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Seriously guys I'm not a big fan of the styling on the FF however as an investment these cars are the next big deal.
Second hand prices have been hovering around the £150k mark and don't seem to be dropping further. Once again limited edition Ferrari V12's are a safe bet in terms of protecting your investment.
I'm seriously tempted to ad one to the Sparrow fleet......
Second hand prices have been hovering around the £150k mark and don't seem to be dropping further. Once again limited edition Ferrari V12's are a safe bet in terms of protecting your investment.
I'm seriously tempted to ad one to the Sparrow fleet......
Charlysparrow said:
Seriously guys I'm not a big fan of the styling on the FF however as an investment these cars are the next big deal.
Second hand prices have been hovering around the £150k mark and don't seem to be dropping further. Once again limited edition Ferrari V12's are a safe bet in terms of protecting your investment.
I'm seriously tempted to ad one to the Sparrow fleet......
FF apparently going turbo or hybrid with the facelift which should be due in a year or so I believe.Second hand prices have been hovering around the £150k mark and don't seem to be dropping further. Once again limited edition Ferrari V12's are a safe bet in terms of protecting your investment.
I'm seriously tempted to ad one to the Sparrow fleet......
Devonboy said:
Hi Pork
I have seen your car in the car park from the train on several occasions!
Yup seen the 15 plate and my number plate has changed to "37 SF" and just taken my FF through 10k miles - so its still a baby!
Hi,I have seen your car in the car park from the train on several occasions!
Yup seen the 15 plate and my number plate has changed to "37 SF" and just taken my FF through 10k miles - so its still a baby!
Ah right. I'm not committing much at the moment so it's not often at the station for now. I'm guessing you have a station car too? I'm often amazed at the cars in the station car park.....there's some crackers there!
I'll keep my eyes peeled and if I see you around and get the chance, it'd be good to say hello.
Charlysparrow said:
Seriously guys I'm not a big fan of the styling on the FF however as an investment these cars are the next big deal.
Second hand prices have been hovering around the £150k mark and don't seem to be dropping further. Once again limited edition Ferrari V12's are a safe bet in terms of protecting your investment.
I'm seriously tempted to ad one to the Sparrow fleet......
Charlysparrow - as an FF owner I too have been watching prices - there are 203 ish cars registered at present but despite the increase in numbers since I bought mine in 2012 (there where 170 odd then) the numbers for sale in the used market have tumbled - at present there are 11 cars for sale but 7 are 2015 models well north of £200k - so owners are hanging on to them and I suspect that is one factor. I paid £170k for my 2012 with 1500 miles on it and today with 10k miles my sense is it would retail for circa £150-155k (its fully loaded) so depreciation (even if I add on dealer margin) has been pretty reasonable. I am toying with trading up to a newer version but finding the car is the challenge - but after 18 months owning an FF - all I can say is that is effing glorious and such a complete car - both family car, hoonmobile and it can even traverse snow and grass! - a family car that dads really love driving! Second hand prices have been hovering around the £150k mark and don't seem to be dropping further. Once again limited edition Ferrari V12's are a safe bet in terms of protecting your investment.
I'm seriously tempted to ad one to the Sparrow fleet......
Devonboy said:
Charlysparrow - as an FF owner I too have been watching prices - there are 203 ish cars registered at present but despite the increase in numbers since I bought mine in 2012 (there where 170 odd then) the numbers for sale in the used market have tumbled - at present there are 11 cars for sale but 7 are 2015 models well north of £200k - so owners are hanging on to them and I suspect that is one factor. I paid £170k for my 2012 with 1500 miles on it and today with 10k miles my sense is it would retail for circa £150-155k (its fully loaded) so depreciation (even if I add on dealer margin) has been pretty reasonable. I am toying with trading up to a newer version but finding the car is the challenge - but after 18 months owning an FF - all I can say is that is effing glorious and such a complete car - both family car, hoonmobile and it can even traverse snow and grass! - a family car that dads really love driving!
Wonder if you could use it as a shooting vehicle? (if on slightly less performance orientated tyres). FF fascinates me as being a more useable F12... thats how I see it anyway, although I know the windows are rather thick in comparison to the F12... Owners seem to be very impressed by them!
mattf93 said:
Wonder if you could use it as a shooting vehicle? (if on slightly less performance orientated tyres).
FF fascinates me as being a more useable F12... thats how I see it anyway, although I know the windows are rather thick in comparison to the F12... Owners seem to be very impressed by them!
