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It's RS -20mm. Dont worry, i'm used to extreme set ups on the road so hopefully it will be fine.
I want to get as much performance as i can realisticaly achive on track but want to keep the engine and box spec as standard as poss so i need to be a little extreme on the chassis to find the performance.
I want to get as much performance as i can realisticaly achive on track but want to keep the engine and box spec as standard as poss so i need to be a little extreme on the chassis to find the performance.
Edited by Steve Rance on Friday 10th July 15:57
Steve Rance said:
Hi Richie
I'm not familiar with the relative lap times around that circuit. How do they compare with the old Toyo's in terms of lap time?
I have just been to see him as we have a session together this weekend at the NBR GP circuit. He is currently just finishing this full nut & bolt resto on a turbo (full Engine & Gbox strip, interior, exterior, new glass all round, becker classic hifi with GPS...) I'm not familiar with the relative lap times around that circuit. How do they compare with the old Toyo's in terms of lap time?
Sorry for the side track, he said at Spa he was doing 2.58min laps in the 964RS with the R888's and 2.03min at the Hockenheim Ring if I remember correctly: Here is his RS tucked away in his other workshop:
And his 3.0 will be getting a good spanking this Sunday with me
Steve Rance said:
Impressive. What mods does that car have?
Sean was one of the best 911 drivers that I knew and a good friend. I still find it hard to accept
Indeed, Sean is still much missed. He was a great friend to the 964RS community and often accompanied them to Spa as their instructor.Sean was one of the best 911 drivers that I knew and a good friend. I still find it hard to accept
Ian's 964 cup is as standard as they come as far as I know. Except for the bigger road mirrors which are more friendly for the journey (the car is road legal). He too was with us at Spa this week and I remember us having a drag race up the Kemmel. There was not much in it between my C2 and his cup in a straight line. Here, they are together resting up after a good day on track:
Steve Rance said:
It's RS -20mm. Dont worry, i'm used to extreme set ups on the road so hopefully it will be fine.
I want to get as much performance as i can realisticaly achive on track but want to keep the engine and box spec as standard as poss so i need to be a little extreme on the chassis to find the performance.
Fair points... and good on you for keeping engine/box standard.I want to get as much performance as i can realisticaly achive on track but want to keep the engine and box spec as standard as poss so i need to be a little extreme on the chassis to find the performance.
Point was more from a compliance point of view re: speed bumps, driveways, etc. RS-20mm is hardcore!
avaF1 said:
Fair points... and good on you for keeping engine/box standard.
Point was more from a compliance point of view re: speed bumps, driveways, etc. RS-20mm is hardcore!
Fully understand. To be honest, the two aspects of the build that worry me slightly are the ride heights and spring/damper combo. If taken a no compromise option. It's a gamble. If it doesn't pay off I can always increase the ride heights and fit a set of B10'sPoint was more from a compliance point of view re: speed bumps, driveways, etc. RS-20mm is hardcore!
Steve Rance said:
avaF1 said:
Fair points... and good on you for keeping engine/box standard.
Point was more from a compliance point of view re: speed bumps, driveways, etc. RS-20mm is hardcore!
Fully understand. To be honest, the two aspects of the build that worry me slightly are the ride heights and spring/damper combo. If taken a no compromise option. It's a gamble. If it doesn't pay off I can always increase the ride heights and fit a set of B10'sPoint was more from a compliance point of view re: speed bumps, driveways, etc. RS-20mm is hardcore!
Colin Belton at ninemeister was very helpful with advice on dampers and ultimately supplied my Clubsports. Paul also suggested them. I've looked at the spring rates and I am reasonably confident that if the valving is as good as I'm told that it is, they should be spot on. It's good to hear from someone who has them fitted on their 964 and is happy with the results.
Looks great Steve .........recognise your location ...... and the red bad boy behind .......... 10- 15 years ago we all had64 RSs and a group of 10 or 12 would hit Spa and the Ring ... I ran mine on Avon Crossply slicks which I transported inside the car !!!!!!
They work well on smooth tyres .
Hope to see it soon as looks fun , maybe see you at the Classic this year ???
Peter
They work well on smooth tyres .
Hope to see it soon as looks fun , maybe see you at the Classic this year ???
Peter
boxsey said:
Steve Rance said:
Under 3 minutes is pretty good for 250 - 300bhp.
Thanks for the link on the towing eye. I'm still undecided on tyres - waiting for some feedback on the new Toyo's before i make up my mind. Have any of you guys tried them?
My Toyo 888s (year old) held up really well. It was approaching 30 degrees air temp at Spa and I ran them 32 psi hot all round. They coped easily with 20 minute sessions in the heat. Ken of 9E was blasting around all day too but I didn't get chance to ask him what he thought of the 888Rs.Thanks for the link on the towing eye. I'm still undecided on tyres - waiting for some feedback on the new Toyo's before i make up my mind. Have any of you guys tried them?
Here's Sean Edwards driving Ian Reynolds' beautiful 964 cup on 888s back in 2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDQ_hBEFjKA
The trouble is Steve, on my widebodied yellow 964 it is hard to compare the new 888r compared to the old 888 on my red narrow bodied 964. On the yellow one we had a pretty extreme set up with over 3 degrees on all corners, solid adjustable everything etc. The fact was that through the corners the car was on rails (note that several people drove it and spun who were not used to it
but a couple of us found that it was simply immense through the corners - in fact I'd go so far to say that I was surprised that it didn't drive at all like a 964 - trail braking simply not necessary at all. The issue we had was that the car was down on power - at the end of Kemmel could only reach 184kph where as in the red one we normally reach 230kph - very frustrating - it was a new purchase recently and with very low mileage the engine seemed fine, but we will need to investigate.
As a result the lap times were a struggle - 3,09 best, but frankly I could have got out and made a couple of tea down Kemmel and B1/B2.
The 888R have a much stiffer sidewall. That feels much better through the corners. On the red 964 with old 888 we run only 2,2 degrees all round, but with softer set up.
We have supercharged 964 with 340hp and that ran 2,58 but there are a few seconds to come off that since it was not on a track set up. Think anything under 3 minutes is good going for a 964 na.
https://youtu.be/D_LQyque-rQ
Steve Rance said:
Wheels have arrived from Germany. Nice quality
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