Will RHD Speciales prices drop now?

[martisracing]

Scud limited edition?? If all the figures of production volumes quoted on the various Ferrari sites can be believed then there twice as many Scuds as there are Speciales. How does that make the Scud a limited edition and the Speciale not?

[GRBF430F1]

martisracing said:

Scud limited edition?? If all the figures of production volumes quoted on the various Ferrari sites can be believed then there twice as many Scuds as there are Speciales. How does that make the Scud a limited edition and the Speciale not?

Scuderia was limited to a finite number. If you want a regular production Speciale Ferrari will still take your order and build it, there is not a finite number as confirmed by the now extended production run. I'm guessing they will keep building them until all the spare bits are used up rather than throw them in the bin

[neil-f]

GRBF430F1 said:

Scuderia was limited to a finite number.

Absolute rubbish

[MDahmen]

neil-f said:

GRBF430F1 said:

Scuderia was limited to a finite number.

Absolute rubbish

have also never heard that it was limited - thought all the limited to a number cars get a plaque - 1 of xxx

[Slickhillsy]

MDahmen said:

neil-f said:

GRBF430F1 said:

Scuderia was limited to a finite number.

Absolute rubbish

have also never heard that it was limited - thought all the limited to a number cars get a plaque - 1 of xxx

CS never got a plaque, Scuderia is also limited although slightly higher than CS. Speciale is a lower number but still considered a production model

[neil-f]

CS & Scud both production models (all be it for a limited time frame) as is Speciale, Ferrari confirmed this to me at the factory.
16m was limited production as is SpecialeA.

[cc8s]

These misleading statements seem to be a theme and should be called 'GRB-isms'

GRB-ism: an arbitrary phrase used with the intention of misleading to increase the value of a product. E.g. "He said that his Lamborghini was the only one in the world with that colour. What he meant to say was it is the only Lamborghini in that colour that was built on a Tuesday by a man in a hat." "What a GRB-ism."

Challenge Stradale and Scuderia are limited edition in the same way as 360 Modena and F430: they were all built in finite numbers. Both the 16M and the Aperta are limited editions (1 of 499)

A Limited Edition is a limited to a certain, specified number. A Special Edition is a only limited by the number of those that choose to buy them.

[Slickhillsy]

neil-f said:

CS & Scud both production models (all be it for a limited time frame) as is Speciale, Ferrari confirmed this to me at the factory.
16m was limited production as is SpecialeA.

Surely we are talking the same story - 'limited' is the key word. Sure 16M / Aperta are limited by numbers whereas CS / Scud are limited by time aka could only make so many (circa 1200ish for CS & 2000 +/- ish for Scud). = Limited numbers. Especially when you bench mark against the standard production run cars (maybe as high as 10K + global output)

[Slickhillsy]

cc8s said:

These misleading statements seem to be a theme and should be called 'GRB-isms'

GRB-ism: an arbitrary phrase used with the intention of misleading to increase the value of a product. E.g. "He said that his Lamborghini was the only one in the world with that colour. What he meant to say was it is the only Lamborghini in that colour that was built on a Tuesday by a man in a hat." "What a GRB-ism."

Challenge Stradale and Scuderia are limited edition in the same way as 360 Modena and F430: they were all built in finite numbers. Both the 16M and the Aperta are limited editions (1 of 499)

A Limited Edition is a limited to a certain, specified number. A Special Edition is a only limited by the number of those that choose to buy them.

LOL Spot on!

[GRBF430F1]

cc8s said:

These misleading statements seem to be a theme and should be called 'GRB-isms'

GRB-ism: an arbitrary phrase used with the intention of misleading to increase the value of a product. E.g. "He said that his Lamborghini was the only one in the world with that colour. What he meant to say was it is the only Lamborghini in that colour that was built on a Tuesday by a man in a hat." "What a GRB-ism."

Challenge Stradale and Scuderia are limited edition in the same way as 360 Modena and F430: they were all built in finite numbers. Both the 16M and the Aperta are limited editions (1 of 499)

A Limited Edition is a limited to a certain, specified number. A Special Edition is a only limited by the number of those that choose to buy them.

Never said such a thing, I only deal in facts unlike your good self - it is 1 of 5 Rosso Mars Edizione Tecnica's in the UK which may even be 4 now due to 1 of the rental ones being written off !

