Scuderia.....testing the market

[Rocco1]

stain said:

Haven't got it yet.

Yet??
Will you be joining the club sometime soon?

[stain]

Just needs collecting

[Rocco1]

stain said:

Just needs collecting

Congratulations!!!
Photos please

[Slickhillsy]

Congrats sir - let's see those pics....

[SteelySteve]

leeGT2 said:

I think the 458 is its worst enemy. Not as rare, but a more complete car...

However, the 458's worst enemy is depreciation. You will be able to buy a nice 458 for £40K sooner or later, just like a nice 348, 355, 360, 430. They are normo, volume production Ferraris.

You will never be able to buy a 430 SCuderia for that kind of money.

So more complete or not, you can buy a 458 or invest in a 430 Scuderia.

I know where Id rather put my cash, in fact I already have...

[sone]

SteelySteve said:

leeGT2 said:

I think the 458 is its worst enemy. Not as rare, but a more complete car...

However, the 458's worst enemy is depreciation. You will be able to buy a nice 458 for £40K sooner or later, just like a nice 348, 355, 360, 430. They are normo, volume production Ferraris.

You will never be able to buy a 430 SCuderia for that kind of money.

So more complete or not, you can buy a 458 or invest in a 430 Scuderia.

I know where Id rather put my cash, in fact I already have...

Depends if you want to drive it or look at the bloody thing.
Personally I buy cars to drive them and as mentioned the 458 is a better car.
I suppose if I had money to burn I'd buy a couple of garage queens but until then my cars will be used for what they were made.

Edited by sone on Thursday 6th November 18:47

[leeGT2]

SteelySteve said:

However, the 458's worst enemy is depreciation. You will be able to buy a nice 458 for £40K sooner or later, just like a nice 348, 355, 360, 430. They are normo, volume production Ferraris.

You will never be able to buy a 430 SCuderia for that kind of money.

So more complete or not, you can buy a 458 or invest in a 430 Scuderia.

I know where Id rather put my cash, in fact I already have...

I agree with you that rarity will make it more of an investment.... but what I'm trying to say is that the 458 is so good that it has left the Scud with serious competition and hence there are quite a few scuds on the forecourts. Stunning car and colour btw...

[GRBF430F1]

3m 12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_Ywh8I9-4


Not my words but the 458 just isn't as "special" as scuderia which is so intense and purposeful unlike a 458 according to Jethro. Scuderia is so focused for driving with a brutal gearbox that's absolutely brilliant and Ferrari just nailed it.

High praise for the Scuderia given he just got out of the amazing 458 as a direct comparison.

I know what I'd rather have and where I put my money

Edited by GRBF430F1 on Thursday 6th November 19:03

[Johnnyforeigner]

sone said:

Depends if you want to drive it or look at the bloody thing.
Personally I buy cars to drive them and as mentioned the 458 is a better car.
I suppose if I had money to burn I'd buy a couple of garage queens but until then my cars will be used for what they were made.

I don't think Scud's are that mileage sensitive that they're predominantly being bought to sit in a garage to be just polished and admired, in the same way you see a lot of CS's with healthy mileages that are still sought after and saleable.

As for the 458 being a better car, I agree overall but for a buyer what's 'better' depends on what you want it for. If you're lucky enough to be able to get out often I'd have a 458 but for a more limited use, cobweb clearer I'd still take a Scuderia.

On the topic of the thread, prices seemed to have softened a bit recently after a fair few cars changing hands around the £200k mark - and there also seems to be quite a spread on the asking prices?

[sone]

Johnnyforeigner said:

sone said:

Depends if you want to drive it or look at the bloody thing.
Personally I buy cars to drive them and as mentioned the 458 is a better car.
I suppose if I had money to burn I'd buy a couple of garage queens but until then my cars will be used for what they were made.

I don't think Scud's are that mileage sensitive that they're predominantly being bought to sit in a garage to be just polished and admired, in the same way you see a lot of CS's with healthy mileages that are still sought after and saleable.

As for the 458 being a better car, I agree overall but for a buyer what's 'better' depends on what you want it for. If you're lucky enough to be able to get out often I'd have a 458 but for a more limited use, cobweb clearer I'd still take a Scuderia.

On the topic of the thread, prices seemed to have softened a bit recently after a fair few cars changing hands around the £200k mark - and there also seems to be quite a spread on the asking prices?

They may not have been that mileage sensitive but some have reached that low twenties figure that almost all tend to never surpass in either std 430 or 360 variant. It's that same old Ferrari mileage paranoia which will nobble another model and deem it ornament!

[red_duke]

Johnnyforeigner said:

... after a fair few cars changing hands around the £200k mark

Really? I know the asking price reached £200k but where's the evidence that any actually sold at that price?

