Are Speciale That Special
Discussion
griff7 said:
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/
There are a lot of cars doing sub 7.15 BTG at the ring with passengers in on tourist days if you are a regular over there.
Well that laptimes site is wrong. I've put up the actual scan from Sport Auto's website with the 7:38 laptime and their own videoThere are a lot of cars doing sub 7.15 BTG at the ring with passengers in on tourist days if you are a regular over there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfkmpZ0Tdo
states 7:38 if you go to 4:09.
And my perception of time is very very different from yours if you see lots of cars doing sub 7:15 BTG on TF days.
griff7 said:
Juno said:
That Supra sounds nuts.
Without wanting to derail the thread, this is another classic of the genre. Check the passenger out for a Sunday drive on an 8min Nurb lap.
http://youtu.be/qAkSAA_d4K4
and moving away from the numbers, I have to say the speciale in my eye's is Ferrari's best effort...the italia is a bit 'soft' looking, the 488 a bit 'gwaky' looking ..to me the speicale takes the elegance of the italia, adds just enough aggression with the fins/vents/front /rear etc to make it , well very special. Just cannot get on with the 488 styling anymore I am afraid, a speciale looks loads better....I think it also looks loads better than the Maclaren, or anything else out there...the only challengers in my mind are the ones coming up, the 720 Mac & the Ford GT, nothing previously built comes close
Good week of good driving in the speciale, great car indeed. One thing that disappoints me , and its not just the speciale here, its V8 Ferrari's in general is how the pops & cracks have been removed on throttle lift..why?
I had a 2010 italia, lifted off & crackle & pop , fantastic sound on the lift off, I understand later ECU upgrades by Ferrari have removed this 'sound effect'. This is a massive shame as it was such a great part of the driving experience. Just come out of an Audi V10 plus, that cracked and popped beautifully, why oh why has Ferrari removed this?
Been on the fchat forum & through all the searching cannot seem to find any solution to this ...Just to be clear,it is purely the lift off burbles I am missing, the general sound of the car is spot on for me, so I am not after an exhaust to increase the volume or whatever, but if there is say a Novitec/capristo/IPE exhaust that once installed does indeed bring back nice overrun cracks & pops I would jump at it....anyone got any advice/experience on getting the pops & farts back in the later V8 ferrari's?
Emonda03 said:
Good week of good driving in the speciale, great car indeed. One thing that disappoints me , and its not just the speciale here, its V8 Ferrari's in general is how the pops & cracks have been removed on throttle lift..why?
I had a 2010 italia, lifted off & crackle & pop , fantastic sound on the lift off, I understand later ECU upgrades by Ferrari have removed this 'sound effect'. This is a massive shame as it was such a great part of the driving experience. Just come out of an Audi V10 plus, that cracked and popped beautifully, why oh why has Ferrari removed this?
Been on the fchat forum & through all the searching cannot seem to find any solution to this ...Just to be clear,it is purely the lift off burbles I am missing, the general sound of the car is spot on for me, so I am not after an exhaust to increase the volume or whatever, but if there is say a Novitec/capristo/IPE exhaust that once installed does indeed bring back nice overrun cracks & pops I would jump at it....anyone got any advice/experience on getting the pops & farts back in the later V8 ferrari's?
www.ipe.comI had a 2010 italia, lifted off & crackle & pop , fantastic sound on the lift off, I understand later ECU upgrades by Ferrari have removed this 'sound effect'. This is a massive shame as it was such a great part of the driving experience. Just come out of an Audi V10 plus, that cracked and popped beautifully, why oh why has Ferrari removed this?
Been on the fchat forum & through all the searching cannot seem to find any solution to this ...Just to be clear,it is purely the lift off burbles I am missing, the general sound of the car is spot on for me, so I am not after an exhaust to increase the volume or whatever, but if there is say a Novitec/capristo/IPE exhaust that once installed does indeed bring back nice overrun cracks & pops I would jump at it....anyone got any advice/experience on getting the pops & farts back in the later V8 ferrari's?
www.capristo.com
www.tubi.com
Thanks for the links, but as I mentioned not really after an exhaust system UNLESS it specifically brings back the lift off crackles & pops..my understanding from research over at fchat is it is more to do with the ECU than any type of exhaust. I am very happy with the sound in general, it is specifically the over run lift off back pops & crackles I want...nowhere on the exhaust manufacturers sites do I see this mentioned. I have watch a few you tube videos on various exhausts on the speciale , lots seem to going for a louder F1 style sound but do not seem to have come across any with a nice crack & pop on lift off....which is the thing I want most!
