Challenge Stradale thread
Discussion
AdvocatusD said:
I think this car was imported from Japan so much harder to track and check service history.Also the car looks wrong. Seat, mirrors and the exhaust tips.
100% a story with this car what it is I am not sure. just IMHO.
I haven't seen the car but have been thinking about another CS
James
Quick question folks, does anyone know if the VIN numbers on Ferraris are serial? As I think my 2003 car (ZFFDT57B000132336) might be the first Challange Stradale built.
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132336 - First Challenge Stradale
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132337 - Challenge Stradale Built for Jean Todt
Can anyone confirm?
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132336 - First Challenge Stradale
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132337 - Challenge Stradale Built for Jean Todt
Can anyone confirm?
A fairly definitive thread in the US suggests the first 360CS was 131569 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/138711447-post102...
The register does not have one earlier than yours though
The register does not have one earlier than yours though
johnnyreggae said:
A fairly definitive thread in the US suggests the first 360CS was 131569 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/138711447-post102...
The register does not have one earlier than yours though
Thanks, have posted there, wouldn't make sense for it to be that early.The register does not have one earlier than yours though
SteelySteve said:
Quick question folks, does anyone know if the VIN numbers on Ferraris are serial? As I think my 2003 car (ZFFDT57B000132336) might be the first Challange Stradale built.
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132336 - First Challenge Stradale
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132337 - Challenge Stradale Built for Jean Todt
Can anyone confirm?
The earliest Challenge Stradale is 131569 - it was shown at the Geneva show - Blue Tour de France with nero interiorVIN: ZFFDT57B000132336 - First Challenge Stradale
VIN: ZFFDT57B000132337 - Challenge Stradale Built for Jean Todt
Can anyone confirm?
131996 was also shown at Geneva, Rosso Scuderia, stripe, nero and red interior.
Assuming VIN order matches production sequence the details I have are:
132336 is number 6! (Rosso Scuderia, no stripe, Beige leather racing seats and then replaced for Nero Sparco racing seats - ex Ferrari media car) - I see you have the Beige leather seats again from the pictures of your car, I have no idea when the seats where changed but it is recorded in the Ferrari Register.
Jean Todt's CS is number 7.
Edited by Russell996 on Tuesday 12th August 12:19
So... Just thought I'd sound this thread out on this...
I've always wanted a CS (think they are bite the back of your hand stunning) and have finally found one, just working out the finer details of the deal. I've just put my amazing GT3 up for sale (cant keep both am afraid) - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
GT3 is a truly epic drivers car, but just doesn't have that same level of theatre or soul as the red cars do...
Please tell me it's a leap of faith in the right direction!!?? I drove the car I'm doing the deal on last weekend and it was 'laugh out loud' amazing fun and great to drive (do think it is a true drivers car). I've owned 3 Ferraris before and they were relatively pain free and really enjoyable times, I just have this sensible demon on my left should saying 'seriously???? sell the GT3?????' - or maybe that's what comes with being with Ze Germans for a while...?
I've always wanted a CS (think they are bite the back of your hand stunning) and have finally found one, just working out the finer details of the deal. I've just put my amazing GT3 up for sale (cant keep both am afraid) - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
GT3 is a truly epic drivers car, but just doesn't have that same level of theatre or soul as the red cars do...
Please tell me it's a leap of faith in the right direction!!?? I drove the car I'm doing the deal on last weekend and it was 'laugh out loud' amazing fun and great to drive (do think it is a true drivers car). I've owned 3 Ferraris before and they were relatively pain free and really enjoyable times, I just have this sensible demon on my left should saying 'seriously???? sell the GT3?????' - or maybe that's what comes with being with Ze Germans for a while...?
http://www.challenge-stradale.com/134393.html
It's a lhd that looks as though was imported for sale here, looks like I sold mine too cheap at the new asking price.
It's a lhd that looks as though was imported for sale here, looks like I sold mine too cheap at the new asking price.
worth reading this post from advocatus on CS and GT3.
Advocatus said:
Well, for me they're like chalk and cheese.
If you look past the 3.5 – 4 inch ground clearance, the GT3 is a surprisingly friendly car. I don’t think twice about popping down to the shops in it and long journeys are a breeze. The cabin is quiet and my car has car climate control, bucket seats, upgraded sound and speakers, satnav, the works – essentially if you aren’t doing 5500 RPM plus, you’d be forgiven for wondering what all the shouting about this “hardcore” “race car for the road” etc is all about. My wife has fallen asleep in it (the highest of praise! smile) Everything just works. You fill it with gas, shut the cap and forget about it. I never look at the dials and gauges because I have no reason to do so. Obviously, it’s not an RR so take what I am saying in the relative manner I mean it.
