More hype and plain silliness

More hype and plain silliness

Author
Discussion

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
quotequote all
IMI A said:
Axel987 said:
a 3.0 carrera is way more valueable than a 3.2. Id pay 50% more for a C3 than 3.2
Are you basing this on numbers built or the way both cars drive?
I think most are confusing both things on here. But, its quite simple, its worth what the market says. The way it drives, the way it looks etc etc to you is if little relevance.

If a car is selling for 100k then thats its value. Simple.

That unmade bed by that funny looking woman sold for 10m was it? How did that drive?

Black_mamba

313 posts

209 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
quotequote all
mollytherocker said:
IMI A said:
Axel987 said:
a 3.0 carrera is way more valueable than a 3.2. Id pay 50% more for a C3 than 3.2
Are you basing this on numbers built or the way both cars drive?
I think most are confusing both things on here. But, its quite simple, its worth what the market says. The way it drives, the way it looks etc etc to you is if little relevance.

If a car is selling for 100k then thats its value. Simple.

That unmade bed by that funny looking woman sold for 10m was it? How did that drive?
Agree, the market price is exactly that, the price where a buyer and seller meet, all this tosh about 'value' and 'worth' flung about on many 'whats this worth' threads drives me barmy! I don't think my house is 'worth' what it is perceived to be, am I going to sell it for less, of course not! Opinions are one thing, deals done are another, we might all look into the sky and cry another 'yes' if you own some are cooled or a 'no' if you don't but right now prices are rising get used to it!

IMI A

9,410 posts

201 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
quotequote all
Axel987 said:
Ive owned 3 3.2`s all in rude health. Yes i know the 3.2 is the most reliable of the lot. Funny how the normal 2.7 in the S gets shat on while nothing is said of its famous twin, the 2.7 RS lol. Same block!

however - reliable doesnt mean most fun, and both the C3 and the SC is certainly more than reliable enough. Try an italian if you love scratching your head lol!
They just need a bit of tweaking and you can have very exciting car indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJuTKO27NOc#t=373

Never you mind

1,507 posts

112 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
quotequote all
Bit out of my price range by about 400 odd grand but is this worth the money? Seems to have been up for sale for a long time.

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/964...


P50

Original Poster:

1,034 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
mollytherocker said:
A 3.2 is worth 40 grand tops end of?

I am afraid that you are very wrong. By some margin.
This "restored" RHD long bonnet S made £400k.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22723/lot/329/

A high tide drags up dinghies and cruise liners.

A mint 3.2 unrestored G50 coupe will be £100k soon (now? given the silver G50 was up for £80k) and given this S is not an RS then can be considered a bit of a bargain.

The whole market is insane but it is wot it is..

pete a

3,799 posts

184 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
Never you mind said:
Bit out of my price range by about 400 odd grand but is this worth the money? Seems to have been up for sale for a long time.

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/964...
No of course it's not worth that much, that doesn't mean that some lunatic won't buy it, it also doesn't mean the same lunatic might then sell it in a few years and make a big profit, or they could lose a lot as well???


P50

Original Poster:

1,034 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
Insanity becomes the new normal!

I'm aghast at the new highs being achieved.

It's all about confidence and liquidity of the punter.

I personally think a stiff correction is due. But the train could rattle on for some time yet....

Crimp

909 posts

187 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
P50 said:
Insanity becomes the new normal!

I'm aghast at the new highs being achieved.

It's all about confidence and liquidity of the punter.

I personally think a stiff correction is due. But the train could rattle on for some time yet....
I'm of the same opinion
The same scenario happened in the late 80's and eventually it came tumbling down, it will steady off eventually

g7jhp

6,964 posts

238 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
Crimp said:
P50 said:
Insanity becomes the new normal!

I'm aghast at the new highs being achieved.

It's all about confidence and liquidity of the punter.

I personally think a stiff correction is due. But the train could rattle on for some time yet....
I'm of the same opinion
The same scenario happened in the late 80's and eventually it came tumbling down, it will steady off eventually
+3 you've got to have bottle to buy at present or a screw loose.

It's not if, it's a question of when and how far!



P50

Original Poster:

1,034 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
g7jhp said:
+3 you've got to have bottle to buy at present or a screw loose.

It's not if, it's a question of when and how far!
400 grand sterling for a non RS longbonnet RHD 911 is outrageous money. I wouldn't sleep well on that. But like high end art the prices just shift north to new mega highs.

But remember this. We are but normal dudes in a very liquid solvent world. Is it like musical chairs where someone is going to get royally stuffed?

Or is it the uber riche'/hedge fund boys investing their (and other peoples) money?!!

Who gives a crap what your Mr 9-5 makes and has to spend when proper players are in another universe. Drinking 10 grand bottles of Petrus!

Your normal youngster coming out of university is saddled with student debt and will invariably be renting 'till death. Meanwhile abstract paintings sell for the price of hospital wings.

