Scuderia.....testing the market

[Fokker]

Thanks Slickhilly, much appreciated.

So you see no issues in buying a LHD car for the UK in terms of resale?

I was also thinking of a CS - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

I was told that the Scud was more of a production car whereas the 360 CS was a proper limited car and hence could be a better investment? Not sure if thats true or not?

Which would be the best buy in your opinion?

[Slickhillsy]

Fokker said:

Thanks Slickhilly, much appreciated.

So you see no issues in buying a LHD car for the UK in terms of resale?

I was also thinking of a CS - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

I was told that the Scud was more of a production car whereas the 360 CS was a proper limited car and hence could be a better investment? Not sure if thats true or not?

Which would be the best buy in your opinion?

Hmmm 2 questions there.

1. LHD market is alive and well in the uk, has many positives - Perfect if you use the car for Euro trips / better driving position (don't get the RHD pedal offset due to the front wheel arch) and of course circa 30% less out lay to get in one. LHD / RHD prices tend to reach near parity over time - only really applies if you intend to keep the car another 10 / 15+ years though. LHD global market is bigger so while not as collectable as RHD when you come to sell you'll have more opportunity. Negatives are that LHD car are compromised on uk roads for obvious reasons but plan your over takes well and this is easily manageable. Used to be that Euro prices were cheaper than UK but Euro land has woken up and now it's close if not cheaper to buy LHD cars here.

2. Which is better. Tough one that as I LOVE the CS but now that I own a Scud I don't think I'd change. Horses for courses really so up to you... Either way you will not be disappointed.

[Russell996]

Fokker said:

I was told that the Scud was more of a production car whereas the 360 CS was a proper limited car and hence could be a better investment? Not sure if thats true or not?

Which would be the best buy in your opinion?

The CS was produced in lower quantities but not a limited production car: >1300 as opposed to >2000.
Try both if you can, CS sounds superb but the gearbox in the Scud is amazing and still outclasses the latest DCG's for driver fun.

[Fokker]

Thank you very much for that. Good info there. I'm thinking Scud over a CS as its more modern and yes, the gearbox... Just watched the old Harris AutoCar vid from Fiorano and he loved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYDY-1RAFrk

I hear cam belts are every 5 years at what? £3500 plus VAT?

What are the yearly running costs in terms of servicing roughly?

[KenC]

Servicing costs will depend upon your mileage. Scud has chain so no belt changes required.

[Fokker]

KenC said:

Servicing costs will depend upon your mileage. Scud has chain so no belt changes required.

Thats good to know. I'd only be doing about 2000 miles per year but I guess the services are 12 monthly?
My other thought was the Carbon discs. I know from experience that replacing them on a GT3 isn't something you want to be doing as they're about 6k each and skimming them is possible but again nothing something you want to be doing! what sort of lifespan do they have if looked after?

Edited by Fokker on Thursday 19th May 13:51

[Slickhillsy]

Fokker said:

KenC said:

Servicing costs will depend upon your mileage. Scud has chain so no belt changes required.

Thats good to know. I'd only be doing about 2000 miles per year but I guess the services are 12 monthly?

LOL - I thought that before I bought it. Drive it and then see what your mileage is - I have trouble keeping out of mine!

[KenC]

Fokker said:

KenC said:

Servicing costs will depend upon your mileage. Scud has chain so no belt changes required.

Thats good to know. I'd only be doing about 2000 miles per year but I guess the services are 12 monthly?

Standard servicing should be under a grand a year and double that at 6,250 and 18,750 miles so it will depend upon the mileage when you buy.

[Russell996]

Fokker said:

Thank you very much for that. Good info there. I'm thinking Scud over a CS as its more modern and yes, the gearbox... Just watched the old Harris AutoCar vid from Fiorano and he loved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYDY-1RAFrk

I hear cam belts are every 5 years at what? £3500 plus VAT?

What are the yearly running costs in terms of servicing roughly?

Annual service on my 16M at franchised dealer is approx. £800 and larger mileage services approx. £1600. You can add a Ferrari warranty on any car up to 12 years old at approx. £3k per annum (inspection required) - whether it is worth it is a personal choice although perhaps year 1 of ownership of a used car is a sensible choice while you get to know the car and it's history/reliability. No problems on mine in 6 years (18k miles) except oil seal weeping last year - but not a warranty item any way.
Plenty of good independents.

Edited by Russell996 on Thursday 19th May 13:58

[911Thrasher]

I personally have had 2 LHD Strad and 1 LHD Scud...no issue here in London, so leaving with it daily.
But like said, prepare your turns as the rear quarter vision is quite limited.

From purchasing experience however, I'd stick to LHD European cars with traceable European history. I wouldn't touch a US or Asian car, as the history becomes rather untraceable when relocating. Try to understand Japanese/Chinese or HPI history from the US when changing from States to States and then Europe.

I went to see a silver Japanese Strad...looked all fine until the history was in Japanese (to be expected) and we discovered irregularities in the paint. http://www.challenge-stradale.com/137869.html
As for US cars, there is a beautiful rare TdF one at auction right now, looks all clean on UK papers (and European style bumpers)...but it's been smashed up in Hawaii, then sold/rebuilt on the US continent somewhere before being exported again to Europe. Needless to say, its papers appear very clean. http://www.challenge-stradale.com/138791.html

[Fokker]

Good website that. Is there a similar one for the Scuderia's?

[Slickhillsy]

Fokker said:

Good website that. Is there a similar one for the Scuderia's?

Afraid not...

