Huge price difference 456 to 550
Discussion
A few years ago I bought a 456 and love it ( and hate it some days...).
They are great cars, reliable and handle like a big capri. I am always disappointed by the trim rattles and the daft parts prices, but ultimately epic value for £23k.
Oh and a bit of research sorts parts a lot more sensibly priced. Renault Laguna a/c pump anyone....
When I bought my 456 I tried a few 550s but for me a bit harsher ride and less pretty but essentially similar drive so why are the prices going mental for them compared to,manual 456s?
In Europe things seem closer?
They are great cars, reliable and handle like a big capri. I am always disappointed by the trim rattles and the daft parts prices, but ultimately epic value for £23k.
Oh and a bit of research sorts parts a lot more sensibly priced. Renault Laguna a/c pump anyone....
When I bought my 456 I tried a few 550s but for me a bit harsher ride and less pretty but essentially similar drive so why are the prices going mental for them compared to,manual 456s?
In Europe things seem closer?
the 4 seaters are always valued less than the 2 seat versions, even though the 456GT had 45bhp less and is in many people's eyes the prettier car.
A red/cream GT sold recently for £43k, so as always it depends on condition and service history, what you will get for it.
presume you have found ferrarichat forum, thats quite good for finding part swaps - BMW7 door locks, Volvo headlight and spoiler motors for example.
A red/cream GT sold recently for £43k, so as always it depends on condition and service history, what you will get for it.
presume you have found ferrarichat forum, thats quite good for finding part swaps - BMW7 door locks, Volvo headlight and spoiler motors for example.
The 456 is a lovely looking car and I'll stick my neck out and say a more cohesive design IMO than the 550. Looking a little under-wheeled these days but I saw one on what I think were 430 wheels that looked great. The 4 seat value point is a double edged sword as on the plus side it enables us to purchase stunning cars featuring most of the performance of their 2 seat siblings but at a fraction of their price.
I agree ; for me the 456 is less phallic.
I also think that the slightly softer suspension and those undernourished tyres help a 456 be more easily playful. Is it just me or the ease with which you can ease the tail out on it makes it feel like a big Capri!
Obviously the slightly shoddy ferrari build quality can irritate ; who came up with the idea of that plastic rubbish on the centre console. Having said that sit in a new porsvolkdi-borghini and they feel like an Asda egg box so I am being picky.
It does irritate however that the forum experts talk such rubbish about them and just regurgitate hearsay. Obviously anything that goes wrong is dear if you take it to a main dealer; fixing a wheel barrow there would be harsh. Mercifully they don' t go wrong often in my view.
I have read the doom about £5k damper repairs ....£100 each at bilstein with £40 quid for new spheres at bmw
The constantly failing cooling pipe in the v.. I just replaced my 17 year old one with a new ferrari item ( ask a cayenne owner on that one)
The list goes on of twaddle. Of course things break, cars do, but none of it grim and sortable with some research.
I hope it doesn't put people off enjoying epic Daytona style ferrari for the price of a mondeo .
See the link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxODap65JtE&sns...
I also think that the slightly softer suspension and those undernourished tyres help a 456 be more easily playful. Is it just me or the ease with which you can ease the tail out on it makes it feel like a big Capri!
Obviously the slightly shoddy ferrari build quality can irritate ; who came up with the idea of that plastic rubbish on the centre console. Having said that sit in a new porsvolkdi-borghini and they feel like an Asda egg box so I am being picky.
It does irritate however that the forum experts talk such rubbish about them and just regurgitate hearsay. Obviously anything that goes wrong is dear if you take it to a main dealer; fixing a wheel barrow there would be harsh. Mercifully they don' t go wrong often in my view.
I have read the doom about £5k damper repairs ....£100 each at bilstein with £40 quid for new spheres at bmw
The constantly failing cooling pipe in the v.. I just replaced my 17 year old one with a new ferrari item ( ask a cayenne owner on that one)
The list goes on of twaddle. Of course things break, cars do, but none of it grim and sortable with some research.
I hope it doesn't put people off enjoying epic Daytona style ferrari for the price of a mondeo .
See the link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxODap65JtE&sns...
Rufalike said:
A few years ago I bought a 456 and love it ( and hate it some days...).
They are great cars, reliable and handle like a big capri. I am always disappointed by the trim rattles and the daft parts prices, but ultimately epic value for £23k.
Oh and a bit of research sorts parts a lot more sensibly priced. Renault Laguna a/c pump anyone....
When I bought my 456 I tried a few 550s but for me a bit harsher ride and less pretty but essentially similar drive so why are the prices going mental for them compared to,manual 456s?
In Europe things seem closer?
My 550 has a FHP. No doubt you'd find the ride more harsh. But like all 550s it handles like a V12 Ferrari that's been beautifully tuned by Schuey, which it was. Not a big capri. They are great cars, reliable and handle like a big capri. I am always disappointed by the trim rattles and the daft parts prices, but ultimately epic value for £23k.
