Scuderia.....testing the market
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Interesting stats (if indeed these are accurate)...
In spite of recent LHD imports looks like the overall number of registered Scuds has declined since it's peak at release in 2009 118 to just 87 registered and sorn. Could be the 'Asia effect' coming in to play?
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari_430_...
- Speciale is still to new but overall numbers are 158
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari_458_...
- Cant seem to find the 360 CS stats as they dont differentiate from base model but would assume it would be the lowest of the lot...
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari_360_...
In spite of recent LHD imports looks like the overall number of registered Scuds has declined since it's peak at release in 2009 118 to just 87 registered and sorn. Could be the 'Asia effect' coming in to play?
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari_430_...
- Speciale is still to new but overall numbers are 158
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari_458_...
- Cant seem to find the 360 CS stats as they dont differentiate from base model but would assume it would be the lowest of the lot...
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari_360_...
Edited by Slickhillsy on Tuesday 28th July 13:03
Slickhillsy said:
Interesting stats (if indeed these are accurate)...
In spite of recent LHD imports looks like the overall number of registered Scuds has declined since it's peak at release in 2009 118 to just 87 registered and sorn. Could be the 'Asia effect' coming in to play?
- Speciale is still to new but overall numbers are 158
- Cant seem to find the 360 CS stats as they dont differentiate from base model but would assume it would be the lowest of the lot...
Your figures are wrong for RHD cars sold (you need to look at the New Registrations section and add the years together - for current cars in the UK you add registered and SORN together), there were originally 165 Scuds registered new according to Howmanyleft, 165 already showing for Speciale and as you say the CS is too old to be represented but Ferrari published figures so we know there were 119 UK cars. (cars that appear in recent years for new registrations are LHD imports being UK registered for the first time)In spite of recent LHD imports looks like the overall number of registered Scuds has declined since it's peak at release in 2009 118 to just 87 registered and sorn. Could be the 'Asia effect' coming in to play?
- Speciale is still to new but overall numbers are 158
- Cant seem to find the 360 CS stats as they dont differentiate from base model but would assume it would be the lowest of the lot...
Many many CS's and Scuds have gone south.
Russell996 said:
Your figures are wrong for RHD cars sold (you need to look at the New Registrations section and add the years together - for current cars in the UK you add registered and SORN together), there were originally 165 Scuds registered new according to Howmanyleft, 165 already showing for Speciale and as you say the CS is too old to be represented but Ferrari published figures so we know there were 119 UK cars. (cars that appear in recent years for new registrations are LHD imports being UK registered for the first time)
Many many CS's and Scuds have gone south.
Understood and stand corrected sir... Still low numbers / declining trend overall.Many many CS's and Scuds have gone south.
Prices do seem to still be on the march and would assume the LHD price jump is partly due to the RHD rises pulling them up.
This (hate to use this expression but) 'higher' mile example sits at £140K whereas cars like this at the start of the year were listed for about £120K
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
More examples...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Even in Euroland the prices are up (supply and demand driving that) with entry level to a decent car now circa 150K / 160K Euro's aka £110K +/-
http://www.autoscout24.com/ListGN.aspx?vis=1&s...
This (hate to use this expression but) 'higher' mile example sits at £140K whereas cars like this at the start of the year were listed for about £120K
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
More examples...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Even in Euroland the prices are up (supply and demand driving that) with entry level to a decent car now circa 150K / 160K Euro's aka £110K +/-
http://www.autoscout24.com/ListGN.aspx?vis=1&s...
Slickhillsy said:
Prices do seem to still be on the march and would assume the LHD price jump is partly due to the RHD rises pulling them up.
This (hate to use this expression but) 'higher' mile example sits at £140K whereas cars like this at the start of the year were listed for about £120K
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
More examples...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Even in Euroland the prices are up (supply and demand driving that) with entry level to a decent car now circa 150K / 160K Euro's aka £110K +/-
http://www.autoscout24.com/ListGN.aspx?vis=1&s...
This (hate to use this expression but) 'higher' mile example sits at £140K whereas cars like this at the start of the year were listed for about £120K
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
More examples...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Even in Euroland the prices are up (supply and demand driving that) with entry level to a decent car now circa 150K / 160K Euro's aka £110K +/-
http://www.autoscout24.com/ListGN.aspx?vis=1&s...
The crazy thing was tail end of the summer last year I was sourcing a customer a low miles (circa 2,000 mile car) in Rosso Scuderia & Ferrari Warranty, LHD Italian car, completely off market all for sub £90k GBP - & it was a case of there were a couple around that mark, not just the odd one!
C'est la vie - I don't see much room left on the Scuderia's now, I've suggested to most customers to avoid the Scuderia's as there comes a point where it gets a little silly! (CS's were the same recently! Although they're still worth going for due to the limited numbers).
Next stop...Diablo's
Edited by ironictwist on Thursday 30th July 13:20
Its fine to imagine that the RHD Scud prices in the adverts are currently being achieved, and that a/your sub 10k mile Scud is worth £200k+, in reality dream on !
The same cars have been advertised for months on end, ever since the dealers marked them all up from around the £160 - £175k mark to £200k+ overnight.
They are only worth what someone will pay, and that I suspect is at the 160 - 175k level tops.
It is the same with several models, look at F40's, talked up from around £600k to £800k, but sales appear to have stopped. If a car is not sold within a month of coming onto the stage, it is overpriced. I appreciate that dealers may find it hard to replace stock if they suddenly sell a few cars, but selling no cars may be far worse.
Just an opinion.
The same cars have been advertised for months on end, ever since the dealers marked them all up from around the £160 - £175k mark to £200k+ overnight.
