993 C2 manual Coupe - Values?
Discussion
avaF1 said:
erics said:
Having owned my 993 c2s manual for 5 years now, i would say 3 things that people tend to overlook:
Condition,
Condition,
Condition.
My car has 80k miles, but it does not matter.
Whether it is varioram, non varioram, 50k, 100k or 150k miles, these cars need money spent on it to keep them 100%.
At recent porsche gathering, my car put to shame cars with half the miles but only because i carefully spent £20k, time and effort over the past 3 years.
2 993 manual c2 with identical mileage could be worth £30k or £55k in my mind depending on how they have been treated in their life.
spending £20k in 3 years please explain how/on what!!Condition,
Condition,
Condition.
My car has 80k miles, but it does not matter.
Whether it is varioram, non varioram, 50k, 100k or 150k miles, these cars need money spent on it to keep them 100%.
At recent porsche gathering, my car put to shame cars with half the miles but only because i carefully spent £20k, time and effort over the past 3 years.
2 993 manual c2 with identical mileage could be worth £30k or £55k in my mind depending on how they have been treated in their life.
Respray, full suspension rebuild, re- new a/c , fix all oil leaks. I stopped at a full glass out respray, and could've carried on with all the interior. So 20k in 3 years no probs.
stichill99 said:
Yu must have started off with a pretty rough example if it needed £20k thrown at it!
I wouldn't say so ........ Mine is a very low owner, full OPC (in fact the same OPC for the first 18 years) and I have spent an absolute wedge on mine.Not 20K, but I've spent in the last 3.5 years over 6K on a full suspension refurb just about now finished, let alone 2.5K on servicing, replaced the dizzys and HT leads, all of which require doing whatever the age or (depending on how she's been driven) mileage.
She still needs a respray if I wanted her tip top though she has no rot, so that I'd guess would be another 6-8K. The clutch which has lasted 130K miles is probs on her last legs and that will be another 1.5K.
Saying that, I've driven 20K miles in her all over Western Europe, loved every minute and she hasn't let me down once. Lovely lovely 911 is the 993 manual C2/C4 IMHO.
Wozy68 said:
stichill99 said:
Yu must have started off with a pretty rough example if it needed £20k thrown at it!
I wouldn't say so ........ Mine is a very low owner, full OPC (in fact the same OPC for the first 18 years) and I have spent an absolute wedge on mine.Not 20K, but I've spent in the last 3.5 years over 6K on a full suspension refurb just about now finished, let alone 2.5K on servicing, replaced the dizzys and HT leads, all of which require doing whatever the age or (depending on how she's been driven) mileage.
She still needs a respray if I wanted her tip top though she has no rot, so that I'd guess would be another 6-8K. The clutch which has lasted 130K miles is probs on her last legs and that will be another 1.5K.
Saying that, I've driven 20K miles in her all over Western Europe, loved every minute and she hasn't let me down once. Lovely lovely 911 is the 993 manual C2/C4 IMHO.
P50 said:
Or buy a proper low mile unmessed with no stories FPSH car and simply service it...
I can't agree with that.....I've seen some shocking poor condition low mileage 'fully serviced' 911s.
They just cost more to purchase, if your an enthusiast that does not necessarily mean they cost any less to maintain correctly. A lot of expense is based on age related issues.
Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 21st July 21:04
haroonok said:
if we reckon these cars are worth 35-40k why is the first car in the classifieds a lovely looking C2 manual for 29k?
Having looked again I am going to say this is a scam. Its advertised in Oxon and the same phone number is advertising a low priced MG in Scotland.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
I'll second the opinion that to keep a 993 in good condition eats money. A friend and I both purchased low mileage examples some 12 years ago and they both needed thousands spent every year keeping them in good shape. I can't see how buying a low mileage 20 year old car today can be any better.
Orangecurry said:
Disagree strongly (as I have done previously).
No car needs thousands spending on it every year - unless it's a Ferrari and you do 30,000 miles PA of course.
Some Porsche owners spend 1000s per year - that's not the same thing.
Can you explain your point? With standard servicing maybe, but on older cars or if one is unlucky - for example my 997 has needed a new gearbox, 5 new coil packs, new PSE valve, 2 new air con condensers, ignition switch, rear road springs, coolant header tank, 2 services, front brakes, and 8 new tires in 2 and a half years. That's £10k on a 9 year old car, and there is some outstanding suspension work coming up. The warranty covered about £1500 of it but that's still £1000's a year and it was all pretty much stuff that was essential as it was preventing the car from going.No car needs thousands spending on it every year - unless it's a Ferrari and you do 30,000 miles PA of course.