Oh and a bit of research sorts parts a lot more sensibly priced. Renault Laguna a/c pump anyone....
When I bought my 456 I tried a few 550s but for me a bit harsher ride and less pretty but essentially similar drive so why are the prices going mental for them compared to,manual 456s?
In Europe things seem closer?
Perhaps that's why the 550's values will continue to move ever north. That and because its design becomes sweeter with each passing year. While other cars are good, the 550 is heading for greatness.
Oh funny
It is that sort of hilarity that ferrari chat breeds.
Whatever the reason you think 550s go up in value it isn't because of some Schumacher inspired handling benefit.
I think many manufacturers would be happy to make a powerful red car handle with the ease and aplomb of a ford Capri ; you may have noticed a bit of a motorsport history with the Capri such as spa 24 hours and a rather limited history by comparison for a 550.
My ex works Capri is a fantastic racing car with beautiful handling.
The point was in fact not to criticise a 550 though in common with all those who like the sexual overtones of a car easily get offended by a perceived criticism it was to reflect that on our pockmarked roads the softer rear suspension may allow easier access to entertainment.
Modern desire to make even a family car suspended on rock hard suspension to allow pub bragging rights one step up from
A lowered Saxo has bred a set of vehicles which may well corner quickly but lack much interaction
Both the 456 and 550 are at the end of an era of harsh super cars with nanny state electronics and zero feel and that is part of the reason I feel for the interest in them.
My point was the 456 is a similar beast to the 550 and with values as they are allows a wider access to ferrari ownership.
That wider access often seems to offend ferrari owners who like to own and not use and almost revel in big bills at main dealers to enchance pub bragging.
So when you take time to think apart from apparently offending your ego that a ford can be compared to a ferrari ( remember the gt40?) enjoy the reference to a great handling car .
It is that sort of hilarity that ferrari chat breeds.
Whatever the reason you think 550s go up in value it isn't because of some Schumacher inspired handling benefit.
I think many manufacturers would be happy to make a powerful red car handle with the ease and aplomb of a ford Capri ; you may have noticed a bit of a motorsport history with the Capri such as spa 24 hours and a rather limited history by comparison for a 550.
My ex works Capri is a fantastic racing car with beautiful handling.
The point was in fact not to criticise a 550 though in common with all those who like the sexual overtones of a car easily get offended by a perceived criticism it was to reflect that on our pockmarked roads the softer rear suspension may allow easier access to entertainment.
Modern desire to make even a family car suspended on rock hard suspension to allow pub bragging rights one step up from
A lowered Saxo has bred a set of vehicles which may well corner quickly but lack much interaction
Both the 456 and 550 are at the end of an era of harsh super cars with nanny state electronics and zero feel and that is part of the reason I feel for the interest in them.
My point was the 456 is a similar beast to the 550 and with values as they are allows a wider access to ferrari ownership.
That wider access often seems to offend ferrari owners who like to own and not use and almost revel in big bills at main dealers to enchance pub bragging.
So when you take time to think apart from apparently offending your ego that a ford can be compared to a ferrari ( remember the gt40?) enjoy the reference to a great handling car .
Having owned a couple of Ferrari's including a 550, and having been a member of the Owners club and CS, ive never heard anyone ever brag about Service Bills, in fact fellow onwers in Club Scud were approachable and friendly.
I think both the cars are stunning, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for me the 550 wins every time.
You obviously frequent the wrong pubs....
I think both the cars are stunning, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for me the 550 wins every time.
You obviously frequent the wrong pubs....
Well it looking at the facts cars today all seem to be stiffly Suspended; there are few cars that you can buy today that are genuinely supple from Basic hatchbacks to execubarges.
I think we all must enjoy sportscars to be on here and enjoy going quickly but a modern hatch is itself faster than many an old super car .ultimately most cars today are far too fast to enjoy anywhere near their limits on crowded roads.
What seems to have gone in the quest for speed Is the variety so for instance the joy of an early pre he xjs or Citroen or rolls shadow floating down a road is hard to find. 80s Mercedes with sublime damping are a distant Memory. If you have never ridden in one of these I really recommend hunting one out or buying one.
I remember changing my jag xjr x308 for the alumnium x350 xjrs
One on air....what a grim ride that felt like a generic modern with brittle low speed bump
Absorption.
Even my old Renault 5 turbo or first Bmw m5 used to feel supple compared to a modern mapper 5 series which jiggles and pitches constantly. Think Porsche cayenne which fidgets permanently.
The corollary with electric steering and electronic dampers and stiff suspension is a loss of feel and the ability to flow down a road and have readily accessible limits with soft analogue style edges.
Oddly my late range rover l322 rolls like a pig but driven sedately has that supple feeling of old and feels as a consequence like a luxury car.
I know everyone is different but for me these v12 ferraris are the end of an era and do just about have that fluid drive with analogue feel and I think we are lucky To experience them and to be able to poke the tail out at speeds that are not insane.