[Robbo66]

GRBF430F1 said:

3m 12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_Ywh8I9-4


Not my words but the 458 just isn't as "special" as scuderia which is so intense and purposeful unlike a 458 according to Jethro. Scuderia is so focused for driving with a brutal gearbox that's absolutely brilliant and Ferrari just nailed it.

High praise for the Scuderia given he just got out of the amazing 458 as a direct comparison.

I know what I'd rather have and where I put my money

Edited by GRBF430F1 on Thursday 6th November 19:03

That's looking dated already IMO, having driven both, the 458 knocks spots of aesthetically. The drive is different, but again I would take the 458....but never new. Depreciation is a real nightmare, less so for Magnums less attractive brother here.

[SteelySteve]

Technology moves on, the 430 Scud can't really be compared with a 458 as they are from a differenty time, the Scud is based on a car that was launched in 1999. What makes it special is that it was the pinacle of the platform, the ultimate version of the basic 360 platform, kind of like the F40 was the ultimate evolution of the 308...

Edited by SteelySteve on Friday 7th November 09:18

[Russell996]

SteelySteve said:

Technology moves on, the 430 Scud can't really be compared with a 458 as they are from a different time...

It can for seat of the pants driving enjoyment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_Ywh8I9-4

Edited by Russell996 on Friday 7th November 10:18

[sone]

Robbo66 said:

GRBF430F1 said:

3m 12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_Ywh8I9-4


Not my words but the 458 just isn't as "special" as scuderia which is so intense and purposeful unlike a 458 according to Jethro. Scuderia is so focused for driving with a brutal gearbox that's absolutely brilliant and Ferrari just nailed it.

High praise for the Scuderia given he just got out of the amazing 458 as a direct comparison.

I know what I'd rather have and where I put my money

Edited by GRBF430F1 on Thursday 6th November 19:03

That's looking dated already IMO, having driven both, the 458 knocks spots of aesthetically. The drive is different, but again I would take the 458....but never new. Depreciation is a real nightmare, less so for Magnums less attractive brother here.

+1
It will be interesting what happens when the Speciale has been around for a few years and prices drop sub 200k. Given the choice of a Scud and a Speciale it'd be a no brainer for me and that's a Sp all the way. I can see the market place being slowly saturated with super cars what with Ferrari, McClaren, Lamborghini and Porsche to a degree all producing very good cars. That cant be good for retained values for anything but the very limited edition runs.

[GRBF430F1]

Robbo66 said:

That's looking dated already IMO, having driven both, the 458 knocks spots of aesthetically. The drive is different, but again I would take the 458....but never new. Depreciation is a real nightmare, less so for Magnums less attractive brother here.

Its all about opinions and everyones is different.
At the time I bought the Scuderia I was actually looking to buy a nearly new 458 spider. I then got offered a great deal on a new one built to order but at that point thought what the hell I may as well go all the way and have a Speciale for not a lot more.
The Scuderia wasn't really on the radar but after a week of reflection, when even the Ferrari dealers were telling me I was better off putting my money in a Scud, a cracking Scuderia became available so I just bought it there and then before it was even advertised
Drove to London, inspected it, drove it around the block in Kensington, transferred the funds and drove it home all on the same day.
At this point I can only see myself adding a Speciale to the stable when they have bottomed out in 3 years time possibly

[Slickhillsy]

GRBF430F1 said:

3m 12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_Ywh8I9-4


Not my words but the 458 just isn't as "special" as scuderia which is so intense and purposeful unlike a 458 according to Jethro. Scuderia is so focused for driving with a brutal gearbox that's absolutely brilliant and Ferrari just nailed it.

High praise for the Scuderia given he just got out of the amazing 458 as a direct comparison.

I know what I'd rather have and where I put my money

Edited by GRBF430F1 on Thursday 6th November 19:03

Do you live in Brookside Close by any chance lol...

[PHOENIXUK]

Slickhillsy said:

Do you live in Brookside Close by any chance lol...

[Jules360]

PHOENIXUK said:

Slickhillsy said:

Do you live in Brookside Close by any chance lol...

Wherever it is, it's the new Knightsbridge.

[Robbo66]

sone said:

+1
It will be interesting what happens when the Speciale has been around for a few years and prices drop sub 200k. Given the choice of a Scud and a Speciale it'd be a no brainer for me and that's a Sp all the way. I can see the market place being slowly saturated with super cars what with Ferrari, McClaren, Lamborghini and Porsche to a degree all producing very good cars. That cant be good for retained values for anything but the very limited edition runs.

Agreed, but it will be far lees than ' a few years' . Too many made IMO, new model shortly and new money/fickle will move into that. I for one, think the SP is stunning, but at well over double the price of my GT3, which is actually appreciating, and then the awful F Car depreciation and mileage sensitivity etc.....no thanks.