Are Speciale That Special
Discussion
Juno said:
Yipper said:
Really struggle with the 458 Speciale pricing. It is slower than a Gallardo Superleggera round a track and slower than a 650 S in a straight line. It's not really that special. Other than a cool stripe.
That would be an concern, expected better than that !650 S = 2.8secs to 60.
458S round Hockenheim GP track = 1.51.44 mins.
LP570 round Hockenheim GP track = 1.51.00 mins.
I was on the McLaren stand at the Geneva show this week discussing the new 720S with a couple of the McLaren chaps.
We got into a long discussion about the future of supercars and where it's all going to go. We all agreed the manufacturers simply can't go on adding more power. We all agreed that more power, faster times to 62 and faster lap times didn't make for a better Supercar. This led to a typical "car blokes" conversation about whether the 720S or F1 was the faster car. Obviously no one has done a head to head as yet but the McLaren lads starting accessing their data and on paper, the 720S is faster. I know which one I would rather have though. The F1. I know which is more "Special". The F1.
I could cite many past cars I would much rather have than a newer, faster model, because they are simply more special. I wouldn't swap my Mk1 Escort RS 1600 BDA for a brand new Focus RS even though it isn't as fast by some margin any more than I would swap a 250GTO or a 288GTO for a 488, an F1 for a 720S or a 2051.9GTi for a 208 GTi.
A Speciale is special because it's the absolute pinnacle of Ferrari mid engined, naturally aspirated, V8 cars. It'll never be superseded. It represents the absolutely best work, in terms of mid engined n/a V8, that Ferrari were able to manage in the period of history when those kind of cars could be manufactured.
I have one. I don't believe that because I have one, I have one because I believe that.
On another note, anyone who reads my posts will know I'm not a huge fan of McLaren. I can't stand the grinning oriental man front end. However, the 720S is a cracking looking bit of kit and I was very impressed by McLaren at Geneva. The people on McLaren's stand (Chris and Bill primarily) were absolutely superb. Very knowledgeable, helpful and up for long conversations that often veered way off the topic of McLaren. I wonder what Ferrari will do as time goes by now they don't have the differentiation of being n/a.
The Ferrari guys were excellent too but I'm a customer and had an invite so I expected that. The McLaren guys didn't know me from Adam.
We got into a long discussion about the future of supercars and where it's all going to go. We all agreed the manufacturers simply can't go on adding more power. We all agreed that more power, faster times to 62 and faster lap times didn't make for a better Supercar. This led to a typical "car blokes" conversation about whether the 720S or F1 was the faster car. Obviously no one has done a head to head as yet but the McLaren lads starting accessing their data and on paper, the 720S is faster. I know which one I would rather have though. The F1. I know which is more "Special". The F1.
I could cite many past cars I would much rather have than a newer, faster model, because they are simply more special. I wouldn't swap my Mk1 Escort RS 1600 BDA for a brand new Focus RS even though it isn't as fast by some margin any more than I would swap a 250GTO or a 288GTO for a 488, an F1 for a 720S or a 2051.9GTi for a 208 GTi.
A Speciale is special because it's the absolute pinnacle of Ferrari mid engined, naturally aspirated, V8 cars. It'll never be superseded. It represents the absolutely best work, in terms of mid engined n/a V8, that Ferrari were able to manage in the period of history when those kind of cars could be manufactured.
I have one. I don't believe that because I have one, I have one because I believe that.
On another note, anyone who reads my posts will know I'm not a huge fan of McLaren. I can't stand the grinning oriental man front end. However, the 720S is a cracking looking bit of kit and I was very impressed by McLaren at Geneva. The people on McLaren's stand (Chris and Bill primarily) were absolutely superb. Very knowledgeable, helpful and up for long conversations that often veered way off the topic of McLaren. I wonder what Ferrari will do as time goes by now they don't have the differentiation of being n/a.
The Ferrari guys were excellent too but I'm a customer and had an invite so I expected that. The McLaren guys didn't know me from Adam.
_Leg_ said:
I was on the McLaren stand at the Geneva show this week discussing the new 720S with a couple of the McLaren chaps.
We got into a long discussion about the future of supercars and where it's all going to go. We all agreed the manufacturers simply can't go on adding more power. We all agreed that more power, faster times to 62 and faster lap times didn't make for a better Supercar. This led to a typical "car blokes" conversation about whether the 720S or F1 was the faster car. Obviously no one has done a head to head as yet but the McLaren lads starting accessing their data and on paper, the 720S is faster. I know which one I would rather have though. The F1. I know which is more "Special". The F1.