CS and 430 Scuderia were not regular production cars unlike 458 Speciale. If you want one I still know of available build slots

[neil-f]

GRBF430F1 said:

CS and 430 Scuderia were not regular production cars unlike 458 Speciale.

See my post above you are talking rubbish!

[cc8s]

GRBF430F1 said:

Never said such a thing, I only deal in facts unlike your good self - it is 1 of 5 Rosso Mars Edizione Tecnica's in the UK which may even be 4 now due to 1 of the rental ones being written off !

CS and 430 Scuderia were not regular production cars unlike 458 Speciale. If you want one I still know of available build slots

the said example was just that, a made-up example.

I do prefer dealing in facts that are based in reality such as the fact that, even after the accident with the rental car, there are still 6 Rosso Mars Edizione Tecnica Performantes in the UK, despite what you would prefer. This point has been raised on a number of occasions and you have not (and cannot) refute this - believing something based on nothing is how cults start.

Regarding the Speciale: can you genuinely not comprehend the difference between a special edition car that has ceased production and a special edition car still in production?

[Johnnyforeigner]

neil-f said:

GRBF430F1 said:

CS and 430 Scuderia were not regular production cars unlike 458 Speciale.

See my post above you are talking rubbish!

Seems to be a bit of confusion on this - anyone else like neil-f got confirmation that could be taken as even remotely accurate?

I always thought the CS was limited to a production number as were the 16M and Speciale A, whereas the Scuderia and Speciale were open order but limited by production run time?

[speedyellowrs]

boxerTen said:

Seems to be rather a lot of F40s for sale at the moment - or is that number normal?

Depends on your definition of normal. A lot seem to have been for sale for a while, while others have appeared recently to the market. Certainly, compared to a couple of years ago, there are a lot more for sale today. IMO, looks like the smart money trying to get out before the inevitable interest rate rises to come and asset values returning to normal levels. Not saying we've reached the top.... yet. But the smart money bought right, has ridden a good chunk of the rise in classic/collectible values and is happy to cash out.Then maybe buy back in later when prices return to normal.

This asset bubble is no different to others, regardless of what others say.....

I don't think this chart apples to F40s in particular but to the market in general. Where do you think we are now, chaps........



Somewhere between greed and delusion?

All IMO, of course.....

[Anjum]

GRBF430F1 said:

Scuderia was limited to a finite number. If you want a regular production Speciale Ferrari will still take your order and build it, there is not a finite number as confirmed by the now extended production run. I'm guessing they will keep building them until all the spare bits are used up rather than throw them in the bin

Try and order one now. Go on. Let us know how you get on.

[Anjum]

Johnnyforeigner said:

neil-f said:

GRBF430F1 said:

CS and 430 Scuderia were not regular production cars unlike 458 Speciale.

See my post above you are talking rubbish!

Seems to be a bit of confusion on this - anyone else like neil-f got confirmation that could be taken as even remotely accurate?

I always thought the CS was limited to a production number as were the 16M and Speciale A, whereas the Scuderia and Speciale were open order but limited by production run time?

Yes JF - I can corroborate Neil-f's statement. But GRBF430F1 knows best.....

[GRBF430F1]

cc8s said:

the said example was just that, a made-up example.

I do prefer dealing in facts that are based in reality such as the fact that, even after the accident with the rental car, there are still 6 Rosso Mars Edizione Tecnica Performantes in the UK, despite what you would prefer. This point has been raised on a number of occasions and you have not (and cannot) refute this - believing something based on nothing is how cults start.

Regarding the Speciale: can you genuinely not comprehend the difference between a special edition car that has ceased production and a special edition car still in production?

There you go again in your own make believe world. Forgot you were the worlds expert on Edizione Tecnica's.
Exactly how many do you own ?????
No matter what number you make up yours won't be one of them and fact is they are rarer than any CS, Scud or Speciale

Edited by GRBF430F1 on Wednesday 25th March 21:24

[ruebdo]

GRBF430F1 said:

There you go again in your own make believe world. Forgot you were the worlds expert on Edizione Tecnica's.
Exactly how many do you own ?????
No matter what number you make up yours won't be one of them and fact is they are rarer than any CS, Scud or Speciale

Edited by GRBF430F1 on Wednesday 25th March 21:24

Maybe because people didn't want them :-/

[tony h]

cs and scud were regular production but limited by fact they were end of models specials , if that makes sense

[AmoCS]

Didn't Ferrari make the CS as competition against the 911 GT3 RS?

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/1837282155