Now we have reached the scale of piping man made noise into cars like the i8 bmw are we seeing the end of the point of super cars and the sense of lasting pleasure gained from Actually driving a powerful car without driver aids?
So back to the point , snap up a 456 or 550 for sensible Money as in a few years the pleasure had from
Owning one instead of a Volkswagen ( Bentley porsche or Audi) or bmw for the same money will be the best cash ever spent and give an amazing sense of pride in owning a v12 ferrari and kicks from Driving it!
Dare I suggest a 456/550 is the most balanced ferrari ever looking at looks pace quality reliability use ability accessible thrills involvement and value?
I think we all must enjoy sportscars to be on here and enjoy going quickly but a modern hatch is itself faster than many an old super car .ultimately most cars today are far too fast to enjoy anywhere near their limits on crowded roads.
What seems to have gone in the quest for speed Is the variety so for instance the joy of an early pre he xjs or Citroen or rolls shadow floating down a road is hard to find. 80s Mercedes with sublime damping are a distant Memory. If you have never ridden in one of these I really recommend hunting one out or buying one.
I remember changing my jag xjr x308 for the alumnium x350 xjrs
One on air....what a grim ride that felt like a generic modern with brittle low speed bump
Absorption.
Even my old Renault 5 turbo or first Bmw m5 used to feel supple compared to a modern mapper 5 series which jiggles and pitches constantly. Think Porsche cayenne which fidgets permanently.
The corollary with electric steering and electronic dampers and stiff suspension is a loss of feel and the ability to flow down a road and have readily accessible limits with soft analogue style edges.
Oddly my late range rover l322 rolls like a pig but driven sedately has that supple feeling of old and feels as a consequence like a luxury car.
I know everyone is different but for me these v12 ferraris are the end of an era and do just about have that fluid drive with analogue feel and I think we are lucky To experience them and to be able to poke the tail out at speeds that are not insane.
Now we have reached the scale of piping man made noise into cars like the i8 bmw are we seeing the end of the point of super cars and the sense of lasting pleasure gained from Actually driving a powerful car without driver aids?
So back to the point , snap up a 456 or 550 for sensible Money as in a few years the pleasure had from
Owning one instead of a Volkswagen ( Bentley porsche or Audi) or bmw for the same money will be the best cash ever spent and give an amazing sense of pride in owning a v12 ferrari and kicks from Driving it!
Dare I suggest a 456/550 is the most balanced ferrari ever looking at looks pace quality reliability use ability accessible thrills involvement and value?
I have always thought the 550 was like a modern day Daytona and the 456 like the 365 gtc, Going back even further the 250 swb v the 250 gte massive price difference.
The 456 just isn't as pretty as the 550 IMHO ( I may be biased) I think it's an aspirational thing as well.
For what ever reason people aspire to the 355,550 etc it's the architipal Ferrari.
If I hed to buy a four seat it would be a Maserati 4.7 mc shift
Phib
The 456 just isn't as pretty as the 550 IMHO ( I may be biased) I think it's an aspirational thing as well.
For what ever reason people aspire to the 355,550 etc it's the architipal Ferrari.
If I hed to buy a four seat it would be a Maserati 4.7 mc shift
Phib
phib said:
I have always thought the 550 was like a modern day Daytona and the 456 like the 365 gtc, Going back even further the 250 swb v the 250 gte massive price difference.
The 456 just isn't as pretty as the 550 IMHO ( I may be biased) I think it's an aspirational thing as well.
For what ever reason people aspire to the 355,550 etc it's the architipal Ferrari.
If I hed to buy a four seat it would be a Maserati 4.7 mc shift
Phib
Both lovely cars, but I agree with the above.....looking at the price differential the market agrees with you. The 456 just isn't as pretty as the 550 IMHO ( I may be biased) I think it's an aspirational thing as well.
For what ever reason people aspire to the 355,550 etc it's the architipal Ferrari.
If I hed to buy a four seat it would be a Maserati 4.7 mc shift
Phib
It's the 4 seat thing - for some reason, the market decrees that 4 seat Ferrari's depreciate like nothing else. 612s are the same, and if the same happens to the FF I'll gladly put one alongside my 550 in a few years.
As much as the 550 is my ultimate car, the 456 in TdF blue is the best looking car of the last 30 years IMO
As much as the 550 is my ultimate car, the 456 in TdF blue is the best looking car of the last 30 years IMO
Which I suppose takes us back to the start which is what belting value 456s are and not the reliability disaster zone some pundits believe
On a separate note anyone tried opening
Up the rear boxes and modifying them
A little to allow a touch of fruitiness without going tubi loud?
The splendid howl you get at 120 plus could do with being a little
More accessible!
On a separate note anyone tried opening
Up the rear boxes and modifying them
A little to allow a touch of fruitiness without going tubi loud?
The splendid howl you get at 120 plus could do with being a little
More accessible!
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