I could cite many past cars I would much rather have than a newer, faster model, because they are simply more special. I wouldn't swap my Mk1 Escort RS 1600 BDA for a brand new Focus RS even though it isn't as fast by some margin any more than I would swap a 250GTO or a 288GTO for a 488, an F1 for a 720S or a 2051.9GTi for a 208 GTi.
A Speciale is special because it's the absolute pinnacle of Ferrari mid engined, naturally aspirated, V8 cars. It'll never be superseded. It represents the absolutely best work, in terms of mid engined n/a V8, that Ferrari were able to manage in the period of history when those kind of cars could be manufactured.
I have one. I don't believe that because I have one, I have one because I believe that.
On another note, anyone who reads my posts will know I'm not a huge fan of McLaren. I can't stand the grinning oriental man front end. However, the 720S is a cracking looking bit of kit and I was very impressed by McLaren at Geneva. The people on McLaren's stand (Chris and Bill primarily) were absolutely superb. Very knowledgeable, helpful and up for long conversations that often veered way off the topic of McLaren. I wonder what Ferrari will do as time goes by now they don't have the differentiation of being n/a.
The Ferrari guys were excellent too but I'm a customer and had an invite so I expected that. The McLaren guys didn't know me from Adam.
Very well put and i think you either get it or you don't.Top trumps figures for the bar in the pub are ok but don't tell the true story.We got into a long discussion about the future of supercars and where it's all going to go. We all agreed the manufacturers simply can't go on adding more power. We all agreed that more power, faster times to 62 and faster lap times didn't make for a better Supercar. This led to a typical "car blokes" conversation about whether the 720S or F1 was the faster car. Obviously no one has done a head to head as yet but the McLaren lads starting accessing their data and on paper, the 720S is faster. I know which one I would rather have though. The F1. I know which is more "Special". The F1.
I could cite many past cars I would much rather have than a newer, faster model, because they are simply more special. I wouldn't swap my Mk1 Escort RS 1600 BDA for a brand new Focus RS even though it isn't as fast by some margin any more than I would swap a 250GTO or a 288GTO for a 488, an F1 for a 720S or a 2051.9GTi for a 208 GTi.
A Speciale is special because it's the absolute pinnacle of Ferrari mid engined, naturally aspirated, V8 cars. It'll never be superseded. It represents the absolutely best work, in terms of mid engined n/a V8, that Ferrari were able to manage in the period of history when those kind of cars could be manufactured.
I have one. I don't believe that because I have one, I have one because I believe that.
On another note, anyone who reads my posts will know I'm not a huge fan of McLaren. I can't stand the grinning oriental man front end. However, the 720S is a cracking looking bit of kit and I was very impressed by McLaren at Geneva. The people on McLaren's stand (Chris and Bill primarily) were absolutely superb. Very knowledgeable, helpful and up for long conversations that often veered way off the topic of McLaren. I wonder what Ferrari will do as time goes by now they don't have the differentiation of being n/a.
The Ferrari guys were excellent too but I'm a customer and had an invite so I expected that. The McLaren guys didn't know me from Adam.
Andy
Edited by griff7 on Saturday 18th March 17:43
_Leg_ said:
I was on the McLaren stand at the Geneva show this week discussing the new 720S with a couple of the McLaren chaps.
We got into a long discussion about the future of supercars and where it's all going to go. We all agreed the manufacturers simply can't go on adding more power. We all agreed that more power, faster times to 62 and faster lap times didn't make for a better Supercar. This led to a typical "car blokes" conversation about whether the 720S or F1 was the faster car. Obviously no one has done a head to head as yet but the McLaren lads starting accessing their data and on paper, the 720S is faster. I know which one I would rather have though. The F1. I know which is more "Special". The F1.
I could cite many past cars I would much rather have than a newer, faster model, because they are simply more special. I wouldn't swap my Mk1 Escort RS 1600 BDA for a brand new Focus RS even though it isn't as fast by some margin any more than I would swap a 250GTO or a 288GTO for a 488, an F1 for a 720S or a 2051.9GTi for a 208 GTi.
A Speciale is special because it's the absolute pinnacle of Ferrari mid engined, naturally aspirated, V8 cars. It'll never be superseded. It represents the absolutely best work, in terms of mid engined n/a V8, that Ferrari were able to manage in the period of history when those kind of cars could be manufactured.
I have one. I don't believe that because I have one, I have one because I believe that.
