Discussion
Orangecurry said:
mark.c said:
I'm picking mine up from its annual service at Adrian's next weekend if anyone is genuinely interested in an honest appraisal of this car. No connection blah etc, Adrian knows I don't pull any punches !
Tell him his advertising writer needs a refresher course - this isn't the 1930s 
As there are now a few more photos, we glean it has got air-con and a sunroof. Still haven't seen the engine.
mark.c said:
To be fair, there are Porsche buyers and there are Porsche buyers.....he seems to get by OK and lets face it us 993 owners can be a special bunch
Sure - but if the cars fly off the forecourt why bother with the b
ks?How about this to cover all possibilities?
'Porsche 993 for sale. It'll sell no matter what I say, so cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes cornflakes.'
or
'Porsche 991 for sale. It's got an MP7 player, is gleaming white, fly-by-wire active everything, is incredibly large and you'll be the envy of other people.'
Oh I remember when I went off to view my present steed.
Checked chassis legs? Nope.! (no doubt I'll open the garage door tomorrow and find the engine on the floor)
Bothered if it was pre or varioram? Nope ..... Infact when push comes to shove I prefered the earlier engine (can't believe in this day and age some punters are still coming out with the same old crap that THE 993 has to have a Vario engine).
Checked rear reflector in case it's gone dull? Nope
Checked history, stickers, paint code VIN etc? Yup
Cared a flying fk if it was 100% original paint? Nope
Gived a damn it had covered over 100k miles? Nope
Had it inspected? ........ (well you just have too, don't you). Nope
Checked for previous accident damage? Yup, and all on my little own some
Drove the car and loved it? Yup . No rattles
I bought my 993 because I'd always wanted one since seeing one drive down Chipping Campden High St back in 1994. If I'd have faffed about and picked up on some of the silly minor issues like it seems have to be pointed out on here or 91UK then I'd never have found the 'right' car.
£40K plus nowadays you'd be lucky to buy an old knackered TR5 with panel gaps wider than the English Channel and not a jot of history previous of 1998, oh and it would have covered no more than 40k miles since new.... honest. Yet punters quite happily pay it,, they'll pay 30k plus for a TR4 with the same build quality and little history, and they built 72000 of them.
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
Ive had a bad day
Checked chassis legs? Nope.! (no doubt I'll open the garage door tomorrow and find the engine on the floor)
Bothered if it was pre or varioram? Nope ..... Infact when push comes to shove I prefered the earlier engine (can't believe in this day and age some punters are still coming out with the same old crap that THE 993 has to have a Vario engine).
Checked rear reflector in case it's gone dull? Nope
Checked history, stickers, paint code VIN etc? Yup
Cared a flying f
k if it was 100% original paint? Nope Gived a damn it had covered over 100k miles? Nope
Had it inspected? ........ (well you just have too, don't you). Nope
Checked for previous accident damage? Yup, and all on my little own some
Drove the car and loved it? Yup . No rattles
I bought my 993 because I'd always wanted one since seeing one drive down Chipping Campden High St back in 1994. If I'd have faffed about and picked up on some of the silly minor issues like it seems have to be pointed out on here or 91UK then I'd never have found the 'right' car.
£40K plus nowadays you'd be lucky to buy an old knackered TR5 with panel gaps wider than the English Channel and not a jot of history previous of 1998, oh and it would have covered no more than 40k miles since new.... honest. Yet punters quite happily pay it,, they'll pay 30k plus for a TR4 with the same build quality and little history, and they built 72000 of them.
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
Ive had a bad day
Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 16th September 01:51
Oh I remember when I went off to view my present steed.
Checked chassis legs? Nope.! (no doubt I'll open the garage door tomorrow and find the engine on the floor)
Bothered if it was pre or varioram? Nope ..... Infact when push comes to shove I prefered the earlier engine (can't believe in this day and age some punters are still coming out with the same old crap that THE 993 has to have a Vario engine).
Checked rear reflector in case it's gone dull? Nope
Checked history, stickers, paint code VIN etc? Yup
Cared a flying fk if it was 100% original paint? Nope
Gived a damn it had covered over 100k miles? Nope
Had it inspected? ........ (well you just have too, don't you). Nope
Checked for previous accident damage? Yup, and all on my little own some
Drove the car and loved it? Yup . No rattles
I bought my 993 because I'd always wanted one since seeing one drive down Chipping Campden High St back in 1994. If I'd have faffed about and picked up on some of the silly minor issues like it seems have to be pointed out on here or 91UK then I'd never have found the 'right' car.
