Your Thoughts on This PPI on a 599 GTB
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Hello All
Potentially close to completing a deal on my first Ferrari, so exciting (and sometimes stressful) times.
Would anyone in the know be able to chime in on their thoughts on this PPI on a 2007 599GTB? Car has 8000miles/13000kms from new, Full Ferrari Service History every year, and looks bone stock to me.
Spoke to the Service Manager at the official dealer who did the PPI, and he reckons all that was highlighted are common issues with the 599, but as always, Its always nice to hear a second opinion for what its worth, so any opinions much appreciated
Thank you
Potentially close to completing a deal on my first Ferrari, so exciting (and sometimes stressful) times.
Would anyone in the know be able to chime in on their thoughts on this PPI on a 2007 599GTB? Car has 8000miles/13000kms from new, Full Ferrari Service History every year, and looks bone stock to me.
Spoke to the Service Manager at the official dealer who did the PPI, and he reckons all that was highlighted are common issues with the 599, but as always, Its always nice to hear a second opinion for what its worth, so any opinions much appreciated
Thank you
I don't like there only being one key (and where is the card with the key codes?), there's also no charger. These items might sound cosmetic but if they're missing what else isn't right?
Sorry, if the dealer is saying it's part and parcel of ownership, I don't agree. You could eat your breakfast off my cars. All keys, books, service invoices etc.
I would wait for a perfect example, especially as it's your first.
Sorry, if the dealer is saying it's part and parcel of ownership, I don't agree. You could eat your breakfast off my cars. All keys, books, service invoices etc.
I would wait for a perfect example, especially as it's your first.
Hiya - just my thoughts but I don't see anything too unusual there. Old tyres reflect the low mileage, diff noise most likely sorted by an oil change - probably never been done, missing charger explains the damaged door seal and sill damage - backed out the garage with the charger still attached 
Camlet said:
I don't like there only being one key (and where is the card with the key codes?), there's also no charger. These items might sound cosmetic but if they're missing what else isn't right?
Sorry, if the dealer is saying it's part and parcel of ownership, I don't agree. You could eat your breakfast off my cars. All keys, books, service invoices etc.
I would wait for a perfect example, especially as it's your first.
Camlet is 100 per cent right. It's your first Ferrari. Don't take any chances. You say it's been a stressful experience, but it won't be if you wait for the right car. You'll have no niggling doubts, only excitement and anticipation, which is exactly how it should be. Good luck. The 599 is a tremendous car. Sorry, if the dealer is saying it's part and parcel of ownership, I don't agree. You could eat your breakfast off my cars. All keys, books, service invoices etc.
I would wait for a perfect example, especially as it's your first.
The points on caution are correct but IMO none of the issues listed (properly investigated) would make this a bad car and so long as they are reflected in the price then I can't see the problem, especially if using these to beat them down in price makes it affordable to you. Depends on the OP I guess but I find that part of the never-ending Ferrari journey is getting and keeping the car just right. Parts wear, things break - it's a 10 year old car. Sounds like it just needs a good home.
thecook101 said:
Hiya - just my thoughts but I don't see anything too unusual there. Old tyres reflect the low mileage, diff noise most likely sorted by an oil change - probably never been done, missing charger explains the damaged door seal and sill damage - backed out the garage with the charger still attached
My 458 wouldn't start with the charger attached, are they not all like that? Notwithstanding that covers and chargers often "go missing" on the trade-in back to the dealer.One key would worry me, as well.
I'm also not personally comfortable with 10 year old tyres on a performance car like this. Do others here run tyres that old?
Edited by Durzel on Friday 20th January 19:17
Durzel said:
thecook101 said:
Hiya - just my thoughts but I don't see anything too unusual there. Old tyres reflect the low mileage, diff noise most likely sorted by an oil change - probably never been done, missing charger explains the damaged door seal and sill damage - backed out the garage with the charger still attached
My 458 wouldn't start with the charger attached, are they not all like that? Notwithstanding that covers and chargers often "go missing" on the trade-in back to the dealer.One key would worry me, as well.
I'm also not personally comfortable with 10 year old tyres on a performance car like this. Do others here run tyres that old?
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 20th January 19:17
. Re 10 year old tyres, definitely change them, I just meant not something to put you off the car. JKay said:
Camlet said:
I don't like there only being one key (and where is the card with the key codes?),
Hi thanks. They said they'd include a second key as part of the sale, but whats this card? Is it essential for the car? Shows my ignorance!!Each new modern car comes with a credit card sized plastic card which contains two codes. An electronic code and mechanical code. You're instructed by Ferrari to keep the card separate, and safe. The codes must be available from the factory without the card (with proof of ownership) but if the card is absent, it is a problem for me. Someone has it and the reason Ferrari tell you to keep it separate and safe is because another key can be programmed and the car is then not secure.
