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I bought a lhd red 993 a couple of months ago. test drove it. asked for a new aircon pump and a steering rack rebuild 64,000 miles and paid £35,000.didnt want to pay £50,000and over for a rhd I personally think I got a good deal.picked up a rear lense for £50 a couple of weeks ago at waffzuff (raikku) auto jumble and I absoloutly love it .its not mint but spent most of its life in north Carolina so no rust issues .ive been down that road of garage queens.frightend to use it incase the value goes down.and I personally think the 993 is the best looking Porsche ever built good luck with finding one 
mollytherocker said:
That changed about 2 years ago.
However, the 964 is still more sought after and probably worth 15% more.
I've seen several 993s at the £40k mark recently.However, the 964 is still more sought after and probably worth 15% more.
Interesting to hear that 964s are more valuable than 993. 4 years ago that was very much not the case. Why has the market moved in that direction when the 964 is much more expensive to look after?
johne123 said:
I bought a lhd red 993 a couple of months ago. test drove it. asked for a new aircon pump and a steering rack rebuild 64,000 miles and paid £35,000.didnt want to pay £50,000and over for a rhd I personally think I got a good deal.picked up a rear lense for £50 a couple of weeks ago at waffzuff (raikku) auto jumble and I absoloutly love it .its not mint but spent most of its life in north Carolina so no rust issues .ive been down that road of garage queens.frightend to use it incase the value goes down.and I personally think the 993 is the best looking Porsche ever built good luck with finding one
Bargainaceous. Looks lovely.I guess you don't need side repeaters for the MOT? The only thing to watch out for on the american cars is SAI (if I remember correctly) but I don't remember what causes it. Is it just low octane petrol that the americans have? Worth a trawl through Rennlist.
rubystone said:
mollytherocker said:
That changed about 2 years ago.
However, the 964 is still more sought after and probably worth 15% more.
I've seen several 993s at the £40k mark recently.However, the 964 is still more sought after and probably worth 15% more.
Interesting to hear that 964s are more valuable than 993. 4 years ago that was very much not the case. Why has the market moved in that direction when the 964 is much more expensive to look after?
I think the 964 is 'cooler' to many for many complex reasons. Its seen more of a drivers car and the 993 more of a low mileage show car.
All utter rubbish of course.
Didn't the 964 hype roughly coincide with Singer picking the 964 as his base model for all Singer cars?
They are brilliant. My 964 felt much more hunkered down on the road than current 993, not nearly as much bobbing up & down over bumpy b roads, although I suspect parts of the 993 suspension are on their way out + maybe I should move from 18" to 17" tyres like I had on the 964. I just couldn't deal with the masses of understeer on the 964 (it was a C4), no proper footrest, and an exhaust note not nearly as soulful as the 993. Which one is prettier depends on the angle - front, easily 964, back...993 takes it.
They are brilliant. My 964 felt much more hunkered down on the road than current 993, not nearly as much bobbing up & down over bumpy b roads, although I suspect parts of the 993 suspension are on their way out + maybe I should move from 18" to 17" tyres like I had on the 964. I just couldn't deal with the masses of understeer on the 964 (it was a C4), no proper footrest, and an exhaust note not nearly as soulful as the 993. Which one is prettier depends on the angle - front, easily 964, back...993 takes it.
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In the 31 years that I've been involved in the marque, the latest 911 has always been the most revered. And this was certainly true for the 993 as well. It long held its value and if anything increased when the 996 was released. It's never been unloved and its value has alway held strong. And justifiably so too. n12maser said:
Didn't the 964 hype roughly coincide with Singer picking the 964 as his base model for all Singer cars?
They are brilliant. My 964 felt much more hunkered down on the road than current 993, not nearly as much bobbing up & down over bumpy b roads, although I suspect parts of the 993 suspension are on their way out + maybe I should move from 18" to 17" tyres like I had on the 964. I just couldn't deal with the masses of understeer on the 964 (it was a C4), no proper footrest, and an exhaust note not nearly as soulful as the 993. Which one is prettier depends on the angle - front, easily 964, back...993 takes it.
