Scuderia.....testing the market

Scuderia.....testing the market

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Rocco1

3,081 posts

182 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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GRBF430F1

4,843 posts

169 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Looks like people are cashing in at the £200k mark. No surprise really given a LHD one can be had for half the money

KenC

691 posts

234 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Guide price is higher than any previous or current asking price and it is LHD.

stain

1,051 posts

209 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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Crikey! It is certainly one of a kind. Interesting that they went mad speccing the inside but didn't go for the stripe which is synonymous with the CS / Scud versions.

AmoCS

1,143 posts

218 months

Friday 1st May 2015
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KenC said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Guide price is higher than any previous or current asking price and it is LHD.
This was on sale last summer (see centre of page)

http://www.clubstradale.com/ferrari-430-scuderia-s...

It was unregistered and unused then with delivery miles.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Friday 1st May 2015
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stain said:
Crikey! It is certainly one of a kind. Interesting that they went mad speccing the inside but didn't go for the stripe which is synonymous with the CS / Scud versions.
Missing a few things actually (for my own personal spec)...

No roll bar
No alcantara extra around the foot well
Colour coded stitching
3 point harness
Stripe

Don't think they have a hope in hell in reaching the guide. These things (LHD) are great value right now with a fair amount of choice, simply unrealistic...

911Thrasher

2,573 posts

198 months

Friday 1st May 2015
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KenC said:
strong optimistic offer...but I would love that spec: color is simply amazing. Works actually quite well with the red alcantara interior.

Stripe? who needs a stripe

gt500nick

960 posts

137 months

Friday 1st May 2015
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it might be a rare spec but for good reason the interior is horrid to my eyes. this is very strong money for a lhd car i would expect it to only get bid of around 120-130k being that you can pick one up for around 100k in Europe. I did see the car in the February auction but it wasn't in the catalog just in the show.

tony h

2,703 posts

245 months

Friday 1st May 2015
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I think it looks great ! love the grigio medio paint

mattf93

1,273 posts

114 months

Friday 1st May 2015
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KenC said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Guide price is higher than any previous or current asking price and it is LHD.
Possibly down to the fact it is quite high specced (bar the fact of no stripe)

And it would appear its an unregisters 'as new' delivery mileage example - so surely for a serious collector that has some weighting even if it is LHD. Although i agree prima facie it seems expensive, but if you think about how low mileage f40s sell now - could bode well for a future investment.

However personally I wouldn't touch it, Ferraris are meant to be driven not pampered excessively and left idle for 363 days of the year (MOT and service being the days of use) I can't quite see the point.
These cars should be driven or in quite a few cases tracked so that their full potential be let loose - seems unfair to the car having it garaged all the time but guess that is the nature of some owners its merely an appreciating number that isn't taxable....

gt500nick

960 posts

137 months

Saturday 2nd May 2015
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When I was first looking to by a cs a few years back I found a unregistered car in Germany at a classic car dealer. It was the same colour scheme as this scuderia, it somehow had 2000 miles on it though. The interior was everything possible red leather including the steering wheel, felt like sitting in a butchers. However I thought the paint was a little off and the dealer came clean it was originally black and repainted silver. I found it all too odd and even though it was cheap at £75k at the time, however I could see it has not been loved and it looked like rodent droppings inside the engine bay. I keep waiting for the car to show up again soon with a £200k price tag.

Personally I would rather invest in a car with paperwork and traceable history, much more peace of mind.

AmoCS

1,143 posts

218 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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Over 30 for sale at the moment eek

Has the market finally saturated?

thegoat46

126 posts

161 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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AmoCS said:
Over 30 for sale at the moment eek

Has the market finally saturated?
Everybody's thought the same thing. Oh soon as summer arrives I'll sell mine as I can make x amount! This is the start of that bubble everyone is talking about. Forums have 'talked' certain cars up. Now it's gonna take 12 months for prices to settle. Best thing you should do as an owner is remove from sale, enjoy car and re advertise once there true values found.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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thegoat46 said:
Everybody's thought the same thing. Oh soon as summer arrives I'll sell mine as I can make x amount! This is the start of that bubble everyone is talking about. Forums have 'talked' certain cars up. Now it's gonna take 12 months for prices to settle. Best thing you should do as an owner is remove from sale, enjoy car and re advertise once there true values found.
Rubbish... Numbers are up due to the increase in LHD imports. Simple fact...

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

169 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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28 for sale is an all time record as far as my memory recalls - Count 14 RHD and 14 LHD. Never seen so many of either TBH

When I was buying my RHD Scuderia you were lucky if there was 5/6 RHD cars for sale and probably less LHD at the time

Loads more LHD coming in now as they seem such good value in comparison and this is definitely a shift in the demand.

There is also a huge discrepancy in RHD pricing, up to as much as £40k on similar cars but the only ones I see selling recently are those advertised at £180k.
Maybe a lot of these cars are on SOR and the owners are being optimistic and speculating on what they can return.

This has got to be the peak now for 2015 and IMHO all the signs suggest a correction is overdue but quite the opposite is happening with dealers just keep upping the asking price and hoping someone is willing to pay that sort of silly money. It only takes 1

As a seasonal type car I would want to be in one now as its already May and the nights will be drawing in soon again

There I was with my basic economics degree thinking it was all about supply and demand

thegoat46

126 posts

161 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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Slickhillsy said:
thegoat46 said:
Everybody's thought the same thing. Oh soon as summer arrives I'll sell mine as I can make x amount! This is the start of that bubble everyone is talking about. Forums have 'talked' certain cars up. Now it's gonna take 12 months for prices to settle. Best thing you should do as an owner is remove from sale, enjoy car and re advertise once there true values found.
Rubbish... Numbers are up due to the increase in LHD imports. Simple fact...
Not rubbish at all, nearly a 50/50 split in lhd vs rhd. Owners have left it till summer to 'cash' in and it's back fired! All none owners can see this and are just sitting back till prices settle. Of course current owners get all offensive as I quess your a current owner 😂😜. Now forgot about values and enjoy your car 👍

AmoCS

1,143 posts

218 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Including other places like AT etc... there are over 30 for sale.
You can also see some ads are from private collectors.

I've been keeping track of sales for last 12 months and can see that the market has stalled.
There might be a few RHD's built, but overall the number produced was around 3,000.

http://www.clubstradale.com/ferrari-430-scuderia-s...

Edited by AmoCS on Saturday 9th May 07:30

Rocco1

3,081 posts

182 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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There remain very little low milage Scuds around which seem to sell quickly and at a premium
The ones on offer seem to be 8000 miles and above and the price tag is some what off putting
The rest are LHD not to everyones taste

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Personally think it's the combo of LHD imports and people moving out of their Suds to their Speciale orders + normal market movements...

Take either / both of the first two drivers out the mix and you'd have a less saturated market place.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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RamboLambo said:
As a seasonal type car I would want to be in one now as its already May and the nights will be drawing in soon again
And no more of this negativity Rambo - I've only just got the BBQ out!!!!!!! smile