£40K plus nowadays you'd be lucky to buy an old knackered TR5 with panel gaps wider than the English Channel and not a jot of history previous of 1998, oh and it would have covered no more than 40k miles since new.... honest. Yet punters quite happily pay it,, they'll pay 30k plus for a TR4 with the same build quality and little history, and they built 72000 of them.
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
Ive had a bad day
Checked chassis legs? Nope.! (no doubt I'll open the garage door tomorrow and find the engine on the floor)
Bothered if it was pre or varioram? Nope ..... Infact when push comes to shove I prefered the earlier engine (can't believe in this day and age some punters are still coming out with the same old crap that THE 993 has to have a Vario engine).
Checked rear reflector in case it's gone dull? Nope
Checked history, stickers, paint code VIN etc? Yup
Cared a flying f
k if it was 100% original paint? Nope Gived a damn it had covered over 100k miles? Nope
Had it inspected? ........ (well you just have too, don't you). Nope
Checked for previous accident damage? Yup, and all on my little own some
Drove the car and loved it? Yup . No rattles
I bought my 993 because I'd always wanted one since seeing one drive down Chipping Campden High St back in 1994. If I'd have faffed about and picked up on some of the silly minor issues like it seems have to be pointed out on here or 91UK then I'd never have found the 'right' car.
£40K plus nowadays you'd be lucky to buy an old knackered TR5 with panel gaps wider than the English Channel and not a jot of history previous of 1998, oh and it would have covered no more than 40k miles since new.... honest. Yet punters quite happily pay it,, they'll pay 30k plus for a TR4 with the same build quality and little history, and they built 72000 of them.
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
Ive had a bad day
Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 16th September 14:34
Wozy68 said:
Oh I remember when I went off to view my present steed.
Checked chassis legs? Nope.! (no doubt I'll open the garage door tomorrow and find the engine on the floor)
Bothered if it was pre or varioram? Nope ..... Infact when push comes to shove I prefered the earlier engine (can't believe in this day and age some punters are still coming out with the same old crap that THE 993 has to have a Vario engine).
Checked rear reflector in case it's gone dull? Nope
Checked history, stickers, paint code VIN etc? Yup
Cared a flying fk if it was 100% original paint? Nope
Gived a damn it had covered over 100k miles? Nope
Had it inspected? ........ (well you just have too, don't you). Nope
Checked for previous accident damage? Yup, and all on my little own some
Drove the car and loved it? Yup . No rattles
I bought my 993 because I'd always wanted one since seeing one drive down Chipping Campden High St back in 1994. If I'd have faffed about and picked up on some of the silly minor issues like it seems have to be pointed out on here or 91UK then I'd never have found the 'right' car.
£40K plus nowadays you'd be lucky to buy an old knackered TR5 with panel gaps wider than the English Channel and not a jot of history previous of 1998, oh and it would have covered no more than 40k miles since new.... honest. Yet punters quite happily pay it,, they'll pay 30k plus for a TR4 with the same build quality and little history, and they built 72000 of them.
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
Ive had a bad day
I have to say this pretty much sums up my experience... I bought mine from Paul McLean of GT Classics, I pitched up at his house in late afternoon ( having been away with work for four months) , had a brew and checked the car out, chucked my bag in the front, shook his hand and drove home to Cornwall. Never had an issue.Checked chassis legs? Nope.! (no doubt I'll open the garage door tomorrow and find the engine on the floor)
Bothered if it was pre or varioram? Nope ..... Infact when push comes to shove I prefered the earlier engine (can't believe in this day and age some punters are still coming out with the same old crap that THE 993 has to have a Vario engine).
Checked rear reflector in case it's gone dull? Nope
Checked history, stickers, paint code VIN etc? Yup
Cared a flying f
k if it was 100% original paint? Nope Gived a damn it had covered over 100k miles? Nope
Had it inspected? ........ (well you just have too, don't you). Nope
Checked for previous accident damage? Yup, and all on my little own some
Drove the car and loved it? Yup . No rattles
I bought my 993 because I'd always wanted one since seeing one drive down Chipping Campden High St back in 1994. If I'd have faffed about and picked up on some of the silly minor issues like it seems have to be pointed out on here or 91UK then I'd never have found the 'right' car.