Some Porsche owners spend 1000s per year - that's not the same thing.
Surely a 20+ year old 993 is going to have a constant list of worn out parts needing attention to keep it in good shape?
Here is a typical example of the Porsche-owner type (a) mathematical 'fail' 
Wozy68 said:
I wouldn't say so ........ Mine is a very low owner, full OPC (in fact the same OPC for the first 18 years) and I have spent an absolute wedge on mine.
Not 20K, but I've spent in the last 3.5 years over 6K on a full suspension refurb just about now finished, let alone 2.5K on servicing, replaced the dizzys and HT leads, all of which require doing whatever the age or (depending on how she's been driven) mileage.
You don't need new suspension every year, nor should you be spending 2.5k per year on servicing, so if you keep this car then the cost per year is very very low.Not 20K, but I've spent in the last 3.5 years over 6K on a full suspension refurb just about now finished, let alone 2.5K on servicing, replaced the dizzys and HT leads, all of which require doing whatever the age or (depending on how she's been driven) mileage.
Edited by Orangecurry on Friday 24th July 12:04
jakesmith said:
Orangecurry said:
Disagree strongly (as I have done previously).
No car needs thousands spending on it every year - unless it's a Ferrari and you do 30,000 miles PA of course.
Some Porsche owners spend 1000s per year - that's not the same thing.
Can you explain your point? With standard servicing maybe, but on older cars or if one is unlucky - for example my 997 has needed a new gearbox, 5 new coil packs, new PSE valve, 2 new air con condensers, ignition switch, rear road springs, coolant header tank, 2 services, front brakes, and 8 new tires in 2 and a half years. That's £10k on a 9 year old car, and there is some outstanding suspension work coming up. The warranty covered about £1500 of it but that's still £1000's a year and it was all pretty much stuff that was essential as it was preventing the car from going.No car needs thousands spending on it every year - unless it's a Ferrari and you do 30,000 miles PA of course.
Some Porsche owners spend 1000s per year - that's not the same thing.
But even if every 997 fails in all of these ways every 9 years, that's not the same as needing a new gearbox/condensors/coolant header/coil packs/brakes (whatever that means) every year?
(edited last line for clarity)
Edited by Orangecurry on Friday 24th July 12:08
Orangecurry said:
Here is a typical example of the Porsche-owner type (a) mathematical 'fail'
I agree it doesnt need all the work and money I have spent every year, it was a reply to another poster that he thought 20K spent over three years wasnt possible/required. I just pointed out that you possibly (or in my case at least could need to spend a wedge if that work is required) could. Wozy68 said:
I wouldn't say so ........ Mine is a very low owner, full OPC (in fact the same OPC for the first 18 years) and I have spent an absolute wedge on mine.
Not 20K, but I've spent in the last 3.5 years over 6K on a full suspension refurb just about now finished, let alone 2.5K on servicing, replaced the dizzys and HT leads, all of which require doing whatever the age or (depending on how she's been driven) mileage.
You don't need new suspension every year, nor should you be spending 2.5k per year on servicing, so if you keep this car then the cost per year is very very low.Not 20K, but I've spent in the last 3.5 years over 6K on a full suspension refurb just about now finished, let alone 2.5K on servicing, replaced the dizzys and HT leads, all of which require doing whatever the age or (depending on how she's been driven) mileage.
Edited by Orangecurry on Friday 24th July 12:04
The 2.5K on servicing was over four services over three years and was meant to be taken in the overal 3 year figure .... Which is LESS than I've spent on my wifes Alfa.
As you say, generally to keep a 993 up together is not that expensive a thing to do as long as certain items have not come to end of life. Then it can be expensive, like my suspension refurb.
Wozy68 said:
I agree it doesnt need all the work and money I have spent every year, it was a reply to another poster that he thought 20K spent over three years wasnt possible/required. I just pointed out that you possibly (or in my case at least could need to spend a wedge if that work is required) could.
The 2.5K on servicing was over four services over three years and was meant to be taken in the overal 3 year figure .... Which is LESS than I've spent on my wifes Alfa.
As you say, generally to keep a 993 up together is not that expensive a thing to do as long as certain items have not come to end of life. Then it can be expensive, like my suspension refurb.
Exactly.The 2.5K on servicing was over four services over three years and was meant to be taken in the overal 3 year figure .... Which is LESS than I've spent on my wifes Alfa.
As you say, generally to keep a 993 up together is not that expensive a thing to do as long as certain items have not come to end of life. Then it can be expensive, like my suspension refurb.
And if you are unlucky, then those items can all arrive at the same time.
But they still average out - for instance suspension should last at least 60k miles.
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