CS noise vs. Scud noise...
Discussion
In the market and split between the two cars. Love the epic noise of the CS styling but cant ignor ths Scud and the modern spin on the same ethos it brings to the table...
Would i be right in saying if you fit something like a full Capristo to the Scud you are there abouts ( compared to the CS ) with the noise or are they really that very different?
Both cars make me feel 10 again with excitement and just having a tough time deciding to go left or right (great choice to have though
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Thoughts please - cheers in advance...
Mark
Would i be right in saying if you fit something like a full Capristo to the Scud you are there abouts ( compared to the CS ) with the noise or are they really that very different?
Both cars make me feel 10 again with excitement and just having a tough time deciding to go left or right (great choice to have though
)Thoughts please - cheers in advance...
Mark
Hi, The 430S seems to have a more deep note, whilst the CS has a louder Shriek.
Plenty of videos here of 430S's with different exhaust setups.
http://www.clubstradale.com/430-scuderia-458-speci...
Plenty of videos here of 430S's with different exhaust setups.
http://www.clubstradale.com/430-scuderia-458-speci...
Physics says a 430 with its 4.3L engine will be deeper than a 3.6L, but obviously most of the fundamental pitch of the note comes from the resonant frequency(ies) of the back box of an exhaust and also the shape and length of the pipes connecting to it.
All I know is the 360 with its 5 valves per cylinder sounds amazing at full throttle with the Strad exhaust
All I know is the 360 with its 5 valves per cylinder sounds amazing at full throttle with the Strad exhaust
Whilst the sound is a very important part of the overall driving experience I would not base my whole decision on that 1 element.
Its the overall package that counts and where the Scuderia really does come out as the winner.
Could go on and bore you with the F1 technology and Michael Schumachers involvement in the car but at the end of the day its down to individual preference and I happen to prefer the Scuderia
Its the overall package that counts and where the Scuderia really does come out as the winner.
Could go on and bore you with the F1 technology and Michael Schumachers involvement in the car but at the end of the day its down to individual preference and I happen to prefer the Scuderia
Cerbieherts said:
The scud has 4 valves per cylinder (as opposed to five on the 360 engine) and a different piston stroke which produces a deeper note. The scud has a valved intake system (a holtz valve) which changes the tuned intake noise when compared with the normal 430...
This is the answer to the OP. No aftermarket exhaust is going to make a Scud sound like a Strad. Sorry....Traded my CS for a Scud in May, the only downside is the noise but for me it's made up for by both the F1-S gearbox and the overall huge leap in dynamic capability the Scud has over the CS. Fitted the remote valve system from Forza Componenti in the States which allows you to open and close the valves at will - different sound for sure but debatable as to which is best.
£6.5 grand on a Capristo certainly neutralises the sound argument between the 2 cars, but as cars to drive the Scud has it.
£6.5 grand on a Capristo certainly neutralises the sound argument between the 2 cars, but as cars to drive the Scud has it.
Traded my CS for a Scud in May, the only downside is the noise but for me it's made up for by both the F1-S gearbox and the overall huge leap in dynamic capability the Scud has over the CS. Fitted the remote valve system from Forza Componenti in the States which allows you to open and close the valves at will - different sound for sure but debatable as to which is best.
£6.5 grand on a Capristo certainly neutralises the sound argument between the 2 cars, but as cars to drive the Scud has it.
£6.5 grand on a Capristo certainly neutralises the sound argument between the 2 cars, but as cars to drive the Scud has it.
I would also like to point out that on both cars (CS & Scud) when the exhaust valves open there is no silencing - the gases bypass the muffler completely. It should also be pointed out that the Scud (and the CS) do not have pre-cats in the headers.
Therefore, the only thing that is going to materially change the noise at WOT are the cats.
Therefore, the only thing that is going to materially change the noise at WOT are the cats.
A change in diameter of the pipes would also have an effect on the note. The strad/360 factory race exhaust pipes are quite a big diameter on the straight through (valve open) pipes. Probably the same on the scud?
Surprised they got away with this design to be honest - it didn't feel particularly Swiss compliant when I pass through there this summer!
For me the 2 cars that define the Ferrari V8 sound are 355 with capristo preferably and CS.
Surprised they got away with this design to be honest - it didn't feel particularly Swiss compliant when I pass through there this summer!
For me the 2 cars that define the Ferrari V8 sound are 355 with capristo preferably and CS.
Edited by TB303 on Saturday 30th August 14:16
voicey said:
I would also like to point out that on both cars (CS & Scud) when the exhaust valves open there is no silencing - the gases bypass the muffler completely. It should also be pointed out that the Scud (and the CS) do not have pre-cats in the headers.
Therefore, the only thing that is going to materially change the noise at WOT are the cats.
The Scud actually has a rather convoluted valve system as you can see from the pictures. It is the reason the aftermarket exhausts that replace or remove this bit of pipe work achieve quite a different sound. The airflow even valves open looks to have a far from clean route.Therefore, the only thing that is going to materially change the noise at WOT are the cats.
TB303 said:
A change in diameter of the pipes would also have an effect on the note. The strad/360 factory race exhaust pipes are quite a big diameter on the straight through (valve open) pipes. Probably the same on the scud?
Surprised they got away with this design to be honest - it didn't feel particularly Swiss compliant when I pass through there this summer!
For me the 2 cars that define the Ferrari V8 sound are 355 with capristo preferably and CS.
I actually think it's more to do with capacity and 5 valves per cylinder (as apposed to 4 from 430 onwards) than pipe diameter...Surprised they got away with this design to be honest - it didn't feel particularly Swiss compliant when I pass through there this summer!
For me the 2 cars that define the Ferrari V8 sound are 355 with capristo preferably and CS.
Edited by TB303 on Saturday 30th August 14:16
Seeing these images looks like there is some nightmare immission regs pipe work to come out of the Scud that could make a huge difference...
Slickhillsy said:
I actually think it's more to do with capacity and 5 valves per cylinder (as apposed to 4 from 430 onwards) than pipe diameter...
Seeing these images looks like there is some nightmare immission regs pipe work to come out of the Scud that could make a huge difference...
I don't believe the valve configuration has anything to do with emissions regs, my understanding is that the air rail on the Scud manifold is for emissions!Seeing these images looks like there is some nightmare immission regs pipe work to come out of the Scud that could make a huge difference...
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