Ring a known aftermarket remapper, like MRC or JFA, and ask if they can reprogram back in the pops and crackles.
A lot of VW, Ford, Mitsubishi and other hot-hatch owners remap pop, crackle and bangs into their exhausts / downpipe / engine on the overrun (not anti-lag).
It could be as simple as a software tweak on the ECU / TCU for under a grand.
Be interested to hear what they say, so be sure to report back if you look into it.
A lot of VW, Ford, Mitsubishi and other hot-hatch owners remap pop, crackle and bangs into their exhausts / downpipe / engine on the overrun (not anti-lag).
It could be as simple as a software tweak on the ECU / TCU for under a grand.
Be interested to hear what they say, so be sure to report back if you look into it.
Emonda03 said:
One thing that disappoints me , and its not just the speciale here, its V8 Ferrari's in general is how the pops & cracks have been removed on throttle lift..why?
I believe the fix for this is both simple and free. It involves unpluging the rubber vacuum lines from the exhaust valve control solenoids and plug the ends with golf tees to prevent the ECU from detecting a vacuum leak. This allows unburnt fuel to bypass the muffler and ignite in the exhaust for pops and bangs. Works so well on my F430 that I bought a remote control unit to make it switchable from the cabin.
Edited by red_duke on Tuesday 4th April 20:23
not sure that would work on a 458 red duke, there are various valve controllers, Forza etc that remote control the valves permanently open or closed etc and the general feel is this may make the exhaust louder or whatever, but does not help with crackles & pops, that is more of an ECU thing..not quite sure how you say you remote control it , if you do it for free by disconnecting the vacuum pipes & plug the holes with gold tee's, how do you remote control that?
it seems differing stories again around the reasoning...emissions is a favourite and now its due to possible damage etc...probably wont ever to get to find out the real reasons, a lot of other cars seem to manage with pops & crackles ok..Maserati was great, Audi RS6 does it, R8 V10 plus had lovely crackles & pops, my 2010 italia was awesome sounding on lift off...struggle really to believe that possible damage would be the reason, as many cars have been doing it for years, it is indeed a shame to lose it though, great part of driving enjoyment is that lift off pop & burble ...
Emonda03 said:
if you do it for free by disconnecting the vacuum pipes & plug the holes with gold tee's, how do you remote control that?
I described the free approach using golf tees so you can see if you like the effect without any outlay. I did, so went on to buy the Forza remote exhaust valve controller.My bad red duke...I see what you meant....
there is a big thread on the controller over at Fchat, and many like it, but it doesn't seem that it does bring back the pops & crackles, most seem to thing its an ECU thing. Yes the valves being open or closed etc creates a better sound for many , but unless you know something I don't, I don't think it will bring back pops etc, its more just controlling the sound level...maybe the 430 is different in this regard to the 458....did you not have 'pops & crackles' going on before you did this?
there is a big thread on the controller over at Fchat, and many like it, but it doesn't seem that it does bring back the pops & crackles, most seem to thing its an ECU thing. Yes the valves being open or closed etc creates a better sound for many , but unless you know something I don't, I don't think it will bring back pops etc, its more just controlling the sound level...maybe the 430 is different in this regard to the 458....did you not have 'pops & crackles' going on before you did this?
Emonda03 said:
did you not have 'pops & crackles' going on before you did this?
Yes, but you couldn't hear them as with the valves closed the muffler silenced them. I now get epic pops and bangs on the overrun when changing up or down the box (F1).Seriously - give the golf tee thing a go. It costs sod all and will address your scepticism.
It does work, I tried it, following advice from a fellow piston header on my California a few years ago and the sound was great and got the pops on the overrun however I found at low RPM I had lost a bit of torque easy to do and reinstate for service time.
red_duke said:
Yes, but you couldn't hear them as with the valves closed the muffler silenced them. I now get epic pops and bangs on the overrun when changing up or down the box (F1).
Seriously - give the golf tee thing a go. It costs sod all and will address your scepticism.
Seriously - give the golf tee thing a go. It costs sod all and will address your scepticism.
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