£40K plus nowadays you'd be lucky to buy an old knackered TR5 with panel gaps wider than the English Channel and not a jot of history previous of 1998, oh and it would have covered no more than 40k miles since new.... honest. Yet punters quite happily pay it,, they'll pay 30k plus for a TR4 with the same build quality and little history, and they built 72000 of them.
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
Ive had a bad day
Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 16th September 01:51
I guess iwhat I'm saying is if you have faith in a dealer and trust their judgment/reputation that's the start....then you can move on with all the specific investigation into the cars' specific areas of weakness. An advert (well written or not) is just the beginning.
Wozy68 said:
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
I don't disagree with anything you say, but if you have three cars at 50k each, as a novice wouldn't you want impartial advice/critique so that you understand what bills you may be facing?Blimey
Red C2 - The point about the rear lights is two-fold:
1) how did they get into that state, when the trader is implying it's a w/e toy that lives in a dehumidified garage?
2) on a respray car why did the owner not bother to replace them?
Silver C4 - If the shut-lines are poor on a 993, that rings alarm bells, so wouldn't you pay less for an accident damaged car, when this opens up the strong chance of rust as the rustproofing has been compromised?
Which car will 'lose less' going forward? Some buyers (especially as a dream-car-of-my-youth) can't just chuck 50k at a car and hope.
Obviously any of the points raised as 'issues' with the cars are fixable, but the internet is occasionally useful in arming a buyer with knowledge...
e..g. if it's an import, and you pay 10k over the market value? If it is an accident damaged car known on the forums? Remember that yellow one sat in a field with the sunroof jammed open? Imagine the rust and electrical issues the next owner will face...
Edited by Orangecurry on Friday 16th September 08:47
mark.c said:
I guess iwhat I'm saying is if you have faith in a dealer and trust their judgment/reputation that's the start....then you can move on with all the specific investigation into the cars' specific areas of weakness. An advert (well written or not) is just the beginning.
Agree 100% - but why not put some facts into the advert, so that you don't waste everybody's time, including your own as you answer the phone, give the sub-set of facts asked by that particular customer, and they then have to digest those facts, leading to more phonecalls or not...Comprehensive guide to selling a 993 here: https://youtu.be/iPy-HNFuJwc (forgive me if already posted)
I bought mine from private seller on a Friday in May 2013 via PH ad. Slate Grey/Marble C2 pre-Vario, mileage high-80ks. City-type private seller, car had been in Kent/East Sussex all its life post-AFN and Porsche GB. Paragon sticker on back and wads of of bills from them and others - new rack, loads of stuff every year. Seller pointed out bit of scuttle rust (badly repaired locally). Driver's window rattled. Rear reflector dull. I looked at the under-bonnet stickers, took a good look at the car, drove it and paid asking price. I am not a mechanical genius.
A few weeks later, I took car in to Tognola and paid about £2000 for new clutch slave cylinder (pedal sticking down) and new cam cover gaskets (alarming smoke when hot). Plus proper service. Car had wrong plugs and odd wrong belt. Window issue was the £10.00 channel that holds the glass rusting through but a bit of labour to fix. Peter T pronounced the car "good". As JAZ is now near me, I use them and Steve says the car is "very good indeed" - usual service and odd bits like a/c need doing every now and again. Rear reflector still dull, as it's a stupid price to replace, but one day and 10-minute job by me. I have put new headlamp lenses on as its helpful to see at night. Scuttle I will do one day with new screen and front-end respray.
Moral of the story? In this case buy the car AND the seller, and who dares wins - it would have sold that weekend and I wouldn't have got it. An inspection - which seller agreed to - would have thrown a load of stuff up, I am sure. Trader would have bought it unseen. It did cost me an extra £2000 with Tognola that perhaps I could have negotiated down. Unless Paragon or the best traders, I would buy private and take a good look at the seller and the car's surroundings.
I bought mine from private seller on a Friday in May 2013 via PH ad. Slate Grey/Marble C2 pre-Vario, mileage high-80ks. City-type private seller, car had been in Kent/East Sussex all its life post-AFN and Porsche GB. Paragon sticker on back and wads of of bills from them and others - new rack, loads of stuff every year. Seller pointed out bit of scuttle rust (badly repaired locally). Driver's window rattled. Rear reflector dull. I looked at the under-bonnet stickers, took a good look at the car, drove it and paid asking price. I am not a mechanical genius.