On another note, anyone who reads my posts will know I'm not a huge fan of McLaren. I can't stand the grinning oriental man front end. However, the 720S is a cracking looking bit of kit and I was very impressed by McLaren at Geneva. The people on McLaren's stand (Chris and Bill primarily) were absolutely superb. Very knowledgeable, helpful and up for long conversations that often veered way off the topic of McLaren. I wonder what Ferrari will do as time goes by now they don't have the differentiation of being n/a.
The Ferrari guys were excellent too but I'm a customer and had an invite so I expected that. The McLaren guys didn't know me from Adam.
Excellent post, as usual.We got into a long discussion about the future of supercars and where it's all going to go. We all agreed the manufacturers simply can't go on adding more power. We all agreed that more power, faster times to 62 and faster lap times didn't make for a better Supercar. This led to a typical "car blokes" conversation about whether the 720S or F1 was the faster car. Obviously no one has done a head to head as yet but the McLaren lads starting accessing their data and on paper, the 720S is faster. I know which one I would rather have though. The F1. I know which is more "Special". The F1.
I could cite many past cars I would much rather have than a newer, faster model, because they are simply more special. I wouldn't swap my Mk1 Escort RS 1600 BDA for a brand new Focus RS even though it isn't as fast by some margin any more than I would swap a 250GTO or a 288GTO for a 488, an F1 for a 720S or a 2051.9GTi for a 208 GTi.
A Speciale is special because it's the absolute pinnacle of Ferrari mid engined, naturally aspirated, V8 cars. It'll never be superseded. It represents the absolutely best work, in terms of mid engined n/a V8, that Ferrari were able to manage in the period of history when those kind of cars could be manufactured.
I have one. I don't believe that because I have one, I have one because I believe that.
On another note, anyone who reads my posts will know I'm not a huge fan of McLaren. I can't stand the grinning oriental man front end. However, the 720S is a cracking looking bit of kit and I was very impressed by McLaren at Geneva. The people on McLaren's stand (Chris and Bill primarily) were absolutely superb. Very knowledgeable, helpful and up for long conversations that often veered way off the topic of McLaren. I wonder what Ferrari will do as time goes by now they don't have the differentiation of being n/a.
The Ferrari guys were excellent too but I'm a customer and had an invite so I expected that. The McLaren guys didn't know me from Adam.
Yipper said:
Juno said:
Yipper said:
Really struggle with the 458 Speciale pricing. It is slower than a Gallardo Superleggera round a track and slower than a 650 S in a straight line. It's not really that special. Other than a cool stripe.
That would be an concern, expected better than that !650 S = 2.8secs to 60.
458S round Hockenheim GP track = 1.51.44 mins.
LP570 round Hockenheim GP track = 1.51.00 mins.
https://youtu.be/0aODISxOHiI
Slickhillsy said:
Very politely put
That video was one of the best
griff7 said:
Slickhillsy said:
Very politely put
That video was one of the best
Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th March 21:35
Slickhillsy said:
Yipper said:
Juno said:
Yipper said:
Really struggle with the 458 Speciale pricing. It is slower than a Gallardo Superleggera round a track and slower than a 650 S in a straight line. It's not really that special. Other than a cool stripe.
That would be an concern, expected better than that !650 S = 2.8secs to 60.
458S round Hockenheim GP track = 1.51.44 mins.
LP570 round Hockenheim GP track = 1.51.00 mins.
https://youtu.be/0aODISxOHiI
One does wonder how much journalist reviews of Ferrari are flavoured by the Formula 1 halo and the Maranello habit of excluding low-paid journalists from prestigious future launches if they badmouth a car.
Ferrari roadcars are consistently slower round a track than their rivals, but journalists continue to talk them up like the Holy Grail. The 458S was not all that quick on track (by objective numbers), and ditto for the LF, but they still got top reviews everywhere.
Don't get me wrong. Love Ferrari. But one can't overlook how the subjective reviews rarely match the objective numbers. It's all a bit odd.
Slickhillsy said:
2 lightweight stripped out race car specials versus a standard road car with all its creature comforts is not a true comparison really. Take the race cars out on the road and compare them again if that's how you want a fairer overall comparisonRegardless stick a McLarens lightweight special 675LT in there and the outcome would be different IMHO
Can I just ask a serious question.
Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
_Leg_ said:
Can I just ask a serious question.
Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a c(ar's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
Completely agree. See my profile - spent many years tracking and racing bikes and that's a world where the rider makes all the difference.Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a c(ar's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
Think we are off topic.
Is the Speciale that Special. Absolutely yes. Is it the fastest... No.
Who cares.
_Leg_ said:
Can I just ask a serious question.
Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
I have also raced and loved it.Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
I have taken the Speciale to the Ring and To Spa and at Spa i can honestly say i drove it flat out and it was amazing considering it was only on cup 2 tyres.Was a little more reserved at the Ring for obvious reasons but still pushed on enough to make the passengers smile.I have the fully stripped and caged M3 that i keep out there for rally pushing on.I have been in and driven all sorts around there including 650s Audi R8 V10 GT3 etc etc
In fact i even took Slickshilly around on an RMA day and he returned the favour in his scud and i'm sure he will vouch for us not hanging around.
Like you say some people post with no real experience only quoting figures and carbon tubs but each to their own.They are all great cars in their own right but some of the comments seem very troll like bordering on childish.
Andy
Slickhillsy said:
Completely agree. See my profile - spent many years tracking and racing bikes and that's a world where the rider makes all the difference.
Think we are off topic.
Is the Speciale that Special. Absolutely yes. Is it the fastest... No.
Who cares.
Exactly and like the Scud they make your hairs stand on end when you are on it.Think we are off topic.
Is the Speciale that Special. Absolutely yes. Is it the fastest... No.
Who cares.
Whilst I have done lots of track days that's not what I buy my supercars for so as you correctly point out its not about lap times for me. For me this is where the 650s scores as its such an accomplished all round car.
I loved my 430 scuderia but the missus hated it probably for all the reasons I enjoyed it.
To keep the peace I now have to run 2 supercars - 1 for her and 1 for me
I loved my 430 scuderia but the missus hated it probably for all the reasons I enjoyed it.
To keep the peace I now have to run 2 supercars - 1 for her and 1 for me
_Leg_ said:
Can I just ask a serious question.
Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
Unless one of us here is a pro driver (or ex pro driver) there is no way that any of us can say we are driving any of the recent cars in the sector at 100% of their capability. Most drivers of these sorts of cars are a long way from 2:30s at Silverstone or 2:50 at Spa for example and the cars should be probably 10seconds faster if driven by someone who really knows what they are doing.Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
I'd agree with your general point though, faster track times do not mean a better car. There's some pretty funny comments by some trying to knock the speciale here, it is a bloody good car.
_Leg_ said:
How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I've tracked my Speciale a few times. Have I driven it at 100% of its capability? Probably pretty close. Hard enough to have it at and beyond the limit of adhesion for most of Silverstone, including the exit of Woodcote which in the Speciale means sometimes the tail pops out at circa 130 mph (given its handling this isn't nearly as intimidating as it might sound). I track it for two reasons, firstly for fun (no really ), secondly to learn to drive it well, which means having a professional racing driver instructing - an indispensable piece of kit. I have an instrument fit for a virtuoso and I want to know how to play it.There are of course other supercar owners like me but I suspect we're a minority - and when I can find a bit more cash, and time, I will probably do a bit of racing, before I get too old to clamber into a car!
_Leg_ said:
Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
Presume if you are testing you are running on slicks? if that is case its no surprise you catch everybody.boxerTen said:
I've tracked my Speciale a few times. Have I driven it at 100% of its capability? Probably pretty close. Hard enough to have it at and beyond the limit of adhesion for most of Silverstone, including the exit of Woodcote which in the Speciale means sometimes the tail pops out at circa 130 mph
If your exit speed of woodcote is a true gps 130mph then maybe you really are close to 100% of the capability of the car. What speeds are you reaching just before you have to brake for copse then at the end of the national pit straight? I'm assuming you're doing 2:20 or thereabouts for the GP track?_Leg_ said:
Can I just ask a serious question.
Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
I'm with you on this one Leg,I've never tracked or would track any of my road cars,I have spent 1000's of hours on track but always in race specific machinery. I think the relevance of a track report/time just highlights in simple terms how a cars BHP per tonne equates to how much of that BHP per tonne the car can effectively use and lay down.It will give you an idea of how the car works as an overall package. Then of course it will also depend on which track the test was carried out,differing track layouts will favor certain vehicles.Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?
I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.
I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.
Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?
Then you move on to what you will use the vehicle for,short blasts or euro tours? A 570GT or Aventador might be better suited to a Euro Tour whereas a Performante of Speciale would be more exhilarating event if you want a blast down the country lanes.
Whichever the case if you regularly track your supercar it will be very wearing on the machinery, very costly on maintenance and eventually obvious that the car is a track slag.You will also be constantly left behind by track specific cars.
The only vehicle I am thinking of that will fit the bill for both my track work and short road usage in the Radical RXC
Euro Cruiser
Short Exhilerating Drive
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Track Slag
Probably the only car that could do all three activities
Radical now with Air con, Bluetooth and Sat Nav
Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th March 09:01
Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th March 09:23
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