OK, it's a stretch and if you were paying 10K for a car, it is what it is. But if you're paying the sort of money required to purchase a 599 GTB (which I ran for several years and was a great car), I would want the card. Or at least ask a well known Ferrari dealer for advice.
Per the trickle charger, replacements are easily available but it is essential. My GTB's electrics became very unhappy without being fully charged. If the car is run every day, fine. But if not,a trickle charger is vital.
Last but not least, if you buy it might be worth remembering an old trick. As mentioned, sometimes the GTB's electrics can get a little stroppy. It probably has more ECUs than the average spaceship so it's understandable. A few times I had to reboot the system. It's easy if you know how. In the trunk/boot, where you connect the trickle charger, is a battery off switch. If there is a gremlin turn the switch and all power is cut. Make sure you keep doors and boot open. Leave for a good 60 seconds and switch back on. The car powers up and usually clears all gremlins. Watch the doors when power is off because with power on the windows automatically drop as you close the door. No power, no window drop. Slam the door shut with power off and you'll likely bust the window!
Enjoy your hunt.
I don't even know where my card is .... will have to check
I get that people want all the stuff that comes with a car ala covers and chargers, but ultimately on daily driver cars s stuff can easily be lost. I still have my trickle charger but only because I never took it out of the car, I think I only used it once so might as well have left it somewhere in the house. i dont have one seat cover anymore because I used it to cover the seat when my dog was in it, now it is torn. I have no clue where the car cover is as I never used it.
Does the above mean I dont warm up my engine, service the car on the dot or treat is with mechanical sympahty - certainly not and it is entirely unrelated imo. Having said that I treat it like a car, not like some work of art - I also drive it 20k plus km per year, which most ferrari owners seem to see as sacrilege.
The tip with disconnecting the battery is a very good one - on both ferraris I owned that was my staple move to get the various warning lights to clear - had to do that a lot, they like throwing hissy fits
I would have them change the tyres before ever driving the car - would be rather unfortunate if you crash it straight after pick up.
I think the play in the ball joints is a regular occurence, from memory they have to be replaced on a relatively regular basis. Am sure an owner can comment on cost
I get that people want all the stuff that comes with a car ala covers and chargers, but ultimately on daily driver cars s stuff can easily be lost. I still have my trickle charger but only because I never took it out of the car, I think I only used it once so might as well have left it somewhere in the house. i dont have one seat cover anymore because I used it to cover the seat when my dog was in it, now it is torn. I have no clue where the car cover is as I never used it.
Does the above mean I dont warm up my engine, service the car on the dot or treat is with mechanical sympahty - certainly not and it is entirely unrelated imo. Having said that I treat it like a car, not like some work of art - I also drive it 20k plus km per year, which most ferrari owners seem to see as sacrilege.
The tip with disconnecting the battery is a very good one - on both ferraris I owned that was my staple move to get the various warning lights to clear - had to do that a lot, they like throwing hissy fits
I would have them change the tyres before ever driving the car - would be rather unfortunate if you crash it straight after pick up.
I think the play in the ball joints is a regular occurence, from memory they have to be replaced on a relatively regular basis. Am sure an owner can comment on cost
Yipper said:
You could be looking at spanking an extra £2-6k to get that list fixed if you have OCD and want it spick and span. The key and code are a potential security breach and something that may rankle at the back of the mind. Use those factors to knock down the price.
Yes definitely new tyres and diff oil thrown at the very least I reckon JKay said:
Yipper said:
You could be looking at spanking an extra £2-6k to get that list fixed if you have OCD and want it spick and span. The key and code are a potential security breach and something that may rankle at the back of the mind. Use those factors to knock down the price.
Yes definitely new tyres and diff oil thrown at the very least I reckon Re the diff oil I'd be asking why the oil change has not been done IIRC it's part of every 2 Year service so should have been changed a number of times for the correct fluid. Is the maintenance record genuine? did the PPI dealer check Modis to confirm?
The only things I'd be prepared to let slide on that list are
- puncture repair kit
- door strikers
- charger
Ball joints/suspension and noises from the dash would need a bit more discussion...the former is probably part and parcel of ownership (and/or the lack of mileage - low miles like this on a 10yr old car are NOT and advantage!) and may not need any work for a while. The latter may or may not be a problem for you.