A few weeks later, I took car in to Tognola and paid about £2000 for new clutch slave cylinder (pedal sticking down) and new cam cover gaskets (alarming smoke when hot). Plus proper service. Car had wrong plugs and odd wrong belt. Window issue was the £10.00 channel that holds the glass rusting through but a bit of labour to fix. Peter T pronounced the car "good". As JAZ is now near me, I use them and Steve says the car is "very good indeed" - usual service and odd bits like a/c need doing every now and again. Rear reflector still dull, as it's a stupid price to replace, but one day and 10-minute job by me. I have put new headlamp lenses on as its helpful to see at night. Scuttle I will do one day with new screen and front-end respray.
Moral of the story? In this case buy the car AND the seller, and who dares wins - it would have sold that weekend and I wouldn't have got it. An inspection - which seller agreed to - would have thrown a load of stuff up, I am sure. Trader would have bought it unseen. It did cost me an extra £2000 with Tognola that perhaps I could have negotiated down. Unless Paragon or the best traders, I would buy private and take a good look at the seller and the car's surroundings.
stevewak said:
Comprehensive guide to selling a 993 here: https://youtu.be/iPy-HNFuJwc (forgive me if already posted)
I bought mine from private seller on a Friday in May 2013 via PH ad. Slate Grey/Marble C2 pre-Vario, mileage high-80ks. City-type private seller, car had been in Kent/East Sussex all its life post-AFN and Porsche GB. Paragon sticker on back and wads of of bills from them and others - new rack, loads of stuff every year. Seller pointed out bit of scuttle rust (badly repaired locally). Driver's window rattled. Rear reflector dull. I looked at the under-bonnet stickers, took a good look at the car, drove it and paid asking price. I am not a mechanical genius.
A few weeks later, I took car in to Tognola and paid about £2000 for new clutch slave cylinder (pedal sticking down) and new cam cover gaskets (alarming smoke when hot). Plus proper service. Car had wrong plugs and odd wrong belt. Window issue was the £10.00 channel that holds the glass rusting through but a bit of labour to fix. Peter T pronounced the car "good". As JAZ is now near me, I use them and Steve says the car is "very good indeed" - usual service and odd bits like a/c need doing every now and again. Rear reflector still dull, as it's a stupid price to replace, but one day and 10-minute job by me. I have put new headlamp lenses on as its helpful to see at night. Scuttle I will do one day with new screen and front-end respray.
Moral of the story? In this case buy the car AND the seller, and who dares wins - it would have sold that weekend and I wouldn't have got it. An inspection - which seller agreed to - would have thrown a load of stuff up, I am sure. Trader would have bought it unseen. It did cost me an extra £2000 with Tognola that perhaps I could have negotiated down. Unless Paragon or the best traders, I would buy private and take a good look at the seller and the car's surroundings.
Out of interest, what's the definition of the 'best trader'? Premises? Assumed reputation? I bought mine from private seller on a Friday in May 2013 via PH ad. Slate Grey/Marble C2 pre-Vario, mileage high-80ks. City-type private seller, car had been in Kent/East Sussex all its life post-AFN and Porsche GB. Paragon sticker on back and wads of of bills from them and others - new rack, loads of stuff every year. Seller pointed out bit of scuttle rust (badly repaired locally). Driver's window rattled. Rear reflector dull. I looked at the under-bonnet stickers, took a good look at the car, drove it and paid asking price. I am not a mechanical genius.
A few weeks later, I took car in to Tognola and paid about £2000 for new clutch slave cylinder (pedal sticking down) and new cam cover gaskets (alarming smoke when hot). Plus proper service. Car had wrong plugs and odd wrong belt. Window issue was the £10.00 channel that holds the glass rusting through but a bit of labour to fix. Peter T pronounced the car "good". As JAZ is now near me, I use them and Steve says the car is "very good indeed" - usual service and odd bits like a/c need doing every now and again. Rear reflector still dull, as it's a stupid price to replace, but one day and 10-minute job by me. I have put new headlamp lenses on as its helpful to see at night. Scuttle I will do one day with new screen and front-end respray.
Moral of the story? In this case buy the car AND the seller, and who dares wins - it would have sold that weekend and I wouldn't have got it. An inspection - which seller agreed to - would have thrown a load of stuff up, I am sure. Trader would have bought it unseen. It did cost me an extra £2000 with Tognola that perhaps I could have negotiated down. Unless Paragon or the best traders, I would buy private and take a good look at the seller and the car's surroundings.
rubystone said:
Out of interest, what's the definition of the 'best trader'? Premises? Assumed reputation?