Time will be the judge. Not us.



Edited by P50 on Thursday 2nd July 20:05

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
Crimp said:
P50 said:
Insanity becomes the new normal!

I'm aghast at the new highs being achieved.

It's all about confidence and liquidity of the punter.

I personally think a stiff correction is due. But the train could rattle on for some time yet....
I'm of the same opinion
The same scenario happened in the late 80's and eventually it came tumbling down, it will steady off eventually
Keep dreaming guys because its not going to happen. Its a correction that was long over due. Its up and up from here on.


Scooty100

1,469 posts

116 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
mollytherocker said:
Keep dreaming guys because its not going to happen. Its a correction that was long over due. Its up and up from here on.
Not sure about that and I'm long too !

Black_mamba

313 posts

209 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
Sorry I'm a bit slow so be gentle with me. Can any of the 'its due for a correction' brigade explain to me why that is going to happen (btw its been going to happen for 2 years so far....). Please remember to take a look at all classic cars not just Porsche. Cash is cheap, deposit returns are poor, the market for these commodity items (check your definitions here) (as in finite resources) are now global, not just UK, not just Europe, but the world is wanting this stuff. It is a shame that most cars that could have been bought 'reasonably' are now out of reach of many enthusiasts, I'm sure that they would love them and drive them as opposed to sitting on an internet forum discussing values but c'est la vie. They ain't making any more of this stuff guys, time to wake up...boat has set sail and is heading for the horizon...unless of course you can convince me otherwise

Edited by Black_mamba on Thursday 2nd July 21:55

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
P50 said:
Meanwhile abstract paintings sell for the price of hospital wings.

Edited by P50 on Thursday 2nd July 20:05
Yeh, shocking isnt it? And pure reality. Its been going on since the dawn of time and will never end. So get used to it.

P50

Original Poster:

1,034 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
Black_mamba said:
Sorry I'm a bit slow so be gentle with me. Can any of the 'its due for a correction' brigade explain to me why that is going to happen (btw its been going to happen for 2 years so far....). Please remember to take a look at all classic cars not just Porsche. Cash is cheap, deposit returns are poor, the market for these commodity items (check your definitions here) (as in finite resources) are now global, not just UK, not just Europe, but the world is wanting this stuff. It is a shame that most cars that could have been bought 'reasonably' are now out of reach of many enthusiasts, I'm sure that they would love them and drive them as opposed to sitting on an internet forum discussing values but c'est la vie. They ain't making any more of this stuff guys, time to wake up...boat has set sail and is heading for the horizon...unless of course you can convince me otherwise

Edited by Black_mamba on Thursday 2nd July 21:55
The world is insane. Beheadings and abject poverty/violence.

£9k diamond encrusted dummies for the new born in Boodles.

Until the revolution the stuff we all considered normal entry level will drift away.

I'm an epic luddite/realist but cannot see what will make all
collectible bull markets fall out of bed.

But I'm willing to listen!

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
anonymous said:
[redacted]
I think thats rather an optimistic view. I am no economist, just a watcher from the side lines.

From what I see the chasm of wealth/poverty is widening. And I see no reason for that to decline.

P50

Original Poster:

1,034 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
quotequote all
mollytherocker said:
I think thats rather an optimistic view. I am no economist, just a watcher from the side lines.

From what I see the chasm of wealth/poverty is widening. And I see no reason for that to decline.
Endorsed

MisterJD

146 posts

111 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
quotequote all
993 carrera 2 S wide boy / manual = £80,000 confused

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C561686

Turbo Jonny

46 posts

111 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
quotequote all
A few possibilities why prices could fall


Capital gains tax introduced on collectors cars

Speed controls , driverless cars are coming

Then the usaul are all possible ;

Rising rates , recession , financial crisis , war

Market saturation , ultra rich fashions change , younger
Generation not so interested in cars

Take your pick !



Koln-RS

3,864 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
quotequote all
Turbo Jonny said:
A few possibilities why prices could fall


Capital gains tax introduced on collectors cars - Very unlikely, as we could then offset losses

Speed controls , driverless cars are coming In many ways that's exactly why many classics are so sought after. They deliver a more involving driving experience at accessible speeds. And a world where everyone is forced to drive a fully automated car everywhere is fantasyland

Then the usaul are all possible ;

Rising rates , recession , financial crisis , war These are everyday eventualities and, again, one of the reasons this market has grown - with all the issues around the world so many people want something tangible they can use and enjoy

Market saturation , ultra rich fashions change , younger
Generation not so interested in cars.

[b] Yet again, very unlikely, our obsession with cars has only ever proliferated. The best collectibles are now ranked alongside art, antiques, etc. There was a false start in the late '80s, but this is now a pretty robust market.
My concern would be for the overpriced tat that will definitely burn some fingers - many examples of which have been featured in this thread [/b]



Take your pick !
Edited by Koln-RS on Tuesday 7th July 09:20