Well it does do everything else......:-)FF fascinates me as being a more useable F12... thats how I see it anyway, although I know the windows are rather thick in comparison to the F12... Owners seem to be very impressed by them!
I'd like to think I know a little about Ferrari's and as such would never doubt the abilities of the FF? I see a lot of these cars around town and believe me I can't get my head around the styling. I'm a big Ferrari fan and have forced myself to like the car however I'm now swaying towards an FF to replace my 612.
That's if I do replace it because the value of my 612 One to One is heading north and will continue to do so. I'm not an FF hater but I can't love it either......
Charly Sparrow
That's if I do replace it because the value of my 612 One to One is heading north and will continue to do so. I'm not an FF hater but I can't love it either......
Charly Sparrow
Charlysparrow said:
I'd like to think I know a little about Ferrari's and as such would never doubt the abilities of the FF? I see a lot of these cars around town and believe me I can't get my head around the styling. I'm a big Ferrari fan and have forced myself to like the car however I'm now swaying towards an FF to replace my 612.
That's if I do replace it because the value of my 612 One to One is heading north and will continue to do so. I'm not an FF hater but I can't love it either......
Charly Sparrow
To put it bluntly, its a grower not a shower That's if I do replace it because the value of my 612 One to One is heading north and will continue to do so. I'm not an FF hater but I can't love it either......
Charly Sparrow
I'd like to think I know a little about Ferrari's and as such would never doubt the abilities of the FF? I see a lot of these cars around town and believe me I can't get my head around the styling. I'm a big Ferrari fan and have forced myself to like the car however I'm now swaying towards an FF to replace my 612.
That's if I do replace it because the value of my 612 One to One is heading north and will continue to do so. I'm not an FF hater but I can't love it either......
Charly Sparrow
That's if I do replace it because the value of my 612 One to One is heading north and will continue to do so. I'm not an FF hater but I can't love it either......
Charly Sparrow
How do they cope with being used as a daily driver and having the miles racked up on them? We had a CGT Speed which I found too ostentatious (but had an amazing interior) and now have a Masterati GTS which is a fabulous looking and sounding machine but I'm thinking the FF would be a rewarding step forward. I like the idea of an Aston but we had a DB9 for a few days and it left me cold and in my opinion the Maserati is superior in nearly every regard. It seems that the more sports orientated Ferraris (430 and the like) require a lot of maintenance too keep on top of them (clutch, rose joints, rod ends, ball joints, manifolds etc). Is the FF going to be as demanding or are they more durable?
I love the look of the FF, stealthy but still supremely handsome and it does sound like a genuinely capable day to day car that would also be perfect for long continental adventures with the family. Would I be disappointed with one like I was with the DB9 or is the FF as good as it sounds? And yes, I will arrange a test drive but the FF only appeared on my radar today so I'm just starting doing the research
I test drove a Tesla P85D last week and that was a very impressive car but it came in at an eye watering £110+. That's a lot of money considering what else is available. We also test drove a Panamera hybrid (and bought one) but it doesn't exactly get the pulse racing, a face only a mother can love, as they say I only mention the cars above so you have an idea of my frame of reference and can give feedback as to where my expectations should sit with regards to the FF
I love the look of the FF, stealthy but still supremely handsome and it does sound like a genuinely capable day to day car that would also be perfect for long continental adventures with the family. Would I be disappointed with one like I was with the DB9 or is the FF as good as it sounds? And yes, I will arrange a test drive but the FF only appeared on my radar today so I'm just starting doing the research
I test drove a Tesla P85D last week and that was a very impressive car but it came in at an eye watering £110+. That's a lot of money considering what else is available. We also test drove a Panamera hybrid (and bought one) but it doesn't exactly get the pulse racing, a face only a mother can love, as they say
I only mention the cars above so you have an idea of my frame of reference and can give feedback as to where my expectations should sit with regards to the FF Exactly the thought process that lead me to the FF. A capably daily driver with practicality for the family, but the capability to be a true 4 up GT car. I've done around 10k in mine in 19 months, including a week or so in the south of France as a family. Last winter it was my daily driver, I was even parking it at the station. It has been a straightforward ownership experience and the Ferrari warranty means you have peace of mind.
