Are Speciale That Special

[TIGA84]

Camlet said:

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

Agreed, and here's a pic of her ...thanks for the edit.

Far for me to criticise, but does the Aperta in the same colour scheme kind of make the Speciale redundant? I can't see an eventuality where the Aperta wouldn't do everything the Speciale can, and be a cab when the suns out?

Are they different enough to warrant one of each?

Fair question. My Speciale was delivered July 2014. I was very happy how my specced car looked in the flesh. When I was invited a few months later to spec an SA (an offer you don't pass up) I thought WTF, use the same scheme. I thought of selling the Speciale coupe but it's so good the idea quickly passed.

Is the Aperta different though, having both (colour aside) do they actually feel any different? I suppose my thinking is the Aperta is everything the Speciale is, and you can whip the roof off if necessary for added pose/noise etc,

Are they different? No, not that you'd notice. The Aperta is every bit as sharp. Beautifully agile. Stunning machine. But I am a hardcore coupe person. In the three years I've had my F50 I've not removed the hardtop once. It's a personal thing, I just prefer driving coupes. Don't get wrong, the Aperta in the South of France would be cool. But if you offered me a 599 SA over a 599 GTO, I would choose the GTO without hesitation.

Take this in the spirit that its intended, but why have you got it then! £650k would buy a whole lot of coupes. Hell £650k would buy a whole lot of houses, and you'd still have the Speciale.

Or is it simply because, you can?

[MDL111]

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

Agreed, and here's a pic of her ...thanks for the edit.

Far for me to criticise, but does the Aperta in the same colour scheme kind of make the Speciale redundant? I can't see an eventuality where the Aperta wouldn't do everything the Speciale can, and be a cab when the suns out?

Are they different enough to warrant one of each?

Fair question. My Speciale was delivered July 2014. I was very happy how my specced car looked in the flesh. When I was invited a few months later to spec an SA (an offer you don't pass up) I thought WTF, use the same scheme. I thought of selling the Speciale coupe but it's so good the idea quickly passed.

Is the Aperta different though, having both (colour aside) do they actually feel any different? I suppose my thinking is the Aperta is everything the Speciale is, and you can whip the roof off if necessary for added pose/noise etc,

Are they different? No, not that you'd notice. The Aperta is every bit as sharp. Beautifully agile. Stunning machine. But I am a hardcore coupe person. In the three years I've had my F50 I've not removed the hardtop once. It's a personal thing, I just prefer driving coupes. Don't get wrong, the Aperta in the South of France would be cool. But if you offered me a 599 SA over a 599 GTO, I would choose the GTO without hesitation.

Take this in the spirit that its intended, but why have you got it then! £650k would buy a whole lot of coupes. Hell £650k would buy a whole lot of houses, and you'd still have the Speciale.

Or is it simply because, you can?

At current values, I think I'd trade the Aperta for a CGT if you have not got one of those yet ... could call it the spiritual successor/daughter of the F50

[_Leg_]

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

TIGA84 said:

Camlet said:

Agreed, and here's a pic of her ...thanks for the edit.

Far for me to criticise, but does the Aperta in the same colour scheme kind of make the Speciale redundant? I can't see an eventuality where the Aperta wouldn't do everything the Speciale can, and be a cab when the suns out?

Are they different enough to warrant one of each?

Fair question. My Speciale was delivered July 2014. I was very happy how my specced car looked in the flesh. When I was invited a few months later to spec an SA (an offer you don't pass up) I thought WTF, use the same scheme. I thought of selling the Speciale coupe but it's so good the idea quickly passed.

Is the Aperta different though, having both (colour aside) do they actually feel any different? I suppose my thinking is the Aperta is everything the Speciale is, and you can whip the roof off if necessary for added pose/noise etc,

Are they different? No, not that you'd notice. The Aperta is every bit as sharp. Beautifully agile. Stunning machine. But I am a hardcore coupe person. In the three years I've had my F50 I've not removed the hardtop once. It's a personal thing, I just prefer driving coupes. Don't get wrong, the Aperta in the South of France would be cool. But if you offered me a 599 SA over a 599 GTO, I would choose the GTO without hesitation.

