Best reasons for moving from 996 Turbo S to F430 F1

Best reasons for moving from 996 Turbo S to F430 F1

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Woolfie

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674 posts

271 months

Monday 11th May 2015
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davek_964 said:
Woolfie said:
Driving my Porsche down the M1 last night I saw a lot of aggressive driving in effect as a challenge to me. I ignored them. When I drove my previous Ferrari albeit a 348 I had a lot of great looks and no aggression.
That's surprising. I generally find my Porsche is treated as a fairly anonymous car. When I had a 348, even idiots in people carriers seemed desperate to prove something, and same with my 360.
I suppose it's varied. People loved my GT2nwhen I had it. I must have had a particularly bad night; the average speed checks are enough to make anyone go mental....

Still in many minds about the 430 F1...

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Monday 11th May 2015
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Durzel said:
Slickhillsy said:
It's not a Porsche so less coffee beans smile
I know this was (probably?) said in jest, but based on my experience this is totally true.

Driving a Porsche - most of the time people wouldn't let me out at junctions, would judge every minor transgression (e.g. being slightly over the limit) very harshly, shout abuse (e.g. ponce) when driving on roads in/around town centres, etc.

Driving a Ferrari - zero negative reactions, everyone loves the sound despite the fact it's at least as loud as "boy racer" cars, encourage typically anti-social behaviour like revving, let you out of everywhere - I had people go out of their way to pull in to make it easier for me to get past, or pull in far in advance of me getting to them (e.g. single file traffic with cars parked on one side), etc.

Obviously you ought not to be treated any differently, and I don't personally care for or seek out the attention - but the negative attention even when I wasn't doing anything wrong in the Porsche (was "only" a Cayman, too) became quite off-putting.
Oh no very serious... I had a GT3 and it was one of the many choice comments towards the car. I've had 4 Ferrari and can't remember the last negative moment...

DavidCBevan

347 posts

184 months

Wednesday 13th May 2015
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Same, had a 981 Boxster S 3.2 and loads of negative reactions, now have a F430 F1 spyder and nothing but positive reactions, thumbs up and well done mate comments all the time.

I think its because the Ferrari is aspirational but out of reach for many people, but the Porsche is more accessible so generates negative comments for those who feel they have 'just' missed out?


Slickhillsy said:
Oh no very serious... I had a GT3 and it was one of the many choice comments towards the car. I've had 4 Ferrari and can't remember the last negative moment...

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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So in summary you need neither, you need a nice little Smart Roadster, everyone other driver loves them, the cheeky little darlings biggrin

GG33

1,217 posts

200 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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I've always been a Porsche man since I started driving many years ago (Had 3 911's and a 928) Last year I got a 430 Spider (F1) Its a totally different experience. Much greater sense of occasion every time I go out in it. I don't think you'll regret it.

theRossatron

1,028 posts

231 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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The sound smile

andyferrari

61 posts

164 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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Love Ferrari's but don't like the build quality. Had a 911 turbo and jumped into 430 as always wanted one. I loved driving it but the ownership experience wasn't great, after 3 years I finally gave up and sold it.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.

Hope this helps.

Woolfie

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674 posts

271 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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Thanks everyone. I have come close to a decision....just need to execute on it now. If I get the one I want I'll post. Might take a little while and last European tour in the turbo s.

kbooker

728 posts

138 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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andyferrari said:
Love Ferrari's but don't like the build quality. Had a 911 turbo and jumped into 430 as always wanted one. I loved driving it but the ownership experience wasn't great, after 3 years I finally gave up and sold it.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.

Hope this helps.
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....

dvb247

270 posts

197 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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As a new F430 owner I'd agree with others about the positive experiences, it's insane every time I drive it, I also have had many Beetles (oops, freudian slip of the tongue) and they are ten a penny unlike Ferrari's.

Your comparing two brands that can't really be compared, Porsche is a mass production car manufacturer, like Ford.

This weekend it's dry, so I've driven my car out the garage on to the drive so I can look at her every time I look out of my study window, would I do that with a Porsche? .......THINK NOT!!!

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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red_duke said:
1. Chicks dig 'em.
Think this probably sums it up best lol...

