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No they definitely dont tell you that; I very nearly bought that car a month ago!! Something didn't feel right about it.
The fact they have had it for nearly a year explains the tiny mileage in last 12 months. Who did the rebuild?
Has it been tracked; I spotted a go pro mount between the seats?
Why did you sell it?
The fact they have had it for nearly a year explains the tiny mileage in last 12 months. Who did the rebuild?
Has it been tracked; I spotted a go pro mount between the seats?
Why did you sell it?
Edited by Chris355 on Thursday 1st June 06:29
No warranty, about 19K miles but it had had the MK2 manifolds fitted at some point so it was historical damage. It sounded like the 360 butterfly inlet noise but only on a light throttle at around 3-3500 rpm. As soon as you decelerated or accelerated it went straight away. Emblem did the work and first was convinced it was valve buckets then variators using an acoustic probe.
Sold it as when I got it back the roof started playing up big time and the F1 pump was taking 20 seconds to prime. Poor wife had gone through enough financial pain so it went.
Should have kept my 360 Spider as that was perfect. https://m18eut.wordpress.com/360-spider-m18-eut/
was never tracked and the mount between the seats was only for 'leisure purposes'. In fairness, the car is immaculate and the engine is very strong - did they tell you it has a DMS map too - around 525bhp on the dyno!
Let me know if you want any other info - surprised it hasn't sold TBH. https://m18eut.wordpress.com/f430-spider-m18-eut/
Sold it as when I got it back the roof started playing up big time and the F1 pump was taking 20 seconds to prime. Poor wife had gone through enough financial pain so it went.
Should have kept my 360 Spider as that was perfect. https://m18eut.wordpress.com/360-spider-m18-eut/
was never tracked and the mount between the seats was only for 'leisure purposes'. In fairness, the car is immaculate and the engine is very strong - did they tell you it has a DMS map too - around 525bhp on the dyno!
Let me know if you want any other info - surprised it hasn't sold TBH. https://m18eut.wordpress.com/f430-spider-m18-eut/
Edited by ewolg on Thursday 1st June 07:08
Edited by ewolg on Thursday 1st June 07:09
Edited by ewolg on Thursday 1st June 07:11
No they didnt tell me about the map either. They insisted that the panels were proper carbon (not dipped). With the list of issues it had/has, i wont be going near that one. In fact, reading that list is a bit scary. Unfortunately you seemed very unlucky; has it put you off for life?
Looks beautiful though!
Looks beautiful though!
Edited by Chris355 on Thursday 1st June 07:34
To be fair doing research on F430s made it clear to me that the manifolds were made of chocolate, and - if they went, or started to degrade - all sorts of attendant issues could occur. Always found it amusing that main dealers would mention them having been replaced, and quickly move on so as to gloss over the fact that it's unusual that they would need to be changed at all.
That being said I'm not entirely sure why a dealer would advertise the fact a car like this has had an engine rebuild. I would take it as read that any car sold by a dealer or privately may have been in an undeclared accident in the past, had all kinds of work, etc and judge the whole thing based on the condition at the point of sale. Frankly I'd pay for an inspection on any non-franchise car.
edit: Bit dodgy saying that it's got CF parts though, when they're carbon dipped. The genuine CF parts would've cost many £thousands.
That being said I'm not entirely sure why a dealer would advertise the fact a car like this has had an engine rebuild. I would take it as read that any car sold by a dealer or privately may have been in an undeclared accident in the past, had all kinds of work, etc and judge the whole thing based on the condition at the point of sale. Frankly I'd pay for an inspection on any non-franchise car.
edit: Bit dodgy saying that it's got CF parts though, when they're carbon dipped. The genuine CF parts would've cost many £thousands.
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 1st June 09:43
Chris355 said:
No they didnt tell me about the map either. They insisted that the panels were proper carbon (not dipped). With the list of issues it had/has, i wont be going near that one. In fact, reading that list is a bit scary. Unfortunately you seemed very unlucky; has it put you off for life?
Looks beautiful though!
