Dilema 360 CS or 430 Scud

[baypond]

I" have a more modern toy for quick stuff to keep the 650 S's in sight."

I have 650 ans CS. Love them both soooo much, but to be honest I love my Suffolk C Type and 930 Turbo just as much.
It renders arguments about 0-60 0-100 redundant. Buy for the smiles.

[TKH]

http://youtu.be/a0HR4oWnjwk

Just to make it harder to decide

[Slickhillsy]

TKH said:

http://youtu.be/a0HR4oWnjwk

Just to make it harder to decide

Trouble is the video is well intended, fairly watchable but unfortunately biased towards the owners CS. To say the Speciale is not special is plain daft and he has no idea what he's talking about. In the same breath talking about using it every day - who 'truly' uses a Speciale every day – less than 1%. It’s a well shot vid about how good his car is rather than a more objective comparison…

Worth a watch though…

[roygarth]

baypond said:

I have 650 ans CS. Love them both soooo much, but to be honest I love my Suffolk C Type and 930 Turbo just as much.
It renders arguments about 0-60 0-100 redundant. Buy for the smiles.

So true. I have 550 and CS but my 964C2 and 9112.2T are as much fun. And the 2CV is a blast and the E46 M3 is nice and the W123 230E is, er, OK a bit boring!

Edited by roygarth on Wednesday 5th October 16:04

[roygarth]

What I would like on CS is ability to soften suspension but keep gear changes fast ie Race mode with compliant suspension. I think you can do this on Scud?

[RamboLambo]

Whats not in doubt is everyone loves the CS for the sound and the scuderia for its superfast II F1 gearbox so as I have said before surely the answer is a 430 scuderia with full capristo system where you have the best of both worlds.

Anyway I'm off to look at a 16M now

[355fiorano]

I like the CS for the sound but more so for its handling, feel, communication and how light it feels on direction changes. Its like my old Elise with more power and actually more predictable responses on the limit, which gives you a lot of confidence. I am however biased to older/rawer machinery with no nanny devices so this is of course my own bias. Huge straight line speed and playstation controls are less my bag.

[roygarth]

355fiorano said:

I like the CS for the sound but more so for its handling, feel, communication and how light it feels on direction changes. Its like my old Elise with more power and actually more predictable responses on the limit, which gives you a lot of confidence. I am however biased to older/rawer machinery with no nanny devices so this is of course my own bias. Huge straight line speed and playstation controls are less my bag.

Absolutely. A friend of mine competes in acrobatic competitions worldwide in a Pitt Special, reckons my CS, in terms of responsiveness turn-in etc is the automotive equivalent!

[Russell996]

RamboLambo said:

Whats not in doubt is everyone loves the CS for the sound and the scuderia for its superfast II F1 gearbox so as I have said before surely the answer is a 430 scuderia with full capristo system where you have the best of both worlds.

Anyway I'm off to look at a 16M now

Gulp.

[Scooby P1]

Slickhillsy said:

Trouble is the video is well intended, fairly watchable but unfortunately biased towards the owners CS. To say the Speciale is not special is plain daft and he has no idea what he's talking about. In the same breath talking about using it every day - who 'truly' uses a Speciale every day – less than 1%. It’s a well shot vid about how good his car is rather than a more objective comparison…

Worth a watch though…

You're possibly right.
But I do think all the positives he highlights about the CS are valid.
Who wants to or does drive them every day? If it was a sunny weekend blast, surely the CS does offer more theatre / drama and you can't deny it was more racecar made road legal than road car made into a profitable range topper.

No denying they are all special, but the CS has to be the F40 of the more modern generations, rawest and most engaging and the agricultural aspect probably adds to that.

TVR Griffiths were never easy to drive, cold behaviour not great and all of that adds to the charm and fun. A cold CS is a pig, a warm one puts a unique smile on your face!

[Slickhillsy]

Completely agree on his 360 comments, a more balance view would have made a more interesting watch.

This for example...

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/gues...

and on the F40 comparison of the three.

"Cottingham thinks that, unlike the Speciale, it’s easier to find the raw edge of the Scuderia on the road, delivering an almost F40-like thrill."

[roygarth]

I suppose a clue to the their relative desirability is that Challenge Stradale cost 25% more than 430 Scuderia. And we're in the age stage where the newer model would usually be at a premium.

[RamboLambo]

roygarth said:

I suppose a clue to the their relative desirability is that Challenge Stradale cost 25% more than 430 Scuderia. And we're in the age stage where the newer model would usually be at a premium.

In a strong market with a lot of investors/collectors these prices are purely driven by the rarity and production numbers and has little to do with how good the car is or isn't.
Both are great cars in their own right but good RHD CS are rarer than equivalent scuderia.

