1972 911T at Silverstone Auction
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My estimate is only my experience - a quality paint based on you painting the whole car could cost 4-5 grand just for the paint - stripping and putting things back together isn't the main cost - it's inevitable that as the cost of buying these cars has gone up then then the expectations of any refurb are higher - which means the costs go up. I've had a £4,000 grand all in paint job on my car and it's been fine - not great, just fine, but my car isn't worth 20 grand anymore - it's worth maybe 3 times that, and I've seen excellent examples at auctions and car shows since, and I look at the quality of my 4 grand paint job - the colour match across the panels and the panel gaps and it's not good enough IN MY OPINION.
In someone's else opinion it will be fine. However, if you are in the market now for a 70s long bonnet 911, you are more than likely the sort of person who would want and could afford a top paint job - in my opinion and experience that would not be £4,000.
In someone's else opinion it will be fine. However, if you are in the market now for a 70s long bonnet 911, you are more than likely the sort of person who would want and could afford a top paint job - in my opinion and experience that would not be £4,000.
All of these cars will have some corrosion, if it's a 'keeper' then anything other than a back to the metal respray runs the risk of bodywork bubbling up in a year or two. I recently had my 1985 Turbo resprayed at Francis Tuthill, it wasnt a 'body off' rotiserie respray but it was a baremetal windows and engine out, doors off etc.
Result was great from Tuthill and their rates are very competitive, it cost £20k, more than I anticipated but almost £4k of that is vat. To have tried to do the job cheaper was entirely possible but it would have meant cutting some corners or going with a less reputible operator which is a leap of faith on a cherished car.
Everyone's view of a good job is different but with the value of these cars skyrocketing anywork carried out has to be carefully considered because cheap could prove to be very dear...
Result was great from Tuthill and their rates are very competitive, it cost £20k, more than I anticipated but almost £4k of that is vat. To have tried to do the job cheaper was entirely possible but it would have meant cutting some corners or going with a less reputible operator which is a leap of faith on a cherished car.
Everyone's view of a good job is different but with the value of these cars skyrocketing anywork carried out has to be carefully considered because cheap could prove to be very dear...
Edited by Andyandyhall on Tuesday 24th November 14:04
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Edited by Andyandyhall on Tuesday 24th November 14:26
I don't think one needs to go to a marque specialist for a repaint. Fwiw most outsource it anyway. Different story if it involves bodywork on a car like a 911 with its idiosyncrasies. £4k for a bare metal repaint is achievable.
And Matt is 10000% correct. As the prices of these cars has risen, so have the quotes for their restoration!!!!!!!
And Matt is 10000% correct. As the prices of these cars has risen, so have the quotes for their restoration!!!!!!!
Some of you are missing the point (probably because you have never had the "joy" of working on a 60//70s 911)
A basic paint on a 993 is one thing. A basic paint on a 40 year old 911 is very different.
£8k would indeed be the likely minimum because of all the rust. And likely to be considerably more.
Or put it this way: if you could repaint this car for just 4/5k then it would have sold for a lot more!
And please don't ask me how I know - been there, done that, pockets emptied
A basic paint on a 993 is one thing. A basic paint on a 40 year old 911 is very different.
£8k would indeed be the likely minimum because of all the rust. And likely to be considerably more.
Or put it this way: if you could repaint this car for just 4/5k then it would have sold for a lot more!
And please don't ask me how I know - been there, done that, pockets emptied
POORCARDEALER said:
I think the thread has deviated from a decent glass out repaint for 4/5 grand to a body restoration which is as long as a piece of string
That's the whole point here. Its the ultimate 'how long is a piece of string?'! Some people on here just don't seem to be able to, or willing to, understand that re-spraying a lightly scratched, slightly tired, rust free BMW E46 is a different proposition to a 40+ year old rusty 911. It's not rocket science chaps!roygarth said:
That's the whole point here. Its the ultimate 'how long is a piece of string?'! Some people on here just don't seem to be able to, or willing to, understand that re-spraying a lightly scratched, slightly tired, rust free BMW E46 is a different proposition to a 40+ year old rusty 911. It's not rocket science chaps!
well put, but most people are a bit stupid imo so the debate will go on and we will see rot boxed with 4k spray over jobs trying to fetch top money from idiots !Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 25th November 14:39
roygarth said:
POORCARDEALER said:
I think the thread has deviated from a decent glass out repaint for 4/5 grand to a body restoration which is as long as a piece of string
That's the whole point here. Its the ultimate 'how long is a piece of string?'! Some people on here just don't seem to be able to, or willing to, understand that re-spraying a lightly scratched, slightly tired, rust free BMW E46 is a different proposition to a 40+ year old rusty 911. It's not rocket science chaps!To have a full resto whilst your in there type of paint job is a totally different kettle of fish. But that isnt what the poster was talking about....
I looked at the car and, for me, it was never a £4k superficial repaint - that would just have highlighted the rest of the degradation, and would be a false economy.
I've had quite a lot of experience with the 911s of this era and, for me, it would be the 'full resto' by the right people, or not at all.
For the last 15 years, early 911s have always been expensive to fully restore, but these days there is a lot more knowledge and expertise, and you can see the results of a job done properly, and it is reflected in the final value.
I've had quite a lot of experience with the 911s of this era and, for me, it would be the 'full resto' by the right people, or not at all.
For the last 15 years, early 911s have always been expensive to fully restore, but these days there is a lot more knowledge and expertise, and you can see the results of a job done properly, and it is reflected in the final value.
Wozy68 said:
To have a full resto whilst your in there type of paint job is a totally different kettle of fish. But that isnt what the poster was talking about....
The original poster was talking about a car which probably did require a lot more than a simple 'paint job' - I, and others on here who know more than me, saw it, and we all agree it was potentially very rotten.roygarth said:
Wozy68 said:
To have a full resto whilst your in there type of paint job is a totally different kettle of fish. But that isnt what the poster was talking about....
The original poster was talking about a car which probably did require a lot more than a simple 'paint job' - I, and others on here who know more than me, saw it, and we all agree it was potentially very rotten.
dickyf said:
surely after all this exposure someone must be desperate to sell a tidy 911T to a good home.....
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