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Its great that he bought one. I was hoping he would get there at some point!
Question is though if he will keep it now he has scratched the itch and the fact that they are appreciating quite a bit ... but for low mileage and he would have to drive it a lot to create content for his work.
He bought at the top of his budget on finance and if he puts another 10k or 20k miles it may be quite hard to sell ... unless its a forever car and money is of no consequence.
Whatever happens I am sure he will have a lot of fun with during his tenure.
Question is though if he will keep it now he has scratched the itch and the fact that they are appreciating quite a bit ... but for low mileage and he would have to drive it a lot to create content for his work.
He bought at the top of his budget on finance and if he puts another 10k or 20k miles it may be quite hard to sell ... unless its a forever car and money is of no consequence.
Whatever happens I am sure he will have a lot of fun with during his tenure.
355fiorano said:
Its great that he bought one. I was hoping he would get there at some point!
Question is though if he will keep it now he has scratched the itch and the fact that they are appreciating quite a bit ... but for low mileage and he would have to drive it a lot to create content for his work.
He bought at the top of his budget on finance and if he puts another 10k or 20k miles it may be quite hard to sell ... unless its a forever car and money is of no consequence.
Whatever happens I am sure he will have a lot of fun with during his tenure.
His high (relatively) mileage 360 Modena sold for good money, presumably because it’s history was well documented with him?Question is though if he will keep it now he has scratched the itch and the fact that they are appreciating quite a bit ... but for low mileage and he would have to drive it a lot to create content for his work.
He bought at the top of his budget on finance and if he puts another 10k or 20k miles it may be quite hard to sell ... unless its a forever car and money is of no consequence.
Whatever happens I am sure he will have a lot of fun with during his tenure.
I can see his CS being the same.
Ffffaster said:
Ffffaster said:
Yes, but what I don't understand is the delta in price between UK and EU.
Any views on whether EU cars are actually selling at these prices? Prices in EU for an identical car (acknowledge LH v RHD difference, but RHD is rarer) seem to be 50% higher?LHD demand higher prices and always have but the current gap is to be taken with a pinch of salt tbh, its a shame because some uk dealers selling lhd use the euro advertised price as a bench mark.
Another great example in marbella at a garage i know well, is the owner with a 360 ‘sunroof’ model, rare, one of 25 apparently, great condition, manual, low mileage good history etc, how much? true value 125 -135 tops, advertised at €250k
His sales guys know he has no motivation to sell it whatsoever
Edited by Kerniki on Thursday 11th January 12:41
Kerniki said:
No they’re not, been watching the same CS ads since covid, most collectables in the eu that are advertised, the owners have no intention of selling, more waiting for the market to creep up to the price they want, 512s are the same, manual Murcielagos etc, sometimes eu owners will chuck one on collecting cars and they’ll sell for market value (still higher than uk) like the recent 512tr, €155k, which was advertised at 199 in france for eons, there’s numerous other examples.
LHD demand higher prices and always have but the current gap is to be taken with a pinch of salt tbh, its a shame because some uk dealers selling lhd use the euro advertised price as a bench mark.
Another great example in marbella at a garage i know well, is the owner with a 360 ‘sunroof’ model, rare, one of 25 apparently, great condition, manual, low mileage good history etc, how much? true value 125 -135 tops, advertised at €250k
His sales guys know he has no motivation to sell it whatsoever
You have a link to the 360 Sunroof for sale? I had one years back, surely can't be 125?LHD demand higher prices and always have but the current gap is to be taken with a pinch of salt tbh, its a shame because some uk dealers selling lhd use the euro advertised price as a bench mark.
Another great example in marbella at a garage i know well, is the owner with a 360 ‘sunroof’ model, rare, one of 25 apparently, great condition, manual, low mileage good history etc, how much? true value 125 -135 tops, advertised at €250k
His sales guys know he has no motivation to sell it whatsoever
Edited by Kerniki on Thursday 11th January 12:41
Kerniki said:
LHD demand higher prices and always have but the current gap is to be taken with a pinch of salt tbh, its a shame because some uk dealers selling lhd use the euro advertised price as a bench mark.