They certainly cope with the miles - there are guys on Fchat who have racked up 30k miles in a couple of years, and there are 100k cars out there already. The depreciation will be steep, even on a S/H car. But in terms of the experience and the technology its in another league in terms of usability and drivetrain to any competitor. I looked at Panamera, CGT, Maserati GT, Bentley Brooklands and Aston Rapide. The Aston got close just because it's a V12 and it is beautiful to look at, but to drive vs an FF, the FF feels like its from a whole different generation.
The steering is super fast, as it is on all modern Ferraris, and that is an acquired taste, but all I can say is if you drive one, be prepared to want it. A V12 revving out to almost 8k revs is a sound that I'm sure we're not going to hear forever. Rumour has it that the FF facelift in 2017 will be a TT V8. Get one while you can....
They certainly cope with the miles - there are guys on Fchat who have racked up 30k miles in a couple of years, and there are 100k cars out there already. The depreciation will be steep, even on a S/H car. But in terms of the experience and the technology its in another league in terms of usability and drivetrain to any competitor. I looked at Panamera, CGT, Maserati GT, Bentley Brooklands and Aston Rapide. The Aston got close just because it's a V12 and it is beautiful to look at, but to drive vs an FF, the FF feels like its from a whole different generation.
The steering is super fast, as it is on all modern Ferraris, and that is an acquired taste, but all I can say is if you drive one, be prepared to want it. A V12 revving out to almost 8k revs is a sound that I'm sure we're not going to hear forever. Rumour has it that the FF facelift in 2017 will be a TT V8. Get one while you can....
The FF has really grown on me. I was massively underwhelmed when I first saw it - as I'm sure many people where. But over time and after a long road trip in one - they just work. They are as practical as V12 4 seater car can be! But I've been told that the FF is a cup-de-sac for Ferrari - not sure if that's four wheel drive or the design. So get you V12 4 WD Ferrari whilst you can - or is replaced with TT-V8.....
Anjum said:
The FF has really grown on me. I was massively underwhelmed when I first saw it - as I'm sure many people where. But over time and after a long road trip in one - they just work. They are as practical as V12 4 seater car can be! But I've been told that the FF is a cup-de-sac for Ferrari - not sure if that's four wheel drive or the design. So get you V12 4 WD Ferrari whilst you can - or is replaced with TT-V8.....
Fancying Changing your CL65 for one? 
Evening chaps, serial German car owner here. Last time I had an Italian car it was a Maserati Granturismo S and I hated it. I'm looking at an FF tomorrow and will potentially chop my AMG GT in for it.
It will be my daily driver and on first glance, they seem a fair bit 'prehistoric' technologically compared to the Germans, at least in terms of the interfaces one uses on a daily basis. Nothing I shouldn't be able to live with but it will be interesting how it measures up to an über modern car like my GT.
I suspect all concerns about such minor things will disappear once I experience that V12, and it does seem to have a fabulous interior. I wonder how it'll feel on the road - I suspect it'll feel a lot more refined, softer and heavier than I'm used to. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.
My reason for posting is the comments about residuals, because there's clearly two schools of thought around this. Firstly, my tight budget constrains me to no more than the very cheapest examples (c. £150k) but they do seem to have stuck at that price for a while. Some people think they're still going to tank (using 456 and 612 as examples), others, like some of the posts above, suggest it's great buy at this price and may even go up?
I have no expectations or illusions that it will go up in value, but likewise I don't want to lose £40k in a few months! How susceptible do we think a car at the bottom of the market is to dropping considerably from this point? I kind of thought there always needs to be a market for things like the California beneath it and guess dealers that are selling them for £150k ish probably paid £135k for the car.....that kind of loss (plus a bit) I can live with.
All that aside, are these really a viable option to use on a daily basis. I assume Ferrari's are just as reliable as anything else these days?
And finally, the driving position. Sitting in one in the showroom, it does seem to have quite a long arms position. Does anyone else feel this, or is because I'm coming out of a car with an almost perfect straight legged, bent arms position? Or....I've just got short arms
It will be my daily driver and on first glance, they seem a fair bit 'prehistoric' technologically compared to the Germans, at least in terms of the interfaces one uses on a daily basis. Nothing I shouldn't be able to live with but it will be interesting how it measures up to an über modern car like my GT.
I suspect all concerns about such minor things will disappear once I experience that V12, and it does seem to have a fabulous interior. I wonder how it'll feel on the road - I suspect it'll feel a lot more refined, softer and heavier than I'm used to. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.