From purely a driving point of view my own preference is with the scuderia because of the improvement in the F1 gearbox but I wouldn't turn down a CS.
To think I bought a newer F430 F1 spider for £115k in 2010 when I could of had a CS for £90k

Edited by RamboLambo on Wednesday 5th October 16:29

Edited by RamboLambo on Wednesday 5th October 16:31

[roygarth]

RamboLambo said:

roygarth said:

I suppose a clue to the their relative desirability is that Challenge Stradale cost 25% more than 430 Scuderia. And we're in the age stage where the newer model would usually be at a premium.

In a strong market a lot of investors/collectors these prices are purely driven by the rarity and production numbers and has little to do with how good the car is or isn't.
Both are great cars in their own right but good RHD CS are rarer than equivalent scuderia.

From purely a driving point of view my own preference is with the scuderia because of the improvement in the F1 gearbox

Fair comment. I'm always surprised that a relatively small difference in production numbers can have quite a large effect on price. CS V Scud is a good example but 993RS v 964RS is an even better one.

[Scooby P1]

RamboLambo said:

In a strong market with a lot of investors/collectors these prices are purely driven by the rarity and production numbers and has little to do with how good the car is or isn't.
Both are great cars in their own right but good RHD CS are rarer than equivalent scuderia.

From purely a driving point of view my own preference is with the scuderia because of the improvement in the F1 gearbox but I wouldn't turn down a CS.
To think I bought a newer F430 F1 spider for £115k in 2010 when I could of had a CS for £90k

Edited by RamboLambo on Wednesday 5th October 16:29

Edited by RamboLambo on Wednesday 5th October 16:31

I spend far too much time beating myself up over hindsight of in 2008 how much I could have bought an M3 CSL, 360 CS and 355 spider for compared with what they are worth now.......

Not worth thinking about. Parents selling houses in London instead of keeping them 20 years ago is another good one!

[baypond]

Scooby P1 said:

I spend far too much time beating myself up over hindsight of in 2008 how much I could have bought an M3 CSL, 360 CS and 355 spider for compared with what they are worth now.......

Not worth thinking about. Parents selling houses in London instead of keeping them 20 years ago is another good one!

So a friend of mine was telling me that in the early 1960's his parents bought a house in Milford Haven for the same amount of money that a friends parents bought in Hampstead.
The house in Milford Haven is worth £160,000, and the house in Hampstead is £3.5 million.

[Slickhillsy]

baypond said:

Scooby P1 said:

I spend far too much time beating myself up over hindsight of in 2008 how much I could have bought an M3 CSL, 360 CS and 355 spider for compared with what they are worth now.......

Not worth thinking about. Parents selling houses in London instead of keeping them 20 years ago is another good one!

So a friend of mine was telling me that in the early 1960's his parents bought a house in Milford Haven for the same amount of money that a friends parents bought in Hampstead.
The house in Milford Haven is worth £160,000, and the house in Hampstead is £3.5 million.

Annnnnyways - So OP, what's it to be... CS, Scud or a house in Milford Haven Pmsl...

[TKH]

Much as Milford Haven appeals everything ive looked at there has had way too many owners and poor maintenance


So back to Scuds and CS
I am swaying to CS but only just now im opening another can of worms is it worth payin 30k more for a RHD ?

[Car Mad Dave]

OP, only you can decide on RHD v LHD but let me share my experience as an owner of LHD and RHD cars (my CS is LHD). I drive my cars in Europe as well as the UK and tbh, I find its just a question of spending time in the thing.

On UK roads a LHD CS for me has a plus point - I actually prefer the driver position next to the kerb - good for judging width on tight country lanes! Otherwise the main differences are, (1) the need to hang back to overtake - not a problem given the power, (2) vision to the right on turning left at a T junction - really difficult if you have the 4 point harness but manageable if you hang back a little then you have clear sight out of the rear quarter light, and (3) Going into carparks / tolls you either get out and run round or buy a grab stick and drop the passenger window - this works a treat.

Of course, LHD is perfect for there Euro trips if that's your thing.

Only advice on buying a LHD I would give is check out the history - I looked at a few until I found mine (2 owner, full history and well cared for etc.).

I am sure whatever you decide to get, it will be a rewarding and fun drive.

CMD.

[roygarth]

TKH said:

Much as Milford Haven appeals everything ive looked at there has had way too many owners and poor maintenance


So back to Scuds and CS
I am swaying to CS but only just now im opening another can of worms is it worth payin 30k more for a RHD ?

£30k? More like £60k to £100K surely?