more for a C3 than 3.2. The Carrera 3.2 is a decent aircooled but not the best of them, some would say the worst from a driving point of perspective. I like a SC over a 3.2 and a C3 over a SC.
The 3.2 is a bit of a dog, heavy and lazy.
Ive owned 3 3.2`s all in rude health. Yes i know the 3.2 is the most reliable of the lot. Funny how the normal 2.7 in the S gets shat on while nothing is said of its famous twin, the 2.7 RS lol. Same block!
however - reliable doesnt mean most fun, and both the C3 and the SC is certainly more than reliable enough. Try an italian if you love scratching your head lol!
however - reliable doesnt mean most fun, and both the C3 and the SC is certainly more than reliable enough. Try an italian if you love scratching your head lol!
In '911' terms, as far as I understand it, the 2.7RS was/is a great car, the 2.7S wasn't. The 3.0 Carrera was good, but the SC was better and the 3.2 Carrera was better still, with a G50 worth the premium.
Aside from the 2.7RS, none of these cars are 'blue chip' collectibles, they are 'in demand' enthusiasts cars, because they are part of Porsche's history - when they were still a small independent sports car manufacturer - and deliver a unique and rewarding driving experience.
So, always wisest to buy the one that's nicest to own and drive, IMO
Aside from the 2.7RS, none of these cars are 'blue chip' collectibles, they are 'in demand' enthusiasts cars, because they are part of Porsche's history - when they were still a small independent sports car manufacturer - and deliver a unique and rewarding driving experience.
So, always wisest to buy the one that's nicest to own and drive, IMO
Very simplistic overview, not sure where to begin with that post. You seem to be of the opinion that nothing was lost for each generation that piled on weight and equipment. Wrong.
that a SC 180 bhp is better on any level than a C3 is just well wrong. took them another 3 years to get the power to C3 level.
I find early IB cars way more fun to drive than the porky 3.2`s. I love 3.2s get me wrong, but they are far from the best IB car IN MY OPINION.
Others feel free to disagree.
that a SC 180 bhp is better on any level than a C3 is just well wrong. took them another 3 years to get the power to C3 level.
I find early IB cars way more fun to drive than the porky 3.2`s. I love 3.2s get me wrong, but they are far from the best IB car IN MY OPINION.
Others feel free to disagree.
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