I realise each to their own, but there should be nothing on that list that puts you off. An engine rebuild on any car is not a bad thing provided it is done correctly of course, and the pictures (on the blog) seem to bear that out. Yes this one was early in the cars life but a rebuild is still a good thing, try and find a classic without one. The roof I know nothing about but a tired F1 pump is a common malady on the early cars and an easy fix. Both of these can be done prior to purchase. Tracking a car is also no bad thing, driving the car as meant on a smooth track is a darn site better than smashing over potholes on our country roads.Looks beautiful though!
Edited by Chris355 on Thursday 1st June 07:34
Anyway, no skin in the game, but when you said you thought 'something felt wrong' I had to comment. That car looks lovely and reading the blog there is nothing there that would put me off. In fact since I track my car regularly, the DMS tune sounds interesting... Market does seem to be waiting though. Cheers.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st June 10:00
Each to their own as has been said, but the map is a total deal breaker for me. No matter how reputable the company is. It also seriously reduces the number of people who would consider buying it (which assuming the Trader knew about it, is possibly why i wasn't told about it!).
As for the rest, some would be more concerning than others. Body work im not averse to, depending on how serious the damage was. Many of the others points would be resolved by having an inspection.
Its not for me though ...
As for the rest, some would be more concerning than others. Body work im not averse to, depending on how serious the damage was. Many of the others points would be resolved by having an inspection.
Its not for me though ...
Chris355 said:
Each to their own as has been said, but the map is a total deal breaker for me. No matter how reputable the company is. It also seriously reduces the number of people who would consider buying it (which assuming the Trader knew about it, is possibly why i wasn't told about it!).
As for the rest, some would be more concerning than others. Body work im not averse to, depending on how serious the damage was. Many of the others points would be resolved by having an inspection.
Its not for me though ...
I'm not too bothered about power map tbh, more interested in ensuring the car is running as good as can be in respect of fuelling.As for the rest, some would be more concerning than others. Body work im not averse to, depending on how serious the damage was. Many of the others points would be resolved by having an inspection.
Its not for me though ...
del mar said:
How long can a dealer have a car in stock before it starts to hurt ?
Quite easy to check liquidity of any business on Companies House website now, from that you can deduce fairly quickly who owns stock and who doesn't...some dealers out there have barely the value of a used 996 in assets!Yipper said:
Indy dealers with lots of stock (usually) tend to be SOR, have a sugar daddy somewhere in the background, or fronts for laundered money.
Strong statement to make for the last one!!!! Here's one for you to research in your own inimitable way.... Which Sugar Daddies are behind JD Classics? They, by the way, own most (all?) their stock...
rubystone said:
Yipper said:
Indy dealers with lots of stock (usually) tend to be SOR, have a sugar daddy somewhere in the background, or fronts for laundered money.
Strong statement to make for the last one!!!! Here's one for you to research in your own inimitable way.... Which Sugar Daddies are behind JD Classics? They, by the way, own most (all?) their stock...
Principal said:
ah yes, but who is behind them...Chris355 said:
No they didnt tell me about the map either. They insisted that the panels were proper carbon (not dipped). With the list of issues it had/has, i wont be going near that one. In fact, reading that list is a bit scary. Unfortunately you seemed very unlucky; has it put you off for life?
Looks beautiful though!
The dipped panels do look good and I wasn't going to pay Ferrari prices. Given the lottery win I will be down choosing many models all with a cast iron guarantee and servicing for 7 years...Looks beautiful though!
Edited by Chris355 on Thursday 1st June 07:34
chillo said:
Interested in your thoughts and experience with the map!
I've been thinking about getting mine mapped but DMS are so far away from me
I had a saga with DMS with my Jag - https://m18eut.wordpress.com/jaguar-f-type-v6s-m18... so wonder what they fudged with the F430 and indeed any car for that matter. Would never trust them again.I've been thinking about getting mine mapped but DMS are so far away from me
ewolg said:
I had a saga with DMS with my Jag - https://m18eut.wordpress.com/jaguar-f-type-v6s-m18... so wonder what they fudged with the F430 and indeed any car for that matter. Would never trust them again.
That was an interesting read, as were your F430 experiences. Nice to read some candid owner experiences of these sorts of things.
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