993 C2 manual Coupe - Values?
Discussion
Orangecurry said:
Exactly.
And if you are unlucky, then those items can all arrive at the same time.
But they still average out - for instance suspension should last at least 60k miles.
I've had 3 Porsches in the last 9 years and the one that was only 2 years old when I bought it was fine but the other 2 consistently emptied my wallet, whether the legendary build quality of the 993 was better I don't know but they are all much older cars now than the ones that keep causing me problems. Granted it's not the most representative sample sizeAnd if you are unlucky, then those items can all arrive at the same time.
But they still average out - for instance suspension should last at least 60k miles.
Tend to agree with OC. Some 993 owners have had some lumpy costs but they are not recurring expenses.
I would only add that the 993 community tends to include a high proportion of OCD-types (myself included). I bought a leggy C2 that was perfect mechanically and did not need any money spending on it.
That said, the car has just had a full bare metal re spray and is going to have an interior retrim in the near future.
Would never have bothered with anywhere near the same expense on a more modern car, but the 993 for me is the car that forgot time. Fully agree that older cars may have more bits that will need refreshing with age, but I don't think the 993s are that expensive to maintain when compared to other classics of a similar age.
I would only add that the 993 community tends to include a high proportion of OCD-types (myself included). I bought a leggy C2 that was perfect mechanically and did not need any money spending on it.
That said, the car has just had a full bare metal re spray and is going to have an interior retrim in the near future.
Would never have bothered with anywhere near the same expense on a more modern car, but the 993 for me is the car that forgot time. Fully agree that older cars may have more bits that will need refreshing with age, but I don't think the 993s are that expensive to maintain when compared to other classics of a similar age.
I certainly don't think a standard C2 manual 993 is an expensive car to maintain or even buy considering the performance and build quality.
My 993 has a impeccable service record and judging by the large folder of invoices etc has been maintained by previous owners irrespective of cost- subsequently in my years of ownership it has been far cheaper to run than I expected despite the fact I'm happy to fork out on anything that needed doing without question. Other than the usual annual service etc + new brake discs/ pads (as expected) -they are definitely a lot more cost effective than many other classics. I've spent some money on frivolous items that were not entirely necessary such as a new rear reflector ( the old one was slightly faded) - this comes with being a normal OCD 993 owner- but for sure- I have no complaints about general costs.
As is often the case though- now prices are continuing to rise it does change your ownership view - I used to pop out in the 993 all the time but now I'm somewhat more precious about when I use it and where I park it. Which is a shame.
My 993 has a impeccable service record and judging by the large folder of invoices etc has been maintained by previous owners irrespective of cost- subsequently in my years of ownership it has been far cheaper to run than I expected despite the fact I'm happy to fork out on anything that needed doing without question. Other than the usual annual service etc + new brake discs/ pads (as expected) -they are definitely a lot more cost effective than many other classics. I've spent some money on frivolous items that were not entirely necessary such as a new rear reflector ( the old one was slightly faded) - this comes with being a normal OCD 993 owner- but for sure- I have no complaints about general costs.
As is often the case though- now prices are continuing to rise it does change your ownership view - I used to pop out in the 993 all the time but now I'm somewhat more precious about when I use it and where I park it. Which is a shame.
david hockney said:
I certainly don't think a standard C2 manual 993 is an expensive car to maintain or even buy considering the performance and build quality.
My 993 has a impeccable service record and judging by the large folder of invoices etc has been maintained by previous owners irrespective of cost- subsequently in my years of ownership it has been far cheaper to run than I expected despite the fact I'm happy to fork out on anything that needed doing without question. Other than the usual annual service etc + new brake discs/ pads (as expected) -they are definitely a lot more cost effective than many other classics. I've spent some money on frivolous items that were not entirely necessary such as a new rear reflector ( the old one was slightly faded) - this comes with being a normal OCD 993 owner- but for sure- I have no complaints about general costs.
As is often the case though- now prices are continuing to rise it does change your ownership view - I used to pop out in the 993 all the time but now I'm somewhat more precious about when I use it and where I park it. Which is a shame.
