Are Speciale That Special

[Juno]

Don't get me wrong the cars are very special, the subject is are they that special that they can command figures of 380k,id have one in a heartbeat but not at current values!!!

_Leg_ said:

Mine has the centre in body colour too. Not sure it's quite the same though.

If any Ferrari, never mind a Speciale, isn't special then I think I've got stuck on the wrong planet.

Edited by _Leg_ on Sunday 18th December 23:31

[Juno]

Well Spring is almost upon us so what does it hold for what is surely one of the most epic of modern times Ferrari's. There are certainly some great examples now at sub 300k which have been around since the middle of last year,this one with just 2000 miles looks as new.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Still too much for me to pull the trigger with the fear that if you wanted to sell it could take a year or more.

Would love one!!!

Any thoughts?

Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th March 11:38

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Yipper said:

Really struggle with the 458 Speciale pricing. It is slower than a Gallardo Superleggera round a track and slower than a 650 S in a straight line. It's not really that special. Other than a cool stripe.

That would be an concern, expected better than that !

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griff7 said:

Slickhillsy said:

Very short sighted to just look at the numbers...

https://youtu.be/0aODISxOHiI

Very politely put

That video was one of the best

Probably why I owned the Performante and why I prefer the Speciale ! The 458 looks like it was designed by a Human the 650 by a machine?

Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th March 21:35

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_Leg_ said:

Can I just ask a serious question.

Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?

I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.

I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a car's capabilities to the full anyway.

Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?

I'm with you on this one Leg,I've never tracked or would track any of my road cars,I have spent 1000's of hours on track but always in race specific machinery. I think the relevance of a track report/time just highlights in simple terms how a cars BHP per tonne equates to how much of that BHP per tonne the car can effectively use and lay down.It will give you an idea of how the car works as an overall package. Then of course it will also depend on which track the test was carried out,differing track layouts will favor certain vehicles.

Then you move on to what you will use the vehicle for,short blasts or euro tours? A 570GT or Aventador might be better suited to a Euro Tour whereas a Performante of Speciale would be more exhilarating event if you want a blast down the country lanes.

Whichever the case if you regularly track your supercar it will be very wearing on the machinery, very costly on maintenance and eventually obvious that the car is a track slag.You will also be constantly left behind by track specific cars.

The only vehicle I am thinking of that will fit the bill for both my track work and short road usage in the Radical RXC


Euro Cruiser




Short Exhilerating Drive




Track Slag



Probably the only car that could do all three activities


Radical now with Air con, Bluetooth and Sat Nav

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th March 09:01

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th March 09:23

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Slickhillsy said:

_Leg_ said:

Can I just ask a serious question.

Rambo and Yipper in particular but all of you really. How many of you track your supercars regularly? Proper track days I mean, not a meet where everyone cruises round. Of those that do, how many of you can honestly say you drive them at 100% of their capability?

I ask because I don't track my supercars. I race and I do track days in cars I own specifically for that purpose and neither has the bhp of a supercar. Last year I did proper test days for racing but when I couldnt get on them I did test days at track days (I know, I shouldn't) and spent every single one of them pushing supercars round in my 135bhp Ginetta.

I spend a lot of time on circuits and from what I see out there driver training makes you faster (and safer), bhp and tech doesn't. Not unless you're already a very capable race driver, largely because without training, most people can't make use of a c(ar's capabilities to the full anyway.

Genuine question asked because some people seem to think better = track times and stats and I wonder who is actually making use of it all, i.e. making it relevant?

Completely agree. See my profile - spent many years tracking and racing bikes and that's a world where the rider makes all the difference.

Think we are off topic.

Is the Speciale that Special. Absolutely yes. Is it the fastest... No.

Who cares.

Anyway the topic is about how the 458 Speciale will fair this year,an intoxicating exotic but for my wallet it's a concerning financial stretch at the moment with regards to the risk side.

Are they going up up up or down in value gents.

