Scuderia.....testing the market

[JayK12]

Slickhillsy said:

Sounds like an early mid life crisis!!! OK, my advice - buy a Scud (you will love it) and then fit one of these - http://www.supertweaks.com/ferrari/ferrari-exhaust...

That way you have the best of both worlds and you can chat with the misses, when she wont shut up just open the valves again!

There's a solution to everything isn't there haha. Whatever F-Car i get next is going to be a keeper, so need to make the right choice. Not worried about plowing mileage on, or value etc. The car will be driven. This looks nice http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/ferrari-f430-...

[stain]

The Scud feels very different to drive than the standard car, to me. Is it worth 100k more? Yes, to me, which is why I bought one. Personally I'd find it a bit wearing on a really long journey but plenty don't. It is an incredible car but value is too subjective to apply across the board.

[Slickhillsy]

JayK12 said:

Slickhillsy said:

Sounds like an early mid life crisis!!! OK, my advice - buy a Scud (you will love it) and then fit one of these - http://www.supertweaks.com/ferrari/ferrari-exhaust...

That way you have the best of both worlds and you can chat with the misses, when she wont shut up just open the valves again!

There's a solution to everything isn't there haha. Whatever F-Car i get next is going to be a keeper, so need to make the right choice. Not worried about plowing mileage on, or value etc. The car will be driven. This looks nice http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/ferrari-f430-...

If it's a keeper, want an element of track capability and you don't care much about the mileage (if you can) up the budget and go for something like this...

http://www.autoscout24.com/Details.aspx?id=2634794...

Keep an eye on the Euro market, some extremely good deals to be had. I bought a black Scud with tons of extras (20K miles) last Oct from Ferrari Paris (main dealer) and got a 2 year warranty for nearly £100K less than like for a like UK car. First car I've ever owned where I've thought 'keeper' - brutally fast, sounds amazing and a great example of what a Ferrari should be...

This might help you https://vimeo.com/13451587

[kenyon]

SCUD all the way on road or track different league, prefer the rawness, what a ferrari should be! If you want comfort get a maserati!!
If I kept the CS would have been a garage queeen, as so mileage sensitive. Buying the SCUD with low miles allows me to drive for 3-5 years and sell and still get my money back. Yes low mileage Frezza are more expensive, but a ferrari is to be driven not just looked at!! Everyone to their own...
The CS is awesome and its more awesome on the move then parked up...

[Russell996]

red_duke said:

Really Russell? The F430 to 16M price differential is even more extreme at circa £150,000 and for what?

I thought the original question was about tangible improvements the Scuderia offered over the F430. We've all heard the gestalt "The whole is other than the sum of its parts" crap.

Try one, if then you think it feels only marginally different well then no problem, you've saved yourself a fortune.

To put the gear change difference into perspective, the difference is only 90ms as you say, but that makes the F430 2.5 times slower. 60ms SF2 gear changes are an event to be savoured all the time on every drive, the extra money is worth it for that alone - I'd take it over a DCT everyday!

[JayK12]

Slickhillsy said:

JayK12 said:

Slickhillsy said:

Sounds like an early mid life crisis!!! OK, my advice - buy a Scud (you will love it) and then fit one of these - http://www.supertweaks.com/ferrari/ferrari-exhaust...

That way you have the best of both worlds and you can chat with the misses, when she wont shut up just open the valves again!

There's a solution to everything isn't there haha. Whatever F-Car i get next is going to be a keeper, so need to make the right choice. Not worried about plowing mileage on, or value etc. The car will be driven. This looks nice http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/ferrari-f430-...

If it's a keeper, want an element of track capability and you don't care much about the mileage (if you can) up the budget and go for something like this...

http://www.autoscout24.com/Details.aspx?id=2634794...

Keep an eye on the Euro market, some extremely good deals to be had. I bought a black Scud with tons of extras (20K miles) last Oct from Ferrari Paris (main dealer) and got a 2 year warranty for nearly £100K less than like for a like UK car. First car I've ever owned where I've thought 'keeper' - brutally fast, sounds amazing and a great example of what a Ferrari should be...

This might help you https://vimeo.com/13451587

You bad bad man haha.
That's a really good buy!! Yeah i read your import thread and got in touch with Jack

[JayK12]

kenyon said:

SCUD all the way on road or track different league, prefer the rawness, what a ferrari should be! If you want comfort get a maserati!!
If I kept the CS would have been a garage queeen, as so mileage sensitive. Buying the SCUD with low miles allows me to drive for 3-5 years and sell and still get my money back. Yes low mileage Frezza are more expensive, but a ferrari is to be driven not just looked at!! Everyone to their own...
The CS is awesome and its more awesome on the move then parked up...

A Ferrari should but raw yes i agree, but too raw and i'll just keep my race car for track and a F430 for road. Different kettle of fish yes but rawness has its limits also.

360 CS is my dream car, but stretching to that price is too much. If i bought one it would loose loads of money because i would put the miles on like crazy haha.

[red_duke]

Russell996 said:

Try one, if then you think it feels only marginally different well then no problem, you've saved yourself a fortune.!

I did exactly that in 2012 when I tested a Scuderia that Dick Lovett had in stock. The cost to change back then was only £70000 and I still didn't think it worthwhile.