Really? I'd have your 993 checked over, it's a far better road car IMO than a standard setup 964. They are brilliant. My 964 felt much more hunkered down on the road than current 993, not nearly as much bobbing up & down over bumpy b roads, although I suspect parts of the 993 suspension are on their way out + maybe I should move from 18" to 17" tyres like I had on the 964. I just couldn't deal with the masses of understeer on the 964 (it was a C4), no proper footrest, and an exhaust note not nearly as soulful as the 993. Which one is prettier depends on the angle - front, easily 964, back...993 takes it.
These cars are all 20 odd years old now. As such they have all been subject to different sorts of work. Different suspension choices, polybushes or original rubber, leaks addressed or not, servicing followed on time or stored with gaps of years at a time.
All the extras that owners can and do add can change the driving experience as well. Lightweight flywheels, remaps, RS short shift kit, MPL clutch slaves the list goes on. The key point is, having been worked on over the years, none of these cars is likely to drive exactly the same as another.
I note Porsche have introduced 'classic dampers' and on my visit to OPC yesterday, also classic tyres. It's possible to recreate how a 993 would have been when new, how it would have felt when suspension, tyres, bushes, top mounts etc were all brand new and OEM. I sincerely doubt anyone on this forum has sought to recreate a perfectly original car. We all know better. We tweak and we improve.
Who knows what an original 993 actually feels like? Even if you had one when new 20 years ago, how reliable is that old memory now?
All the extras that owners can and do add can change the driving experience as well. Lightweight flywheels, remaps, RS short shift kit, MPL clutch slaves the list goes on. The key point is, having been worked on over the years, none of these cars is likely to drive exactly the same as another.
I note Porsche have introduced 'classic dampers' and on my visit to OPC yesterday, also classic tyres. It's possible to recreate how a 993 would have been when new, how it would have felt when suspension, tyres, bushes, top mounts etc were all brand new and OEM. I sincerely doubt anyone on this forum has sought to recreate a perfectly original car. We all know better. We tweak and we improve.
Who knows what an original 993 actually feels like? Even if you had one when new 20 years ago, how reliable is that old memory now?
Considered the one at Kenny Dunn on AT?
The pics are I think of the vario, polar, regular seats, black dash, gold centre caps with 83k. I tried buying this car in 2008 before mine. On 63k then, assuming it's not deteriorated since. The then owner kept for at least a couple of years & ive seen it sell once or twice since, fairly rare colour combo so certain it's the same one - via DVLA PO check I could confirm as remember owner. He'd had it long term & was particular, perhaps not as pedantic as here/911UK, but a very good car at the time.
The pics are I think of the vario, polar, regular seats, black dash, gold centre caps with 83k. I tried buying this car in 2008 before mine. On 63k then, assuming it's not deteriorated since. The then owner kept for at least a couple of years & ive seen it sell once or twice since, fairly rare colour combo so certain it's the same one - via DVLA PO check I could confirm as remember owner. He'd had it long term & was particular, perhaps not as pedantic as here/911UK, but a very good car at the time.
madala said:
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LOL...... I think I have had the same guy make the same comment to me ....... 
Just to add insult to injury I heard one fella state he loved the old school 911s to which a female customs officer responded that Porsches were s
t and driven by knobs. At least the rest of them were slightly embarrassed by her comments.Call me what you like, but never never dish me car
any thoughts on this 993 C2? seems a good price
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
AD64 said:
any thoughts on this 993 C2? seems a good price
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
No a/c? If not, selling on in future will be an issue. Not everyone mad on all-blue but could be worse. Not sure what is going on with that front spoiler. Eagle-eyed might say rear reflector dull, but can be sorted for £450 or so. Mileage a plus. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Looks 'ok' from my armchair. Worth a visit if blue works for you - Iris is a gorgeous colour when 'corrected'.