Do you mean LHD command a higher price in Europe? They definitely don't in the UK. :-)As the owner of a LHD (with no intention of selling - I've had it 12 years) that lives in the UK I've always thought the LHDs were less valuable than the RHDs.
CS prices have definitely plateaued in the last 5 years and that I think is still the case. That is why i was so thrown by the asking prices I was on EU car sites.
Ffffaster said:
Kerniki said:
LHD demand higher prices and always have but the current gap is to be taken with a pinch of salt tbh, its a shame because some uk dealers selling lhd use the euro advertised price as a bench mark.
Do you mean LHD command a higher price in Europe? They definitely don't in the UK. :-)As the owner of a LHD (with no intention of selling - I've had it 12 years) that lives in the UK I've always thought the LHDs were less valuable than the RHDs.
CS prices have definitely plateaued in the last 5 years and that I think is still the case. That is why i was so thrown by the asking prices I was on EU car sites.
Years ago, purchasing lhd euro models in the uk ‘was’ a great depreciation buster because euro car prices didnt plumet like the uk market so they often got imported back into european mainland, though their prices held well in uk, they were still far lower than mainland.
Years ago, euro C5 & C6 vettes, (not usa imports but euro models) intégrales, e30 m3s were so much cheaper in uk, I spent a few years buying them up and selling again on the cote d’azur, 7-10k for the evo 2s, 18k on the coast. brilliant fun driving them back through europe
Last couple of years though ive seen lhd collectables dropping vs their rhd counterparts in uk as theres import tax on them into eu, kills their desirability..
Usa demand for them at 25 years old though is another trigger to watch for uk lhd examples as import tax after 25 years is next to nothing, also models that were never allowed to be sold in usa (r34 skyline), after the car reaches 205 years old, you can import them under another rule… ive bought up a few 1st of model that are 23 years old currently, at 24 years 6 months old i’ll put some adverts up in the states.
Edited by Kerniki on Thursday 11th January 19:28
Not sure if it’s been talked about?
Seen a few YouTube vids of people putting a manual gearbox conversion into the 360 CS, I know of at least 3 have been converted. Apparently makes it a better drivers car,
I can’t help think, to me it will make the values worse than a std car, so why do it?
I will never be in the position to afford one, so it’s hypothetical really, just wondering what people think.
Seen a few YouTube vids of people putting a manual gearbox conversion into the 360 CS, I know of at least 3 have been converted. Apparently makes it a better drivers car,
I can’t help think, to me it will make the values worse than a std car, so why do it?
I will never be in the position to afford one, so it’s hypothetical really, just wondering what people think.
My thought is it’s a (relatively) common car, ie it’s not a one of three piece of historical importance (if cars even can be-discuss!).
So it’s your car, do with it as you please.
It’s certainly better than owning one and putting it in the barrier and writing it off!
Would it devalue it? Only to someone who specifically wants a standard car and you’d imagine folk would keep all the original parts so it could be reversed.
Would I want one? I’m not so sure.
I owned a M3 CSL and after selling it because I missed a manual I considered getting another and doing one of the early manual swaps but decided against it. Mainly because it took something away from what it was and the M3 manual wasn’t exactly a great manual in my opinion.
I do however think anyone who goes down the manual swap route (for either car) is probably doing so for the right reasons so good in them.
Take my own car, a relatively rare 996 GT3 Clubsport. There are many who’d be horrified that mine has been massively altered from factory;
Manthey 3.9 engine conversion,
Manthey cup gearbox, diff and final drive
JRZ Cup suspension
Cup aero etc
Carpets removed
The list goes on!