My reason for posting is the comments about residuals, because there's clearly two schools of thought around this. Firstly, my tight budget constrains me to no more than the very cheapest examples (c. £150k) but they do seem to have stuck at that price for a while. Some people think they're still going to tank (using 456 and 612 as examples), others, like some of the posts above, suggest it's great buy at this price and may even go up?
I have no expectations or illusions that it will go up in value, but likewise I don't want to lose £40k in a few months! How susceptible do we think a car at the bottom of the market is to dropping considerably from this point? I kind of thought there always needs to be a market for things like the California beneath it and guess dealers that are selling them for £150k ish probably paid £135k for the car.....that kind of loss (plus a bit) I can live with.
All that aside, are these really a viable option to use on a daily basis. I assume Ferrari's are just as reliable as anything else these days?
And finally, the driving position. Sitting in one in the showroom, it does seem to have quite a long arms position. Does anyone else feel this, or is because I'm coming out of a car with an almost perfect straight legged, bent arms position? Or....I've just got short arms
I use mine daily, all weathers airport, station, weekends away with the family. Done around 10k in 18 months and it's solid. Sure the hi if interface / nav isn't great (the 14 year cars and later with car play are better but not hugely). But t all weeks and frankly you just don't use it - plug the phone in and you can make or receive calls and play music like any other car.
You could easily upgrade the Nav / hifi if you really wanted to,but there's not much point. The stock hi power hifi is good enough. The interior is fantastic - try and get a car with the carbon interior pack, led steering wheel carbon paddles etc - I think it is a big contrast to the stock alloy ones.
You don't need the front end lift unless you have a 45drgree drive / the ground clearance is just fine. The only upgrade worth considering outside of stock is a Capristo exhaust to really unleash the sound.
Most child seats fit (including rear facing baby seats)..
It's an incredible piece of kit and at 150-165 for a 2012 a great option. Mileage isn't an issue - there are cars with over 100k miles already out there.
Value wise it will still lose money. However it's a better car than a 612 in every way / but some will covet the 612 shape vs the breadvan.
I'd work on the basis that you'll lose 1k a month in depreciation over 2 years on a 150k car. Can't see them going much lower than 120k for good ones in the next 2-3 years though. It could well be less, but nine of us have crystal balls...
The new FF 'M' will be released in 20-6 at Geneva. It's pretty much confirmed there will be a v12 alongside a v8TT. With the relatively low production numbers and likely large percentage of overseas buyers opting for the v8 for tax reasons then v12 FFs will be relatively rare beasts. It's likely this will be the last n\a v12 4 seater. The replacement is more than likely to be a hybrid - and possibly a v/12 v8 turbo hybrid. We'll have to wait and see but it's pretty likely this is the last 4 seat n\a get car Ferrarinwill make. Appreciation is unlikely in the short term, but buy well and keep it 10 years and you'll probably have enjoyed one of the best all round cars ever produced for little loss...
You could easily upgrade the Nav / hifi if you really wanted to,but there's not much point. The stock hi power hifi is good enough. The interior is fantastic - try and get a car with the carbon interior pack, led steering wheel carbon paddles etc - I think it is a big contrast to the stock alloy ones.
You don't need the front end lift unless you have a 45drgree drive / the ground clearance is just fine. The only upgrade worth considering outside of stock is a Capristo exhaust to really unleash the sound.
Most child seats fit (including rear facing baby seats)..
It's an incredible piece of kit and at 150-165 for a 2012 a great option. Mileage isn't an issue - there are cars with over 100k miles already out there.
Value wise it will still lose money. However it's a better car than a 612 in every way / but some will covet the 612 shape vs the breadvan.
I'd work on the basis that you'll lose 1k a month in depreciation over 2 years on a 150k car. Can't see them going much lower than 120k for good ones in the next 2-3 years though. It could well be less, but nine of us have crystal balls...
The new FF 'M' will be released in 20-6 at Geneva. It's pretty much confirmed there will be a v12 alongside a v8TT. With the relatively low production numbers and likely large percentage of overseas buyers opting for the v8 for tax reasons then v12 FFs will be relatively rare beasts. It's likely this will be the last n\a v12 4 seater. The replacement is more than likely to be a hybrid - and possibly a v/12 v8 turbo hybrid. We'll have to wait and see but it's pretty likely this is the last 4 seat n\a get car Ferrarinwill make. Appreciation is unlikely in the short term, but buy well and keep it 10 years and you'll probably have enjoyed one of the best all round cars ever produced for little loss...
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