Take this in the spirit that its intended, but why have you got it then! £650k would buy a whole lot of coupes. Hell £650k would buy a whole lot of houses, and you'd still have the Speciale.

Or is it simply because, you can?

Because he wants to I'm guessing. Surely thats the only reason for doing anything?

[Camlet]

@ MDL111

Good shout. The CGT is a stunning car, the attention to detail is remarkable. And to think they're the same price as a 911R. No contest IMO. But I've always been a big Ferrari fan even as a kid when a clapped out Mini 1000 was the extent of my garage. Ferrari has some awesome new machines over the horizon so Maranello's gravitational pull remains strong.


@ TIGA84

I guess so.

Edited by Camlet on Thursday 22 December 17:03

[Scooby P1]

And you choose your Fezzas extremely well Camlet.

I do agree on the CGT, missed out on one from DK 2 years ago at £435k which would now easily be near £600k. Totally agree that the 911R is stupidly priced and as we are currently seeing a bit of price correction with Speciale coupes I think that R will follow soon.

CGT would go so well in your collection, but I wouldn't sell either TDF blu cars to get it!

Personally think you're lacking a CS, but unlike many you've got plenty of amazing sounding machines but I do wonder if any are as noisy

[-Michael-]

So then... a question for the Speciale owners, just how many UK RHD Speciale's were you told to expect to be here?

[Camlet]

-Michael- said:

So then... a question for the Speciale owners, just how many UK RHD Speciale's were you told to expect to be here?

No commitment was made by FNE regarding numbers, the Speciale was not a LE car. The only commitment was that production would be limited by time. This was true.

[-Michael-]

Camlet said:

No commitment was made by FNE regarding numbers, the Speciale was not a LE car. The only commitment was that production would be limited by time. This was true.

Thanks for the answer, I've been told by a few owners that it was going to be a limited edition car with under a thousand made a certainly a lot less RHD in the U.K. than what's actually here!

[johnnyreggae]

-Michael- said:

I've been told by a few owners that it was going to be a limited edition car with under a thousand made a certainly a lot less RHD in the U.K. than what's actually here!

See page 1 about post 10: approx 300 UK cars originally - out of a total thought to be anywhere from 2000-3000 but unconfirmed

[100 IAN]

Info from Mike Wheeler at Rardley's :-

119 UK 360 Stradale's
164 UK 430 Scuderia's
333 UK 458 Speciale (referred to in the trade as 458 Not Speciale!)

So 38% increase in number of UK Scud's compared to 360 Stradale's

...and over twice as many 458 Speciale's than Scuds and getting on for 3x the number of 458 Speciale's than 360 Stradale's

I wonder how many run-out 488's they'll make...?

[-Michael-]

100 IAN said:

Info from Mike Wheeler at Rardley's :-

119 UK 360 Stradale's
164 UK 430 Scuderia's
333 UK 458 Speciale (referred to in the trade as 458 Not Speciale!)

So 38% increase in number of UK Scud's compared to 360 Stradale's

...and over twice as many 458 Speciale's than Scuds and getting on for 3x the number of 458 Speciale's than 360 Stradale's

I wonder how many run-out 488's they'll make...?

Thanks for the information, regarding RHD for the UK, I'm not that far away from the 333 figure!

[RamboLambo]

Surprised its only 333 UK RHD as it wasn't a LIMITED edition car just regular production in run out. That's a lot of cars ( and official figure maybe higher and not declared knowing Ferrari ) but explains why there are still so many for sale.

Its a fantastic car no doubting that but not worth the hefty premiums some are trying to attain in the overhyped last N/a V8 market currently. Once that dies down and a 488 Speciale appears prices have got to tumble as owners move onto the newer car hoping to make yet another profit.