But that isn’t what you buy this car for. It’s easy to live with, which is what someone like me is doing 90% of the time. The 10% of the time when you are pushing hard, that’s where the extra £££ you pay about a boggo 911 comes in. This car is epic, the star of the show is the engine, with the body control not far behind. The enduring memory I have off driving the GT3 is the way it piles the speed on - it’s a never ending, visceral experience. The sounds are amazing too, but they are secondary to the speedo charging on. I have never driven a more confidence inspiring car. I like to take my foot off the pedal when going into a corner, balance the car and the push gently through the throttle as I pass the apex. The car just leans into the bend, and the engine just starts building momentum as does the car. The closest thing I can describe accelerating through a bend is to skiing, the way you feel the pressure on your outside ski and that lift as you hit the sweet spot and start moving quickly out the turn.
The Ferrari is difficult to live with if you are uncharitable about it. It’s not quiet in the cabin and every stone of the road surface can be heard as it pings off the undercarriage or the wheel arches (not the case in the Porsche comparatively). It’s not the end of the world, but suffice to say I have thought about some more carpets (yes, shoot the fool, blah, blah I heard! smile). I also worry a little more about it, when the Porsche just works. Then again, I have had the Porsche a year and the Ferrari 1/10 of that time. The Porsche has earned my trust and confidence but I am still learning about the Ferrari. Little things like the lack of a glove box can be irritating over a long journey too.
Again, that isn’t what a CS is about. When you floor the go pedal, it really does leap forward like a scalded cat screeching across tarmac, when I think the Porsche is more like gorilla sticking its chest out and then barreling down a straight just mowing down the road. The noise has been discussed before, and when you push on hard all you can think about is the noise, the noise, the noise and that gear change. It’s annoying at low speeds but if you want to feel like something is happening it does not disappoint! I haven’t pushed it hard enough to talk about it’s behavior but the driving style required to get the best out of it does feel different from the Porsche.I suspect it's a little more point and squirt? Maybe someone more knowledgeable will be along. It’s just a really different experience on almost every level.
Of course, where these cars are meant to be is at the track. Sadly, (for me) I don’t track my cars. I’d rather go on tour in the Alps, Wales and Scotland. I’ve just taken a tour of Wales (organised thing) and the GT3 was amazing. I understand that someone chasing the car (I say the car, because I possess a modest talent and I am no Stirling Moss) actually ending up going off trying to follow the lines the Porsche could take. So, I won’t be tracking either car (and they haven't been under previous owners if they are to believed) because I think it’s a little more likely to end up in a prang and I think they’ll be so good at it, I’ll never stop and that will bankrupt me!
So, in summary the Ferrari is an intense experience and that is it’s character pretty much all the time. The Porsche is a pussy cat or a tiger, you get to choose. Yes, to actually answer the questions they can't be that different as they are both following the same ethos, but when you live with them, they really have so little in common other than the underlying theme. The deliver power differently, sound different and they feel different in corners too.
I wish I could keep both, but it looks like I will be letting one go soon. They’re both immaculate and they’re both amazing cars, but the CS is more likely to keep it’s value so I am leaning towards keeping it even though I think that the GT3 is the “superior” machine. No surprise really, it is a younger car and the Ferrari goes back to 1999. I think I could get a comparable GT3 if I let mine go, but I was looking for 8 months before my CS arrived.
Sorry, I’ve kind of prattled on and on.
If you look past the 3.5 – 4 inch ground clearance, the GT3 is a surprisingly friendly car. I don’t think twice about popping down to the shops in it and long journeys are a breeze. The cabin is quiet and my car has car climate control, bucket seats, upgraded sound and speakers, satnav, the works – essentially if you aren’t doing 5500 RPM plus, you’d be forgiven for wondering what all the shouting about this “hardcore” “race car for the road” etc is all about. My wife has fallen asleep in it (the highest of praise! smile) Everything just works. You fill it with gas, shut the cap and forget about it. I never look at the dials and gauges because I have no reason to do so. Obviously, it’s not an RR so take what I am saying in the relative manner I mean it.
But that isn’t what you buy this car for. It’s easy to live with, which is what someone like me is doing 90% of the time. The 10% of the time when you are pushing hard, that’s where the extra £££ you pay about a boggo 911 comes in. This car is epic, the star of the show is the engine, with the body control not far behind. The enduring memory I have off driving the GT3 is the way it piles the speed on - it’s a never ending, visceral experience. The sounds are amazing too, but they are secondary to the speedo charging on. I have never driven a more confidence inspiring car. I like to take my foot off the pedal when going into a corner, balance the car and the push gently through the throttle as I pass the apex. The car just leans into the bend, and the engine just starts building momentum as does the car. The closest thing I can describe accelerating through a bend is to skiing, the way you feel the pressure on your outside ski and that lift as you hit the sweet spot and start moving quickly out the turn.