[Fokker]

Spent the majority of the day on the phone to people selling Scuds both dealers and indie's. While the dealers are offering a nice 2 year safety net the price is quite a bit more for obvious reasons.
I have been told that there is no such thing as a HPI check in Europe so if buying a LHD car from an indie thats been bought from Europe, it can be a lottery as to whether that car has been accident damaged.
Dealers would know I am sure but would an indie know and if it was damaged would they declare it??

I'm in 2 minds as to what to do. Spend the extra on a car from a Ferrari dealer with piece of mind or chance it from an indie and save what, £20k?
Some dealers such as Octane Collection offer NO warranty at all, not even 3 months but will offer to take to a dealer for a check up / warranty preparation.

Would buying a car like this from an indie with no warranty be something others would consider??

[Slickhillsy]

This has just popped up, looks rather nice and competitively priced...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

[S1ufo]

Fokker said:

Spent the majority of the day on the phone to people selling Scuds both dealers and indie's. While the dealers are offering a nice 2 year safety net the price is quite a bit more for obvious reasons.
I have been told that there is no such thing as a HPI check in Europe so if buying a LHD car from an indie thats been bought from Europe, it can be a lottery as to whether that car has been accident damaged.
Dealers would know I am sure but would an indie know and if it was damaged would they declare it??

I'm in 2 minds as to what to do. Spend the extra on a car from a Ferrari dealer with piece of mind or chance it from an indie and save what, £20k?
Some dealers such as Octane Collection offer NO warranty at all, not even 3 months but will offer to take to a dealer for a check up / warranty preparation.

Would buying a car like this from an indie with no warranty be something others would consider??

Have you found a car yet? Having sold my car at the end of last year, im on the hunt for another... The market certainly seems to have stabilised, but the spread for these cars is vast, especially LHD...

[ironictwist]

Fokker said:

Spent the majority of the day on the phone to people selling Scuds both dealers and indie's. While the dealers are offering a nice 2 year safety net the price is quite a bit more for obvious reasons.
I have been told that there is no such thing as a HPI check in Europe so if buying a LHD car from an indie thats been bought from Europe, it can be a lottery as to whether that car has been accident damaged.
Dealers would know I am sure but would an indie know and if it was damaged would they declare it??

I'm in 2 minds as to what to do. Spend the extra on a car from a Ferrari dealer with piece of mind or chance it from an indie and save what, £20k?
Some dealers such as Octane Collection offer NO warranty at all, not even 3 months but will offer to take to a dealer for a check up / warranty preparation.

Would buying a car like this from an indie with no warranty be something others would consider??

Yes as long as the inspection checks out...I do the same for customers. Even the dealers in the EU have occasionally got it wrong & taken on an accident damaged car which only became known once inspected by a 3rd party, buying from a Ferrari dealer doesn't always guarantee a clean car as I know various potential buyers have found it.

The fees/cost of taking someone along that knows what they're looking for along with a co-operative dealer with facilities to have the car put up in the air is key before you part with money while prices are at the range they are.

Regardless, don't rush it...Don't feel you must buy what's there, there are/will always be other Scuds/CS's to look at should a potentially clean looking car prior to inspection turn out to be not as clean as originally thought.

[mwstewart]

Fokker said:

...Some dealers such as Octane Collection offer NO warranty at all, not even 3 months but will offer to take to a dealer for a check up / warranty preparation...

They may think they don't offer a warranty, but by law they are accountable http://www.lawgistics.co.uk/legal-article-warranty...

[topless360]

Slickhillsy said:

This has just popped up, looks rather nice and competitively priced...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

I'm amazed that anyone can think those images are acceptable when selling a £137k car. Unbelievable.

[MDL111]

ironictwist said:

Fokker said:

Spent the majority of the day on the phone to people selling Scuds both dealers and indie's. While the dealers are offering a nice 2 year safety net the price is quite a bit more for obvious reasons.
I have been told that there is no such thing as a HPI check in Europe so if buying a LHD car from an indie thats been bought from Europe, it can be a lottery as to whether that car has been accident damaged.
Dealers would know I am sure but would an indie know and if it was damaged would they declare it??

I'm in 2 minds as to what to do. Spend the extra on a car from a Ferrari dealer with piece of mind or chance it from an indie and save what, £20k?
Some dealers such as Octane Collection offer NO warranty at all, not even 3 months but will offer to take to a dealer for a check up / warranty preparation.

Would buying a car like this from an indie with no warranty be something others would consider??

Yes as long as the inspection checks out...I do the same for customers. Even the dealers in the EU have occasionally got it wrong & taken on an accident damaged car which only became known once inspected by a 3rd party, buying from a Ferrari dealer doesn't always guarantee a clean car as I know various potential buyers have found it.

The fees/cost of taking someone along that knows what they're looking for along with a co-operative dealer with facilities to have the car put up in the air is key before you part with money while prices are at the range they are.

Regardless, don't rush it...Don't feel you must buy what's there, there are/will always be other Scuds/CS's to look at should a potentially clean looking car prior to inspection turn out to be not as clean as originally thought.

I thought that dealers dont guarantee that are car is accident free anyway - bought a car from an OPC and an official Ferrari dealer and both only gave me wording along the lines of "accident free according to previous owner" .

[Slickhillsy]

topless360 said:

Slickhillsy said:

This has just popped up, looks rather nice and competitively priced...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

I'm amazed that anyone can think those images are acceptable when selling a £137k car. Unbelievable.

Half decent for a private seller, certainly enough to stir the interest of someone in the market. If the car looks good in these honest type photos (which it does) then all good...