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jtremlett said:
PHOENIXUK said:
According to Ferrari there are considerably less Speciale's than Scud's, 120 right hand drive is the number I have heard several times, was at my local yesterday for an update on mine, last build date is May, he still has 10 hopers on his books waiting for any cancellations...
martisracing said:
I was told by a UK dealer and a German dealer that there are a lot less Speciales than Scuds. On Ferrarichat the same seems to have been said in the US. The total seems to be around 3000 Scuds and 2000 Speciales being quoted. How true that that I do not know.
griff7 said:
What is the official number of Scuds in the UK ?
There were 164 Scuds delivered new to the UK. Not sure how many now (I don't trust the DoT registration figures that are used for HowManyLeft because I cannot reconcile the different datasets properly). I am expecting slightly more Speciales than that (although fewer Speciale Apertas than 16Ms) when UK deliveries are complete particularly as there are a few more cars coming to the UK now with the recent changes in the exchange rate against the Euro (i.e. Ferrari makes more profit per car). 101 UK Speciales up to the end of third quarter last year so I am guessing maybe another 80 between fourth quarter last year and first half of this year.I don't believe the total production for Scuds was 3,000. That would be including 16Ms and there were a lot more of those than there will be Speciale Apertas since, by all accounts, Ferrari are actually sticking to the notional limit of 499 for it.
Jonathan
Edited by jtremlett on Wednesday 4th March 11:09
PHOENIXUK said:
It will be intersting to see what the final scores on the doors read, either way it would appear that the Speciale appears to have ended up been a low volume car which certainly wasnt what those 'people' in the know were saying a year or more ago or those 'people' even more in the know a few months ago.......
Low volume car for sure but unlike 348 GTC / CS / Scud - still a 'production run' car...griff7 said:
I really do not think in years to come people will look back and say "Oh that was only one of those normal production run cars"
True, but by then 'most' cars will be with their second or third owner and will be viewed in a completly different light.(mine wont be, I hope, so I will still be sat on the same soapbox
)Other than GBRF430 - who cares? He seems to be able to spot "Value" - which is why - or maybe not - he just paid list - or not - for a 650s. Good luck to him.....
Frankly - we have all Speciales for a reason - and this all becomes apparent the more we drive them! I have my first track day booked on the 20th March.....bring it on.....! With more to follow.....
Frankly - we have all Speciales for a reason - and this all becomes apparent the more we drive them! I have my first track day booked on the 20th March.....bring it on.....! With more to follow.....
PHOENIXUK said:
It will be intersting to see what the final scores on the doors read, either way it would appear that the Speciale appears to have ended up been a low volume car which certainly wasnt what those 'people' in the know were saying a year or more ago or those 'people' even more in the know a few months ago.......
It was always going to be produced for a certain timeframe and not a number of cars hence the term regular production run.If those in the know thought it was going to be high volumes and that isn't the case maybe its because the demand is not there ?
The fact that the production run has been extended also suggests they haven't sold as many as anticipated and may have a few spare parts lying around
I've been told you can still order one now if I you wanted one
GRBF430F1 said:
PHOENIXUK said:
It will be intersting to see what the final scores on the doors read, either way it would appear that the Speciale appears to have ended up been a low volume car which certainly wasnt what those 'people' in the know were saying a year or more ago or those 'people' even more in the know a few months ago.......
It was always going to be produced for a certain timeframe and not a number of cars hence the term regular production run.If those in the know thought it was going to be high volumes and that isn't the case maybe its because the demand is not there ?
The fact that the production run has been extended also suggests they haven't sold as many as anticipated and may have a few spare parts lying around
I've been told you can still order one now if I you wanted one
GRBF430F1 said:
It was always going to be produced for a certain timeframe and not a number of cars hence the term regular production run.
If those in the know thought it was going to be high volumes and that isn't the case maybe its because the demand is not there ?
The fact that the production run has been extended also suggests they haven't sold as many as anticipated and may have a few spare parts lying around
I've been told you can still order one now if I you wanted one
As far as I understand it they have directed a few more cars to the UK because there is more profit in them due to the recent Sterling/Euro exchange rate changes. It also makes sense because RHD 488s won't be in the UK for a while yet and dealers need something to sell. 360 CS, 430 Scud and 458 Speciale have all been limited time rather than limited numbers so I'm not sure what the point is. Besides how can selling some more make any sense if there is no demand? You are contradicting yourself! UK dealers did get a small number of extra cars in the last few weeks but I'm not sure if any of those slots are still available. If those in the know thought it was going to be high volumes and that isn't the case maybe its because the demand is not there ?
The fact that the production run has been extended also suggests they haven't sold as many as anticipated and may have a few spare parts lying around
I've been told you can still order one now if I you wanted one
Jonathan
I have speciale arriving in a couple of weeks.Dealer has returned 12 deposits so obviously a very desirable car that supply Is less than demand which should help to maintain values. Only issue I have is dealer offered £140k for my 2012 458 with 2k miles. List 220k!!
Any suggestions of other buyers of 458 that may have a stronger appetite to buy?
Any suggestions of other buyers of 458 that may have a stronger appetite to buy?