Is it ever going to win a little cup at a Porsche show for originality? It’d probably be more likely to be kicked out to the visitor car park
But I love it more than a 5k mile mint original.
TL;DR
Horses for courses.
So it’s your car, do with it as you please.
It’s certainly better than owning one and putting it in the barrier and writing it off!
Would it devalue it? Only to someone who specifically wants a standard car and you’d imagine folk would keep all the original parts so it could be reversed.
Would I want one? I’m not so sure.
I owned a M3 CSL and after selling it because I missed a manual I considered getting another and doing one of the early manual swaps but decided against it. Mainly because it took something away from what it was and the M3 manual wasn’t exactly a great manual in my opinion.
I do however think anyone who goes down the manual swap route (for either car) is probably doing so for the right reasons so good in them.
Take my own car, a relatively rare 996 GT3 Clubsport. There are many who’d be horrified that mine has been massively altered from factory;
Manthey 3.9 engine conversion,
Manthey cup gearbox, diff and final drive
JRZ Cup suspension
Cup aero etc
Carpets removed
The list goes on!
Is it ever going to win a little cup at a Porsche show for originality? It’d probably be more likely to be kicked out to the visitor car park
But I love it more than a 5k mile mint original.
TL;DR
Horses for courses.
mdk1 said:
Not sure if it’s been talked about?
Seen a few YouTube vids of people putting a manual gearbox conversion into the 360 CS, I know of at least 3 have been converted. Apparently makes it a better drivers car,
I can’t help think, to me it will make the values worse than a std car, so why do it?
I will never be in the position to afford one, so it’s hypothetical really, just wondering what people think.
It doesn't make much sense to me but to each their own.Seen a few YouTube vids of people putting a manual gearbox conversion into the 360 CS, I know of at least 3 have been converted. Apparently makes it a better drivers car,
I can’t help think, to me it will make the values worse than a std car, so why do it?
I will never be in the position to afford one, so it’s hypothetical really, just wondering what people think.
If you want a better 'drivers car', whatever that means, and like the V8 specials then buy a Scuderia or a Speciale. If you just want a better drivers car full stop then buy an Elise.
The F1 gearbox adds to the character of the car IMO; it doesn't detract from it.
tomtom said:
It doesn't make much sense to me but to each their own.
If you want a better 'drivers car', whatever that means, and like the V8 specials then buy a Scuderia or a Speciale. If you just want a better drivers car full stop then buy an Elise.
The F1 gearbox adds to the character of the car IMO; it doesn't detract from it.
I am a massive Lotus fan boy don’t get me wrong! But can they really be compared to a Ferrari? Cool if they can and different people like different things.If you want a better 'drivers car', whatever that means, and like the V8 specials then buy a Scuderia or a Speciale. If you just want a better drivers car full stop then buy an Elise.
The F1 gearbox adds to the character of the car IMO; it doesn't detract from it.
Just to put this in context I am not a fan of F1 boxes amd much prefer manuals. Having said that, I don’t know if I would do it on mine but one day maybe.
I had a ride in one on the passenger side and it was not much different but it’s really the driver that gets the benefit. I was told it’s reversible but it’s 20k + for the kit and conversion and then quite a bit of labour to turn it back for sale or if you don’t like it anymore so not a fleeting choice for most pockets unless you are convinced you would keep it, and possibly sell it with all the original bits. If you did that I was think a buyer could pay a premium (minus the reversal cost or not) especially if that’s what they want … albeit would be a smaller buyer pool.
I had a ride in one on the passenger side and it was not much different but it’s really the driver that gets the benefit. I was told it’s reversible but it’s 20k + for the kit and conversion and then quite a bit of labour to turn it back for sale or if you don’t like it anymore so not a fleeting choice for most pockets unless you are convinced you would keep it, and possibly sell it with all the original bits. If you did that I was think a buyer could pay a premium (minus the reversal cost or not) especially if that’s what they want … albeit would be a smaller buyer pool.
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