Russell996 said:

60ms SF2 gear changes are an event to be savoured all the time on every drive, the extra money is worth it for that alone - I'd take it over a DCT everyday!

You have to be driving aggressively for the SF2 gearbox to shift in 60 milliseconds. In normal use it's as slow as the F430.

Agree with you about DCT transmissions though.

[Slickhillsy]

red_duke said:

You have to be driving aggressively for the SF2 gearbox to shift in 60 milliseconds.

Which is where you spend most of your time!

You're missing a key point here. This chap is looking to buy one from Europe, are you telling me a Scud for sub £100K (and a good one to boot) is not worth it!

Bargain of the year IMO and is definitely a sleeping dragon, remember it has been regarded as one of the great modern Ferraris - now at the bottom of the depreciation curve wit the 488 coming these things are only going one way.

[Johnnyforeigner]

red_duke said:

Russell996 said:

LOL - so wrong!

Really Russell? The F430 to 16M price differential is even more extreme at circa £150,000 and for what?

I thought the original question was about tangible improvements the Scuderia offered over the F430. We've all heard the gestalt "The whole is other than the sum of its parts" crap.

Have you driven a Scuderia/16M?
Admittedly the price differential over the standard 430 has grown recently but that supports that they are a different drive to the standard car and that there's enough buyers that don't see the F430 as being in the same market segment.
I agree that on paper the increments would make it hard to justify the premium but on the road/track the Scuderia is a different animal to the F430 rather than the same car with a few inconsequential changes and a few other bits left in the parts bin.
The same is true for the CS and the Speciale, to dismiss them as being so marginally different to the standard car is ridiculous.

[red_duke]

I agree a sub £100,000 LHD imported Scuderia is great value if you want to take a punt.

I just don't think UK RHD examples at £170,000 are £100,000 more car than an F430 from a driving perspective. I'd rather do something else with the £100,000.

[Slickhillsy]

red_duke said:

I agree a sub £100,000 LHD imported Scuderia is great value if you want to take a punt.

I just don't think UK RHD examples at £170,000 are £100,000 more car than an F430 from a driving perspective. I'd rather do something else with the £100,000.

You can lead a horse to water................

[red_duke]

Slickhillsy said:

You can lead a horse to water................

Now as an ex 996 owner, your Desmosedici I TOTALY get!

[Russell996]

red_duke said:

You have to be driving aggressively for the SF2 gearbox to shift in 60 milliseconds. In normal use it's as slow as the F430.

Agree with you about DCT transmissions though.

No need to be aggressive, you can invoke SF2 on demand for both up and down changes. Nothing beats a double down change in 60ms for a quick overtake.

[Slickhillsy]

red_duke said:

Now as an ex 996 owner, your Desmosedici I TOTALY get!

My friend that is a whole other conversation, is a shame more car folk don't appreciate a special motor cycle. Something like the Desmo puts things in to perspective and leaves 'everything' mentioned on here for dust (in the right hands of course )

[JayK12]

Slickhillsy said:

red_duke said:

Now as an ex 996 owner, your Desmosedici I TOTALY get!

My friend that is a whole other conversation, is a shame more car folk don't appreciate a special motor cycle. Something like the Desmo puts things in to perspective and leaves 'everything' mentioned on here for dust (in the right hands of course )

My uncle just bought a really nice 1098r running 200hp, I used to have a CBR600RR, great fun bikes. But now I stick to cars.

Can't wait to get my next Fcar and be screaming at 8K rpm everywhere lol

[GRBF430F1]

Why are some Premiership strikers on 10 x the amount of a premiership defender when they both can play football in the top league.
No it doesn't make sense or stack up but we are talking about something that's at the top of its game and is so elite it commands a premium.

What that premium is, is down to the individual and is no set figure.

I've had both cars. At £40,000 to change back in 2012 I passed it up as being too much. In 2014 I paid an extra £30,000
( effectively £70,000 )to buy a 430 Scuderia.
Didn't get it first time round, but totally got it 2nd time around. The Scuderia is a real drivers car and the Superfast II gearbox is the best out there including DSG's. It just suits the style of car better than the DSG's

No of course its not twice the standard car but if you are looking for that little extra thrill it does deliver a whole new level of driving experience.

Would I pay £100k more now for a RHD car knowing what I know, - probably not.
The reason being I would use the £100k to buy a LHD for track and euro hoons which makes total sense to me

[KenC]

Scuderia at £220k in PH classified now showing as Sold.

[GRBF430F1]

KenC said:

Scuderia at £220k in PH classified now showing as Sold.

Buyers remorse ? As still showing for sale tonight

Think ultra low mileage cars will still command a premium to go into a collection but having taken over 3 months to sell a mint Rosso Scuderia perfect spec 15,000 mile car with 18 mths Ferrari warranty for just £175k in February there are some run of the mill cars which are never going to realise their advertised prices. I could of put mine up for £190k compared with some of these advertised prices but then I'm sure I would be still sitting on it. The market talks and the increased availability of good LHD scuds has got to have an impact on these RHD cars now

[KenC]

GRBF430F1 said:

Buyers remorse ? As still showing for sale tonight

No, this one is sold.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...