F430 (Manual) - a celebration
Discussion
ZeroH said:
Yes its a shame that the thread has gone from being focused on celebrating one of the most iconic symbols in the automotive world (the open gated shifter) to discussing values.... my intention in creating the thread was to avoid such diversions.... alas I'm as guilty as the next man for responding to comments/links etc put up where pricing/values are the focus of the post.
I completely agree with zeroH on this.... The topic of value is beginning to wear a bit thin. That said, unfortunately the truth of the matter is, that many Ferrari owners (myself included) tend to have a keen interest in making money in life, after all, isn't that partly the reason why many of us find ourselves owning one of these cars.
So although we may not like to admit it, perhaps an interest in making money is just part of who we are and maybe a hard habit to break.
Edited by allister on Thursday 17th March 00:16
Nano2nd said:
looks like the VVS car has sold, so the cheapest manual on the market is now £120k as far as i can see 
I think the VVS car is back on the market, i did a little research on it as i was interested, it was stolen recovered in 2010 with a large insurance claim mainly to the interior, hence i walked away as they hadn't volunteered that information. However there was a really cheap Manual spider in Giro Titano for sale last week £78,500 no service book but had receipts and mot's to back up 22k miles, just missed it by a few hours went for £80k though.allister said:
isn't that partly the reason why many of us find ourselves owning one of these cars.
Only in the past 12 months has this become a phenomenon. Prior to that the emphasis was upon driving and enjoying these cars, in the long term a Ferrari is an expensive habit, it was quite normal to have a service costing 10% of the value of the car on an older model (ie. £5k on a £50k 355). If you service your 430 properly and assuming you drive it then it can easily cost you £20-£30k over a five year period. It may not, but many do. Edited by allister on Wednesday 16th March 19:04
Property is an investment. The present Ferrari bubble may make you moderate gains in the short term but when you factor in the cost of ownership over a ten year period versus appreciable gains over the same investment in property in that period then there is no comparison whatsoever.
I disagree, it was never the reason for people to buy these cars, we bought them because we loved them despite the high cost of ownership and sometimes iffy build quality.
The 'investor'/owner is a new breed that honestly seems to be from the Quentin Willson school of economics, and I'm not 100% convinced of his or their/your logic in the long term. Apologies for my directness.
I think it is very sad that Supercars have become such a commodity that people don't use them properly anymore, they are just status symbols for Instagram and investment vehicles (excuse the pun) now. Especially when the ROI isn't really very high when offset against running costs.
I remember Shmee stating in one of his videos that he needs to be careful not to put too many miles on his LT because of the prices... I know he has a Spider on order but still...you buy such a car to f
king enjoy it not just to make money off it.
How long until the government invent SUPERCAR TAX...not for driving but for when it comes to resale? Probably like CGT.
I remember Shmee stating in one of his videos that he needs to be careful not to put too many miles on his LT because of the prices... I know he has a Spider on order but still...you buy such a car to f
king enjoy it not just to make money off it.How long until the government invent SUPERCAR TAX...not for driving but for when it comes to resale? Probably like CGT.
cgt2 said:
allister said:
isn't that partly the reason why many of us find ourselves owning one of these cars.
Only in the past 12 months has this become a phenomenon. Prior to that the emphasis was upon driving and enjoying these cars, in the long term a Ferrari is an expensive habit, it was quite normal to have a service costing 10% of the value of the car on an older model (ie. £5k on a £50k 355). If you service your 430 properly and assuming you drive it then it can easily cost you £20-£30k over a five year period. It may not, but many do. Edited by allister on Wednesday 16th March 19:04
Property is an investment. The present Ferrari bubble may make you moderate gains in the short term but when you factor in the cost of ownership over a ten year period versus appreciable gains over the same investment in property in that period then there is no comparison whatsoever.
I disagree, it was never the reason for people to buy these cars, we bought them because we loved them despite the high cost of ownership and sometimes iffy build quality.
The 'investor'/owner is a new breed that honestly seems to be from the Quentin Willson school of economics, and I'm not 100% convinced of his or their/your logic in the long term. Apologies for my directness.
The point I was trying to make, was that many of us have enjoyed making money in life, through business and other non-car related investments. This success and buzz from making money can often be the reason why we find ourselves being lucky enough to own a Ferrari today.
So in short, because the thrill of making money is often a characteristic of our personalities, maybe we shouldn't be so surprised when the excitement of making money continues with a car..... That for many is just the type of people we are!
Edited by allister on Thursday 17th March 01:06
My manual F430 alongside my manual LP640. I've had it over 5 years now and still can't wait for nice weekends to get her out. I have driven all the latest Lamborghini and Ferrari offerings and wouldn't swap. I also have a Sagaris and a new 911R coming in September. I think I'm done for a little while but would like an 08 -10 Viper too.
NoPaddleShiftForMe said:
My manual F430 alongside my manual LP640. I've had it over 5 years now and still can't wait for nice weekends to get her out. I have driven all the latest Lamborghini and Ferrari offerings and wouldn't swap. I also have a Sagaris and a new 911R coming in September. I think I'm done for a little while but would like an 08 -10 Viper too.
A man of very fine taste... you have just about the bestest examples of manuals from Lambo, Ferrari, and Porsche....
More pics of the lambo and 430 pls and cool name btw
NoPaddleShiftForMe said:
My manual F430 alongside my manual LP640. I've had it over 5 years now and still can't wait for nice weekends to get her out. I have driven all the latest Lamborghini and Ferrari offerings and wouldn't swap. I also have a Sagaris and a new 911R coming in September. I think I'm done for a little while but would like an 08 -10 Viper too.
NoPaddleShiftForMe said:
My manual F430 alongside my manual LP640. I've had it over 5 years now and still can't wait for nice weekends to get her out. I have driven all the latest Lamborghini and Ferrari offerings and wouldn't swap. I also have a Sagaris and a new 911R coming in September. I think I'm done for a little while but would like an 08 -10 Viper too.
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