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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kbooker said:
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....
No not wrong about the cost of repair, that's what Ferrari charge, aftermarket alternatives may be cheaper.
F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-after, I think this is what he was alluding to.

andrew

9,953 posts

191 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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dvb247 said:
This weekend it's dry, so I've driven my car out the garage on to the drive...
you've got to keep the mileage down somehow biggrin

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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Raygun said:
kbooker said:
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....
F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-after
Have agree with Kev on this... The whole manual thing is a very hot topic in Porsche circles and having owned a GT3 can see why. Same principle doesn't apply here... When Ferrari introduces tech and innovation to its range it's much more openly welcomed and enjoyed. Seen as an enhancement to the experience. Where's Porsche die hard are dragged kicking and screaming to PDK and alike.
The only reason manuals would be sort after in the Ferrari world would be for two reasons...

1. Collectors - aka someone looking for one of the circa 80 world wide examples of the manual 599.

2. Someone who just has to have a manual.

F430 was one of the last manual optioned Fezza and with something like 60% from the get go being spec'd in F1 for (and that percentage going up) means these manuals are to high in number to become collectable but high enough to meet a small demand for old school types...

Personally, after a manual GT3 I thought I'd really miss a stick jumping in to a Scud. Now however I know I'd never want a Ferrari with one (but would make room for some manual Pork in the future smile )

andyferrari

61 posts

164 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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kbooker said:
andyferrari said:
Love Ferrari's but don't like the build quality. Had a 911 turbo and jumped into 430 as always wanted one. I loved driving it but the ownership experience wasn't great, after 3 years I finally gave up and sold it.
If you get one make sure that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced, it's a £6000.00 bill to fix them and it is one of the very well known weak points on the car.
If you can find one I'd go for a manual as they will definitely be sort after as time goes on.

Hope this helps.
You're wrong about the cost of repair, it can be much lower and you're wrong about manual....
Having owned and had to pay to get the manifolds replaced I think I can confidently say from an accurate stand point that the cost of genuine replacement manifolds in 2011 was £5000.00 plus fitting.
Regarding a manual gearbox, if you think about it, as someone else has stated, there are relatively very few manual F430's around. Take a look on the used car listings. Again these will be more desirable in the future as they will be seen as one of the last manual Ferraris.


Edited by andyferrari on Sunday 17th May 19:10

Woolfie

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674 posts

271 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Ok sourced and agreed on a 430 f1 ...few things to be tidied up and should be ready in a few weeks or so. Has all the right stuff and colours. Exceedingly excited. Full spec and pics will come later.

Armen

252 posts

147 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Raygun said:
No not wrong about the cost of repair, that's what Ferrari charge, aftermarket alternatives may be cheaper.
F1 gearbox more sought-after at the moment but in the long time I do believe the manual version will be more desirable and more sought-after, I think this is what he was alluding to.
I don't know in the UK, but in the rest of Europe, manual ones are much more desirable... and really really hard to find. Currently 1 Spider for sale in the Netherlands, 1 Spider in France and 1 Coupe in Finland, that's it.

The F430 is the last manual mid-engine Ferrari, prices of manual F430 already firmed up smile Plus, a manual F430 is more reliable than the F1.

Such an astonishing car... in France, there was only 1% manual F430 sold. I know that in the UK it was 13%. The worldwide average should be around 5%, that would let 1000 cars (on the 18 000 total, excluding Scuderia/16M).


Woolfie

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674 posts

271 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Pick up F430 F1 coupe red crema red stitching racing seats carbon zone on Friday well worth the wait. Haven't been this excited since my last 996 GT2.

supermono

7,368 posts

247 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Cool thread, I'm thinking GT2 to 458 as their respective values converge. Will be interested in hearing your view, must be like chalk and cheese since turbo S not really all that much of a drivers car. Quick and agile but not as involving IMO

Fattrader

515 posts

221 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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supermono said:
Cool thread, I'm thinking GT2 to 458 as their respective values converge. Will be interested in hearing your view, must be like chalk and cheese since turbo S not really all that much of a drivers car. Quick and agile but not as involving IMO
I moved from a 996GT3 to a F430 as the prices were getting close to each other. The F430 is an occasion as much as the GT3 but in a very different way. The GT3 was a raw car but the F430 is more refined and has a better delivery of power. The noises are very different as well but both equally stimulating. Having the site of the engine in your rear view mirror as it begins to pick up the revs just adds to the feeling. I also like the F1 box. I am not the best at heal and toe and don't think I would get the same experience from a manual. It would be interesting to hear about your experience going from a Turbo S to a F430.

However, I did miss the Porsche feel and scrambled around my pennies and got a Cayman R to relinquish that itch coming back.