I'll leave that to others. Name and shame etc. You can't win if some dealers are good (buy over phone unseen) but expensive. And offer finance etc. I also bought a 2002 BMW 330i Touring for £2.5k from a dealer in Kent (my preferred county for car purchases). Dead straight, no prep, in and out at min mark-up, worked from home, caravan in garden. Very happy with it. Bought newish BMW before that from west country main dealer and thought (probably wrongly) I'd been had over. Hi Mike,
I have seen this car and the photos are pre paintwork !!
I am going to have to ask !
JR
Edit" Yes the photos are of the 993 before Clive had the paintwork done and it's a UK car" I've told clive he needs to update the photo as he looks stupid and to change the description so it was accurate.
on saying all that this car looks nice ! http://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-deta...
I have seen this car and the photos are pre paintwork !!
I am going to have to ask !
JR
Edit" Yes the photos are of the 993 before Clive had the paintwork done and it's a UK car" I've told clive he needs to update the photo as he looks stupid and to change the description so it was accurate.
on saying all that this car looks nice ! http://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-deta...
mikeknivett said:
Hi guys. After a few years of being Porscheless am keen to get back into the market. Wished I'd held onto my 996 GT2, GT3 and 968 Clubsport as I'd have been able to clear my mortgage now with current prices!!!
I'm keen to get a 993 and have seen the below car with Clive at Mr 911 who seems to have a good reputation.
http://www.mr911.co.uk/mobile/cars/porsche/911clas...
I've been reading up on 993's as all my knowledge is mainly 996 based and wondered on whether you think this is a good buy? Right spec etc? I know guards red seems to divide opinion!
Are there any major issues that need addressing I should be looking out for.
The car has sat around for at least 2-3 months.
This would be a car to be used but also would be nice to have something that may appreciate over the years as I'd be looking to keep for many years.
Any advice much appreciated.
Thanks.
I'm keen to get a 993 and have seen the below car with Clive at Mr 911 who seems to have a good reputation.
http://www.mr911.co.uk/mobile/cars/porsche/911clas...
I've been reading up on 993's as all my knowledge is mainly 996 based and wondered on whether you think this is a good buy? Right spec etc? I know guards red seems to divide opinion!
Are there any major issues that need addressing I should be looking out for.
The car has sat around for at least 2-3 months.
This would be a car to be used but also would be nice to have something that may appreciate over the years as I'd be looking to keep for many years.
Any advice much appreciated.
Thanks.
Edited by reedman on Friday 16th September 14:35
Looks like mr911 whole website has gone through a full revamp this week or last - so wouldn't get to hang on what is being said here on this website by Internet trollers and the air cooled mafia.
I know quite a few people who have bought cars from Clive: air cooled, water cooler and other ferraros and are perfectly happy (my profile is full of cars I have bought exclusively through him).
I'd personally give him a call, exchange info, and go see the car. I'd be surprise if his car didn't pass your exam or of any air cooled so called specialist or mafia here.
Note: and whoever says the car is non UK might want to check his info first before talking cr@p
I called, car is from Manchester Wilmslow, excuse my poor geography but pre/post Brexit that place is UK
I know quite a few people who have bought cars from Clive: air cooled, water cooler and other ferraros and are perfectly happy (my profile is full of cars I have bought exclusively through him).
I'd personally give him a call, exchange info, and go see the car. I'd be surprise if his car didn't pass your exam or of any air cooled so called specialist or mafia here.
Note: and whoever says the car is non UK might want to check his info first before talking cr@p
I called, car is from Manchester Wilmslow, excuse my poor geography but pre/post Brexit that place is UK
Edited by 911Thrasher on Friday 16th September 15:29
i bought my 993 2S privately and paid £300 for an inspection which highlighted about 600 quids worth of minor works ie exhaust heat shields, brackets etc. we split the difference. it did highlight also a weep from the front shocks and split bumpstops, which i allowed for as a £2k job when haggling for new suspension. later on the work was £2.6k at Centre Gravity as i had refurbished bottom arms and new engine mounts, so i paid pretty much the right price at the time for mine for a private sale on a lower mileage 2S. its since gone up as most 993s have, but value aside its a fabulous car, which ive since put 5k miles on (Skye, shows, one trackday at Blyton). its now a pure weekend toy for nice weather days.