Its only a shame because its your choice. Seriously, enjoy the car, chill. Its going up in value, thats actually a reason to use it MORE! Everybody has got this stuff wrong!My 993 has a impeccable service record and judging by the large folder of invoices etc has been maintained by previous owners irrespective of cost- subsequently in my years of ownership it has been far cheaper to run than I expected despite the fact I'm happy to fork out on anything that needed doing without question. Other than the usual annual service etc + new brake discs/ pads (as expected) -they are definitely a lot more cost effective than many other classics. I've spent some money on frivolous items that were not entirely necessary such as a new rear reflector ( the old one was slightly faded) - this comes with being a normal OCD 993 owner- but for sure- I have no complaints about general costs.
As is often the case though- now prices are continuing to rise it does change your ownership view - I used to pop out in the 993 all the time but now I'm somewhat more precious about when I use it and where I park it. Which is a shame.
Life is so precious and short, enjoy it now.
I'm with OC .. Having owned my 993 for 8 years now I have found it very inexpensive to maintain even to the highest standard.
However, I did a lot of spending in the first 4 years to get the car to the standard I wanted. To be fair, most of the money was spent of nice to have items like full wax protection, RSR's , HID's , seat refurb etc.
Do expect to spend money if you buy a 993 and want it up to standard, for example (but limited to!)
Screens out, rust seen to on the surrounds
Tinwear renewed
Chassis rails checked and sorted if necessary (they're almost always in need of TLC)
A/C renewed
Once niggles are sorted, 993's are amazingly reliable, with surprisingly low annual bills.
However, I did a lot of spending in the first 4 years to get the car to the standard I wanted. To be fair, most of the money was spent of nice to have items like full wax protection, RSR's , HID's , seat refurb etc.
Do expect to spend money if you buy a 993 and want it up to standard, for example (but limited to!)
Screens out, rust seen to on the surrounds
Tinwear renewed
Chassis rails checked and sorted if necessary (they're almost always in need of TLC)
A/C renewed
Once niggles are sorted, 993's are amazingly reliable, with surprisingly low annual bills.
I've had my 993 for about 2.5 years now, and apart from servicing, a battery and four new tyres I've spent very little. I however searched out a cherished, well looked after example in the first place, and had the dealer sort out the two or three minor things that did need doing as part of the deal.
I probably paid close to the top of the market at the time, despite negotiating a £1.5k discount, certainly paid £3k more than some others that I had looked at. But the sum of doing the "big ticket" items that had already been done on mine would have been far in excess of £3k if I had purchased one of the cheaper cars.
By now the majority of the expensive repairs have been done on many cars, certainly on the cherished, pampered cars owned by the typical OCD 993 owner. I'm sure we can all find things to spend money on if we look hard enough and apply a suitable level of man maths. But there is a big difference between spending on keeping the car in good order and spending on nice to have but non essential items.
I probably paid close to the top of the market at the time, despite negotiating a £1.5k discount, certainly paid £3k more than some others that I had looked at. But the sum of doing the "big ticket" items that had already been done on mine would have been far in excess of £3k if I had purchased one of the cheaper cars.
By now the majority of the expensive repairs have been done on many cars, certainly on the cherished, pampered cars owned by the typical OCD 993 owner. I'm sure we can all find things to spend money on if we look hard enough and apply a suitable level of man maths. But there is a big difference between spending on keeping the car in good order and spending on nice to have but non essential items.
Looking at the market, £50k seems to be the pricing territory for a nice C2/C4, varioram, manual, coupe in excellent original condition with sensible mileage.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Who knows where the market might go in the future - anyone's guess - but looking at the 'hype and silliness' of some of the other aircooled models, a well bought 993 shouldn't burn too many fingers, IMO.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Who knows where the market might go in the future - anyone's guess - but looking at the 'hype and silliness' of some of the other aircooled models, a well bought 993 shouldn't burn too many fingers, IMO.
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