It doesn't have an upgraded sound package *** and it does have the controls for climate control, but hey.
ETA unless they mean the motorsound package, which may mean different boxes or just a drilled airbox.
Dunno why we have 12 slightly different angles of the same interior shot, and nothing of the engine bay or option codes, but as I've said before traders don't need to put any effort into selling a 993.
I would imagine the huge gaps in service history are keeping the price 'low'.
Funny old world isn't it - five to ten years ago that would have been unsellable at anything over 15k GBP with that SH, yet here it is now at 45k GBP.
It doesn't have an upgraded sound package *** and it does have the controls for climate control, but hey.
ETA unless they mean the motorsound package, which may mean different boxes or just a drilled airbox.
Dunno why we have 12 slightly different angles of the same interior shot, and nothing of the engine bay or option codes, but as I've said before traders don't need to put any effort into selling a 993.
I would imagine the huge gaps in service history are keeping the price 'low'.
Funny old world isn't it - five to ten years ago that would have been unsellable at anything over 15k GBP with that SH, yet here it is now at 45k GBP.
Edited by Orangecurry on Thursday 29th September 11:42
highway said:
These cars are all 20 odd years old now. As such they have all been subject to different sorts of work. Different suspension choices, polybushes or original rubber, leaks addressed or not, servicing followed on time or stored with gaps of years at a time.
All the extras that owners can and do add can change the driving experience as well. Lightweight flywheels, remaps, RS short shift kit, MPL clutch slaves the list goes on. The key point is, having been worked on over the years, none of these cars is likely to drive exactly the same as another.
I note Porsche have introduced 'classic dampers' and on my visit to OPC yesterday, also classic tyres. It's possible to recreate how a 993 would have been when new, how it would have felt when suspension, tyres, bushes, top mounts etc were all brand new and OEM. I sincerely doubt anyone on this forum has sought to recreate a perfectly original car. We all know better. We tweak and we improve.
Who knows what an original 993 actually feels like? Even if you had one when new 20 years ago, how reliable is that old memory now?
You're right. I've owned my 993 turbo for some 13 years from 30K miles and I clearly remember it wasn't a very nice drive as standard. Why anyone would seek to recreate a relatively 'unfocused' sports car I don't know. Now it's a much better machine with modern suspension, a few engine tweeks etc. Of course, the non driving value obsessed collectors would be horrified but that's cool with me, I'd sooner cut it up than sell it anyway. All the extras that owners can and do add can change the driving experience as well. Lightweight flywheels, remaps, RS short shift kit, MPL clutch slaves the list goes on. The key point is, having been worked on over the years, none of these cars is likely to drive exactly the same as another.
I note Porsche have introduced 'classic dampers' and on my visit to OPC yesterday, also classic tyres. It's possible to recreate how a 993 would have been when new, how it would have felt when suspension, tyres, bushes, top mounts etc were all brand new and OEM. I sincerely doubt anyone on this forum has sought to recreate a perfectly original car. We all know better. We tweak and we improve.
Who knows what an original 993 actually feels like? Even if you had one when new 20 years ago, how reliable is that old memory now?
In the UK it seems to be frowned upon to move away from 'as it left the factory'. Porsche have to compromise on every aspect of a car so it's up to the current owner to decide what aspects they like more.
Would anybody put halfords 55w headlight bulbs in their car because HID's make the road to easy to see?
stevewak said:
AD64 said:
any thoughts on this 993 C2? seems a good price
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
No a/c? If not, selling on in future will be an issue. Not everyone mad on all-blue but could be worse. Not sure what is going on with that front spoiler. Eagle-eyed might say rear reflector dull, but can be sorted for £450 or so. Mileage a plus. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Pro's - it's a manual, C2 coupe on relatively low miles (verified?)
Con's - It's a non-varioram, no sports seats, no AC, history with gaps, RS look front spoiler and looks like a non standard exhaust or tips at least.
Looks unloved and could do with some TLC, but I wouldn't at that price.
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