They are only worth what someone will pay, and that I suspect is at the 160 - 175k level tops.
It is the same with several models, look at F40's, talked up from around £600k to £800k, but sales appear to have stopped. If a car is not sold within a month of coming onto the stage, it is overpriced. I appreciate that dealers may find it hard to replace stock if they suddenly sell a few cars, but selling no cars may be far worse.
Just an opinion.
Edited by dudlow on Thursday 30th July 16:38
I have to say, I do agree with this. The market is bonkers - I bought my car from Dick Lovett just a couple of months ago, it had been for sale with them for 6 months or more... If I were to pitch it against some of the prices being advertised now, it would be 30k + more, in just a matter of weeks! Is this for real? It' certainly cannot be sustainable... RHD's have been sticking for months - it's tempting to bail out the LHD for a RHD.
dudlow said:
Its fine to imagine that the RHD Scud prices in the adverts are currently being achieved, and that a/your sub 10k mile Scud is worth £200k+, in reality dream on !
The same cars have been advertised for months on end, ever since the dealers marked them all up from around the £160 - £175k mark to £200k+ overnight.
They are only worth what someone will pay, and that I suspect is at the 160 - 175k level tops.
It is the same with several models, look at F40's, talked up from around £600k to £800k, but sales appear to have stopped. If a car is not sold within a month of coming onto the stage, it is overpriced. I appreciate that dealers may find it hard to replace stock if they suddenly sell a few cars, but selling no cars may be far worse.
Just an opinion.
The same cars have been advertised for months on end, ever since the dealers marked them all up from around the £160 - £175k mark to £200k+ overnight.
They are only worth what someone will pay, and that I suspect is at the 160 - 175k level tops.
It is the same with several models, look at F40's, talked up from around £600k to £800k, but sales appear to have stopped. If a car is not sold within a month of coming onto the stage, it is overpriced. I appreciate that dealers may find it hard to replace stock if they suddenly sell a few cars, but selling no cars may be far worse.
Just an opinion.
Edited by dudlow on Thursday 30th July 16:38
Interesting POV on sticking prices. Even happening on the dark side with prices of 991 GT3s reportedly stagnating even coming down...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Meriden had 3 up at £199,999 and they haven't opened a door in months. The oldest one was recently dropped to £189,999 and still hasn't sold in over 6 months. With the summer season coming to an end the £200k has certainly become an obstacle for this year.
Who knows what next year will bring but dealers would rather sit on a potentially appreciating Scud than a depreciating 458 that's for sure
Who knows what next year will bring but dealers would rather sit on a potentially appreciating Scud than a depreciating 458 that's for sure
AmoCS said:
Highish miles, some strange aftermarket door speakers that look completely odd on a Scud and also advertised on mobile.de so a few mixed messages there. He probably paid £85-£90k for it before the madness so still a decent markup.Russell996 said:
AmoCS said:
Demand and supply.
c1200 CS made, and c3500 Scuds.
Don't talk silly!c1200 CS made, and c3500 Scuds.
119UK CS's and 165UK Scuds.
Well aware of UK numbers -
http://www.challengestradale.co.uk/cs12.htm
UK market is now a mix of LHD and RHD.
AmoCS said:
I was talking about world wide figures.
Well aware of UK numbers -
http://www.challengestradale.co.uk/cs12.htm
UK market is now a mix of LHD and RHD.
The actual figure for the Worldwide number of Scuds is nothing like your Scud figure, you are simply quoting the figure that has been posted on many forums - I have myself been guilty of quoting this figure in the past when I had a CS and thought the Scud was far more common! But it is far from accurate, I have posted many times that the UK market clearly demonstrates that a UK figure of 165 Scuds suggests far fewer cars than has previously been suggested (mostly by CS owners it has to be said) when you consider the UK is historically around 9-10% of production - you do the maths! More than this the car registers also confirm the number is well under 2000 cars, the F-Register for instance currently has details on 952 CS's and 1390 Scuds. Using their expected figures for the % of cars in the database after more than 5 years of production finishing and also comparing it to the known number of CS's this gives a guide figure of 1850 Scuds at most.Well aware of UK numbers -
http://www.challengestradale.co.uk/cs12.htm
UK market is now a mix of LHD and RHD.
The figures are there, 6-7 years ago when the Scud production figures were first quoted they were nothing but hearsay!
Russell996 said:
The actual figure for the Worldwide number of Scuds is nothing like your Scud figure, you are simply quoting the figure that has been posted on many forums - I have myself been guilty of quoting this figure in the past when I had a CS and thought the Scud was far more common! But it is far from accurate, I have posted many times that the UK market clearly demonstrates that a UK figure of 165 Scuds suggests far fewer cars than has previously been suggested (mostly by CS owners it has to be said) when you consider the UK is historically around 9-10% of production - you do the maths! More than this the car registers also confirm the number is well under 2000 cars, the F-Register for instance currently has details on 952 CS's and 1390 Scuds. Using their expected figures for the % of cars in the database after more than 5 years of production finishing and also comparing it to the known number of CS's this gives a guide figure of 1850 Scuds at most.
The figures are there, 6-7 years ago when the Scud production figures were first quoted they were nothing but hearsay!
The Scud figure is not correct, although I don't know the exact figure. However, the number quoted is partly inflated by lumping in the 16M. Incidentally, I believe there were 164 Scuds new to the UK, not 165. Although you are correct in stating that the UK generally gets 10% of production I think it may be less in respect of the Scud because of the financial crisis at the time. FWIW I have about 1,600 Scud chassis numbers. The figures are there, 6-7 years ago when the Scud production figures were first quoted they were nothing but hearsay!
Jonathan
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