Orangecurry said:
Wozy68 said:
A 993 in comparison is a bloody bargain (I don't mean 50k is a bargain, but in the wider classic market sense). Why give a damn if it's had a respray (it's 20 years old) , new lights vario or non Vario. Are we enthusiasts who like to drive, polish and admire our cars or investors or nit pickers looking for the perfect condition that is so perfect, its not dared to be driven ?
Blimey
I don't disagree with anything you say, but if you have three cars at 50k each, as a novice wouldn't you want impartial advice/critique so that you understand what bills you may be facing?Blimey
Red C2 - The point about the rear lights is two-fold:
1) how did they get into that state, when the trader is implying it's a w/e toy that lives in a dehumidified garage?
2) on a respray car why did the owner not bother to replace them?
Silver C4 - If the shut-lines are poor on a 993, that rings alarm bells, so wouldn't you pay less for an accident damaged car, when this opens up the strong chance of rust as the rustproofing has been compromised?
Which car will 'lose less' going forward? Some buyers (especially as a dream-car-of-my-youth) can't just chuck 50k at a car and hope.
Obviously any of the points raised as 'issues' with the cars are fixable, but the internet is occasionally useful in arming a buyer with knowledge...
e..g. if it's an import, and you pay 10k over the market value? If it is an accident damaged car known on the forums? Remember that yellow one sat in a field with the sunroof jammed open? Imagine the rust and electrical issues the next owner will face...
Edited by Orangecurry on Friday 16th September 08:47
My only real concern is that the devil in the detail may mean a once in a lifetime chance to own one (especially at the current prices) may be missed by a punter being too worried on possible pitfalls. Me for one would not be in a position to afford one now if I hadn't bit the bullet, used a bit of common sense when viewing and risked it. If I'd waited another six months I'd have missed the boat. Saying that, that was for a 20k not 50k 993.
I'm all for informed knowledge, as long as it doesn't get to the point that we all start dismissing honest cars that may just have lead a harsher life than most.
OP hurry and buy one, I need something new to look at. To little aircooled chat on here these days.
911Thrasher said:
Looks like mr911 whole website has gone through a full revamp this week or last - so wouldn't get to hang on what is being said here on this website by Internet trollers and the air cooled mafia.
I'd personally give him a call, exchange info, and go see the car. I'd be surprise if his car didn't pass your exam or of any air cooled so called specialist or mafia here.
Note: and whoever says the car is non UK might want to check his info first before talking cr@p
I called, car is from Manchester, excuse my poor uk geography but before and after Brexit that place is UK
Calm down Dear.......I'd personally give him a call, exchange info, and go see the car. I'd be surprise if his car didn't pass your exam or of any air cooled so called specialist or mafia here.
Note: and whoever says the car is non UK might want to check his info first before talking cr@p
I called, car is from Manchester, excuse my poor uk geography but before and after Brexit that place is UK
on page 1 orangecurry said:
I didn't answer your main question.... we could be wrong about the history - ring up and ask.
Buy the car you want, especially if it's a keeper, but 993 potential buyers are a funny lot - the value of that car will be substantially less going forwards if it's an import, or had an engine swop, etc etc
Buy the car you want, especially if it's a keeper, but 993 potential buyers are a funny lot - the value of that car will be substantially less going forwards if it's an import, or had an engine swop, etc etc
reedman said:
Edit" Yes the photos are of the 993 before Clive had the paintwork done and it's a UK car" I've told clive he needs to update the photo as he looks stupid and to change the description so it was accurate.
C4ME said:
Is 50K plus really the price of a base 993 these days ? I thought they were very much going through an unloved stage the last couple of years compared to some of the other aircooled models (964 comes to mind).
That changed about 2 years ago.However, the 964 is still more sought after and probably worth 15% more.
mollytherocker said:
C4ME said:
Is 50K plus really the price of a base 993 these days ? I thought they were very much going through an unloved stage the last couple of years compared to some of the other aircooled models (964 comes to mind).
That changed about 2 years ago.However, the 964 is still more sought after and probably worth 15% more.
g7jhp said:
Fashion, remember when 964's were unloved, 3.2's were being forward dated to 964 look (well before backdating) and 993's were the 911.
Isnt the value of anything down to 'fashion'? Not that I understand such things.Trendy, in vogue, cool, sought after, wanted, sexy, desired, its all the same thing is it not?
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