The rest I would want them to sort. Any price advantage on the car would then cover the risk that other things haven't been dealt with by the last owner in the same way the rest on the list haven't (ie them fixing this stuff would not then be a good argument for raising the sell price...).
- puncture repair kit
- door strikers
- charger
Ball joints/suspension and noises from the dash would need a bit more discussion...the former is probably part and parcel of ownership (and/or the lack of mileage - low miles like this on a 10yr old car are NOT and advantage!) and may not need any work for a while. The latter may or may not be a problem for you.
The rest I would want them to sort. Any price advantage on the car would then cover the risk that other things haven't been dealt with by the last owner in the same way the rest on the list haven't (ie them fixing this stuff would not then be a good argument for raising the sell price...).
F355GTS said:
Re the diff oil I'd be asking why the oil change has not been done IIRC it's part of every 2 Year service so should have been changed a number of times for the correct fluid. Is the maintenance record genuine? did the PPI dealer check Modis to confirm?
Im not actually in the UK and unfortunately Official dealers here operate independently of each other I am told. I have also been told that dealers can't release any information to me about the car unless Im the registered owner which is frustrating.
Its been serviced all its life at Official Dealer A, and has had its most recent service (Plus PPI) carried out at dealer B 2 weeks ago in another part of the country. Dealer B only released information about the car to me after the seller (an independent luxury car dealer) gave them the green light. Hope that makes sense
Murph7355 said:
The only things I'd be prepared to let slide on that list are
- puncture repair kit
- door strikers
- charger
Ball joints/suspension and noises from the dash would need a bit more discussion...the former is probably part and parcel of ownership (and/or the lack of mileage - low miles like this on a 10yr old car are NOT and advantage!) and may not need any work for a while. The latter may or may not be a problem for you.
The rest I would want them to sort. Any price advantage on the car would then cover the risk that other things haven't been dealt with by the last owner in the same way the rest on the list haven't (ie them fixing this stuff would not then be a good argument for raising the sell price...).
Agreed. I made an offer before seeing the PPI and we agreed on a number, but said my offer is only subject to a full and satisfactory PPI. Now that the PPI has brought up some flags I am going to have another chat to them tomorrow to see what they're going to do in light of the issues brought to light by the PPI- puncture repair kit
- door strikers
- charger
Ball joints/suspension and noises from the dash would need a bit more discussion...the former is probably part and parcel of ownership (and/or the lack of mileage - low miles like this on a 10yr old car are NOT and advantage!) and may not need any work for a while. The latter may or may not be a problem for you.
The rest I would want them to sort. Any price advantage on the car would then cover the risk that other things haven't been dealt with by the last owner in the same way the rest on the list haven't (ie them fixing this stuff would not then be a good argument for raising the sell price...).
Just make sure you're clear on what you want fixed in order to continue with the deal and be prepared to walk.
Don't listen to any "we priced that in" nonsense.
Ref not releasing data....they're talking b
ks. I've noticed car dealers say this frequently when being asked for service history, hiding behind data protection acts etc. If there's no personally identifying data on the details they supply (and there does not have to be) then there is no data protection issue. It's simply the record of work carried out against a machine. They either can't be bothered to supply the info (most likely) or don't want to (which would make me more worried). This all applies doubly so if the previous "owner" was another dealer!
As a specific example, the supplying dealer said similar to me when buying my GT. I contacted the servicing agent who emailed me a copy of all work done on the car (with any personally identifying data removed). Easy.
I'm more surprised that people who own these cars are careless with the paperwork. I can't be the only one who keeps every last shred of paper for a car? The most annoying thing about the tax disc changes in the UK was not being able to keep a nice record of them with the car
Don't listen to any "we priced that in" nonsense.
Ref not releasing data....they're talking b
ks. I've noticed car dealers say this frequently when being asked for service history, hiding behind data protection acts etc. If there's no personally identifying data on the details they supply (and there does not have to be) then there is no data protection issue. It's simply the record of work carried out against a machine. They either can't be bothered to supply the info (most likely) or don't want to (which would make me more worried). This all applies doubly so if the previous "owner" was another dealer!As a specific example, the supplying dealer said similar to me when buying my GT. I contacted the servicing agent who emailed me a copy of all work done on the car (with any personally identifying data removed). Easy.
I'm more surprised that people who own these cars are careless with the paperwork. I can't be the only one who keeps every last shred of paper for a car? The most annoying thing about the tax disc changes in the UK was not being able to keep a nice record of them with the car
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