Derek007 said:
I have speciale arriving in a couple of weeks.Dealer has returned 12 deposits so obviously a very desirable car that supply Is less than demand which should help to maintain values. Only issue I have is dealer offered £140k for my 2012 458 with 2k miles. List 220k!!
Any suggestions of other buyers of 458 that may have a stronger appetite to buy?
What are thoughts on why 3 RHD Speciale's for sale on PH have been sitting so long? 2 red and 1Any suggestions of other buyers of 458 that may have a stronger appetite to buy?
white - all look good to me. I would have thought they'd be snapped up by people having deposits returned? I fell out with my dealer so didn't get order in but was easy to find my perfect spec at list which I snapped up.
jtremlett said:
here were 164 Scuds delivered new to the UK. Not sure how many now (I don't trust the DoT registration figures that are used for HowManyLeft because I cannot reconcile the different datasets properly). I am expecting slightly more Speciales than that (although fewer Speciale Apertas than 16Ms) when UK deliveries are complete particularly as there are a few more cars coming to the UK now with the recent changes in the exchange rate against the Euro (i.e. Ferrari makes more profit per car). 101 UK Speciales up to the end of third quarter last year so I am guessing maybe another 80 between fourth quarter last year and first half of this year.
I don't believe the total production for Scuds was 3,000. That would be including 16Ms and there were a lot more of those than there will be Speciale Apertas since, by all accounts, Ferrari are actually sticking to the notional limit of 499 for it.
Jonathan
Great post, Jonathan. I don't believe the total production for Scuds was 3,000. That would be including 16Ms and there were a lot more of those than there will be Speciale Apertas since, by all accounts, Ferrari are actually sticking to the notional limit of 499 for it.
Jonathan
Edited by jtremlett on Wednesday 4th March 11:09
jtremlett said:
s far as I understand it they have directed a few more cars to the UK because there is more profit in them due to the recent Sterling/Euro exchange rate changes. It also makes sense because RHD 488s won't be in the UK for a while yet and dealers need something to sell. 360 CS, 430 Scud and 458 Speciale have all been limited time rather than limited numbers so I'm not sure what the point is. Besides how can selling some more make any sense if there is no demand? You are contradicting yourself! UK dealers did get a small number of extra cars in the last few weeks but I'm not sure if any of those slots are still available.
Jonathan
Apparently 1 dealer now returning 12 deposits yet I was offered a build slot last week and there are 3 used cars with delivery mileage and available below list price still unsold ??????Jonathan
If you had a load of spare parts and no new model to sell for 9 months I guess you might want to produce a few more Speciales to use up the excess bits rather than throw them in the spares bin. They will always find a home so that makes perfect sense to me
No contradictions but something doesn't add up if you ask me.
Usual smoke and mirrors from Ferrari over numbers produced to make them seem more exclusive than they really are
Read this on Ferrari chat
Supply and Demand rules again
Buy the Scud for the enjoyable drive not as an investment
It's all relative. The Specialé coupe production #s will be more or less the same as the Scuderia in my honest opinion and observation of history.
Ferrari may say otherwise, but it's just sheer marketing and it won't be the first or last time they fidge the numbers around to their personal agenda. Ferrari claimed only 499 examples of the 16M, we all know that is a farse. Whether folks want to believe that or not, is entirely their call.
World demand + economy has significantly risen since the CS & Scud days, so bottomline is there's no way in hell Ferrari would cut the production #s.
Again, everything is relative and so with the significant increase of demand, it simply would mean more cars produced to meet demand, while still maintaining a similar % of how much of that demand is being met.
I would love to be proven wrong. The fact that Ferrari refuses to produce numbered vehicles only tells me otherwise. The fact that Mattiaci stated 2 completely different figures of Specialé coupe production #s in two separate interviews tells me otherwise. The fact that the only concrete cap being touted is a 3-yr production window also tells me otherwise.
Supply and Demand rules again
Buy the Scud for the enjoyable drive not as an investment
It's all relative. The Specialé coupe production #s will be more or less the same as the Scuderia in my honest opinion and observation of history.
Ferrari may say otherwise, but it's just sheer marketing and it won't be the first or last time they fidge the numbers around to their personal agenda. Ferrari claimed only 499 examples of the 16M, we all know that is a farse. Whether folks want to believe that or not, is entirely their call.
World demand + economy has significantly risen since the CS & Scud days, so bottomline is there's no way in hell Ferrari would cut the production #s.
Again, everything is relative and so with the significant increase of demand, it simply would mean more cars produced to meet demand, while still maintaining a similar % of how much of that demand is being met.
I would love to be proven wrong. The fact that Ferrari refuses to produce numbered vehicles only tells me otherwise. The fact that Mattiaci stated 2 completely different figures of Specialé coupe production #s in two separate interviews tells me otherwise. The fact that the only concrete cap being touted is a 3-yr production window also tells me otherwise.
Derek007 said:
I have speciale arriving in a couple of weeks.Dealer has returned 12 deposits so obviously a very desirable car that supply Is less than demand which should help to maintain values. Only issue I have is dealer offered £140k for my 2012 458 with 2k miles. List 220k!!
Any suggestions of other buyers of 458 that may have a stronger appetite to buy?
you have PMAny suggestions of other buyers of 458 that may have a stronger appetite to buy?
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