That's the point of this thread,its not a car knocking thread or comparison against other cars,its about a truly great car and that car alone and whats going to happen to its value in the future.

Will I be able to push the button or not!!!

Whilst out on my Sunday morning drive I very much doubt that I will see any of the others to compare!!!

And with that said !!!

Edited by Juno on Sunday 19th March 09:16

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_Leg_ said:

My point was only to counter all the 'faster is better so why is a Speciale special if an x is faster' comments.

Stats and specs aren't what makes a car special is my only point.

This just popped up on my Facebook feed. Glorious.

https://www.facebook.com/HistoricGrandPrix/videos/...

The sound and rawness,epic!

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griff7 said:

MingtheMerciless said:

Is white less desirable?

This 100%

It's one of those colours that is mamite but as it's priced to sell and the spec is not too bad i can't see it hanging around long now the weather is picking up.It's only been advertised since January so not too long at all for a car of this value.

Its been advertised for about a year I think

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isaldiri said:

Shazbat said:

You boys are maybe at the wrong trackdays ?

I see plenty of Speciale, RS, 675 LT, Nismo etc. at the ring/spa etc. at full tilt.

Well I don't know any trackdays that are primarily driven by ex racing drivers so yes perhaps I'm at the wrong trackdays. Being driven at 'full tilt' for an amateur is literally miles away from what the cars are truly capable of in a professional drivers hands imo. If you're seeing cars constantly going under 2:40 (and probably a decent amount under) at Spa or 7:15 BTG at the 'ring I'd agree with you that the cars are being driven vaguely close to 100% of their capability. Not otherwise. (do tell where you see those kinds of times as I'd quite like to go and be a spectator at those trackdays )

Goldtrack Silvesrtone every month,full of Britcar,GT3 Blanchpain and Racing drivers and me

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isaldiri said:

griff7 said:

'Ive been on tourist days at the Ring and track days with plenty of cars driven by amateurs doing sub 7.15's.

seriously? SportAuto took a 458 around the 'ring in 7:38 (full lap) a few years ago and that was with a driver who was hugely experienced at the place. 7:15 BTG means ~7:40 full lap in a car like that.

Toyota Surpa does those times!!!

[Juno]

This is a must watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGqOG0V7-Yk

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EvoBlade said:

Slickhillsy said:

I have a question for Speciale owners / drivers. Would be keen to hear someones opinion of the Spec. vs the 991 GT3 RS? Seeing as they are arch rivals does anyone have a fair seat time comparison?

I have both and they are totally different cars. The RS is surgical in its driving where the Speciale is flamboyant and a handful at times. Easier to extract the time from the RS

EvoBlade can pedal so what he says will be good information

[Juno]

Looks like there are some nice examples around now at sub £300k

[Juno]

Thanks for info

AmoCS said:

You can keep track here -

http://www.clubstradale.com/ferrari-458-speciale-s...

[Juno]

Well a few years on and I’ve decided that the Speciale is Special. With all the new models arriving onto the market IMO the 458 Speciale is now looking timeless! I can’t somehow see the current crop of cars ageing in the same way and NA engine to boot!!!

[Juno]

I shall watch with interest !

f1ten said:

Agreed but they are not looking like they are selling at 320k for a rhd. The market looks like it anticipates a correction?!

[Juno]

Anyway plastic cars aside I’m talking about what I believe is a car that will be linked more to the past than the future, linked to heritage and the era of making cars out of metal with NA engines. Nothing wrong with new technology but I am finding it all a bit plasticky now if you know what I mean! It’s not all about the headline numbers I guess!

[Juno]

Crikey did I really start this thread in 2016

I've been looking at them daily non stop ever since.

Luckily I got a GT3RS WP allocation so the readiness to buy the Spec dried up

I always thought it would be my ultimate car especially being NA.The funny thing now is looking at the numbers I think I would be more inclined to go Pista instead of the Spec

Turbos seem to be becoming accepted and not as detrimental as they once were