Its all about being in the right buying cycle. If you get in early enough you can constantly run it for 12 months and then offload and make a profit for the next one

[100 IAN]

458 Speciale is just a run-out special to prop up sales ahead of the 488 being launched.

Circa 3,500 in total compared to just over 2,700 of RamboLambo's beloved McLaren 650 (both coupe and Spider combined).....

[av185]

Speciale as rare as the 991 GT3 then...:

[100 IAN]

Had a quick look at Carfolio comparing 458 Speciale http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/... with 650S http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/...

Kerbweight - Speciale 1,395 Kg, 650S 1,330 Kg
Max Power - Speciale 605 PS @ 9,000 rpm, 650S 650 PS @ 7,250 rpm
0-100 kph - Speciale 3s, 650 3s
Standing 1/4 mile - Speciale 10.7s, 650S 10.5s
Max Speed - Speciale 202mph, 650S 207mph
Power-to-weight - Speciale 427.96bhp/ton, 650S 481.95bhp/ton

That's a pretty resounding win for the 650S on the stats front, but its all about 'the feel' and as I haven't driven a Speciale i can't comment.

... and it NEEDS to feel 'Speciale' to justify the additional £130k+ asking price....!

[Camlet]

333 UK cars sold is optimistic, whatever Rardley says. That makes it c 27 cars sold per official Ferrari dealer in a window of less than two years (2014-mid 2015). Not impossible but going some at 250K GBP fully loaded per Speciale.

Regarding how Speciale is the Speciale, it is. Plenty special. And Mr RamboLambo might think the NA V8 is over-hyped, but as someone who owns several silly cars, the Speciale's engine is pure class, it's a masterpiece. Fact, not hype.

Regarding where its price should be, I don't disagree dealers were pushing it hard and prices have rightly softened. But you'll be waiting a long time to find a good UK first registered RHD (as opposed to an AsiaPac RHD) for sale at anywhere near its original list. I'm not selling mine so I don't give a monkey.

Talking of Monkey, here's two videos where Mr Harris drives the 650S, GT3 and Speciale. You can decide for yourself if the "Speciale is that Special" but Harris thinks so. Merry Christmas.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/videos/a75...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysaE9i2RNyE

[isaldiri]

100 IAN said:

458 Speciale is just a run-out special to prop up sales ahead of the 488 being launched.

Circa 3,500 in total compared to just over 2,700 of RamboLambo's beloved McLaren 650 (both coupe and Spider combined).....

So...? Runout specials have the tendency to be the very best cars of the range - scuderia, 4.0rs, 675lt for example. The speciale is no different. There are over 3k of them made but there are far far more people who want them than 650s and rightly so. The 650 is just another mid engined turbocharged Mclaren and it'll be supplanted in every way by the P14, assuming one doesn't already consider that the 570 has done so by offering very similar performance for less cost.

[-Michael-]

Camlet said:

333 UK cars sold is optimistic, whatever Rardley says. That makes it c 27 cars sold per official Ferrari dealer in a window of less than two years (2014-mid 2015). Not impossible but going some at 250K GBP fully loaded per Speciale.

I'm less than 10 RHD from that figure, I know some will be from Asia, but not too many of them!

I know at least one of them are from Hong Kong, not too sure about any others as of yet.

[Chiefly]

The Ferrari 458 Speciale, 133bhp per litre from a warrantied, normally aspirated production engine with stunning looks and sounds to match. Not special? You're on the wrong Internet.

Anyway, I'd like to thank Rambo and similar folks for a very entertaining 2016, please continue posting in 2017...

[boxerTen]

The Speciale is fantastic to drive on the limit. Ferrari have clearly spent a lot of effort perfecting its handling, and you won't find a better engine in any car (though perhaps a motorbike). As for how many are made - I can only drive one, but prefer more were made than less as I'll likely wear my one out - which means I'll need a second .