The Ferrari is difficult to live with if you are uncharitable about it. It’s not quiet in the cabin and every stone of the road surface can be heard as it pings off the undercarriage or the wheel arches (not the case in the Porsche comparatively). It’s not the end of the world, but suffice to say I have thought about some more carpets (yes, shoot the fool, blah, blah I heard! smile). I also worry a little more about it, when the Porsche just works. Then again, I have had the Porsche a year and the Ferrari 1/10 of that time. The Porsche has earned my trust and confidence but I am still learning about the Ferrari. Little things like the lack of a glove box can be irritating over a long journey too.
Again, that isn’t what a CS is about. When you floor the go pedal, it really does leap forward like a scalded cat screeching across tarmac, when I think the Porsche is more like gorilla sticking its chest out and then barreling down a straight just mowing down the road. The noise has been discussed before, and when you push on hard all you can think about is the noise, the noise, the noise and that gear change. It’s annoying at low speeds but if you want to feel like something is happening it does not disappoint! I haven’t pushed it hard enough to talk about it’s behavior but the driving style required to get the best out of it does feel different from the Porsche.I suspect it's a little more point and squirt? Maybe someone more knowledgeable will be along. It’s just a really different experience on almost every level.
Of course, where these cars are meant to be is at the track. Sadly, (for me) I don’t track my cars. I’d rather go on tour in the Alps, Wales and Scotland. I’ve just taken a tour of Wales (organised thing) and the GT3 was amazing. I understand that someone chasing the car (I say the car, because I possess a modest talent and I am no Stirling Moss) actually ending up going off trying to follow the lines the Porsche could take. So, I won’t be tracking either car (and they haven't been under previous owners if they are to believed) because I think it’s a little more likely to end up in a prang and I think they’ll be so good at it, I’ll never stop and that will bankrupt me!
So, in summary the Ferrari is an intense experience and that is it’s character pretty much all the time. The Porsche is a pussy cat or a tiger, you get to choose. Yes, to actually answer the questions they can't be that different as they are both following the same ethos, but when you live with them, they really have so little in common other than the underlying theme. The deliver power differently, sound different and they feel different in corners too.
I wish I could keep both, but it looks like I will be letting one go soon. They’re both immaculate and they’re both amazing cars, but the CS is more likely to keep it’s value so I am leaning towards keeping it even though I think that the GT3 is the “superior” machine. No surprise really, it is a younger car and the Ferrari goes back to 1999. I think I could get a comparable GT3 if I let mine go, but I was looking for 8 months before my CS arrived.
Sorry, I’ve kind of prattled on and on.
gt500nick said:
http://www.challenge-stradale.com/134393.html
It's a lhd that looks as though was imported for sale here, looks like I sold mine too cheap at the new asking price.
This car is blue, the car in the ad is a different colour? Did you mean to post this link?It's a lhd that looks as though was imported for sale here, looks like I sold mine too cheap at the new asking price.
Ffffaster said:
gt500nick said:
http://www.challenge-stradale.com/134393.html
It's a lhd that looks as though was imported for sale here, looks like I sold mine too cheap at the new asking price.
This car is blue, the car in the ad is a different colour? Did you mean to post this link?It's a lhd that looks as though was imported for sale here, looks like I sold mine too cheap at the new asking price.
since then dick lovett has changed the website and now when you click the link in the piston heads add it takes you to the site but not the advert. and on his site there is a different cs for sale. millage and price are different as is colour yes.
Ffffaster said:
worth reading this post from advocatus on CS and GT3.
Brilliant write up and many thanks for the reference. Kind of what I was thinking, I am looking for that Sunday spectacular and less for something for the wife to fall asleep in (done that and agree GT3 can do both easily). For me also I just think the CS is stunning to behold from any angle....Advocatus said:
Well, for me they're like chalk and cheese.
If you look past the 3.5 – 4 inch ground clearance, the GT3 is a surprisingly friendly car. I don’t think twice about popping down to the shops in it and long journeys are a breeze. The cabin is quiet and my car has car climate control, bucket seats, upgraded sound and speakers, satnav, the works – essentially if you aren’t doing 5500 RPM plus, you’d be forgiven for wondering what all the shouting about this “hardcore” “race car for the road” etc is all about. My wife has fallen asleep in it (the highest of praise! smile) Everything just works. You fill it with gas, shut the cap and forget about it. I never look at the dials and gauges because I have no reason to do so. Obviously, it’s not an RR so take what I am saying in the relative manner I mean it.
But that isn’t what you buy this car for. It’s easy to live with, which is what someone like me is doing 90% of the time. The 10% of the time when you are pushing hard, that’s where the extra £££ you pay about a boggo 911 comes in. This car is epic, the star of the show is the engine, with the body control not far behind. The enduring memory I have off driving the GT3 is the way it piles the speed on - it’s a never ending, visceral experience. The sounds are amazing too, but they are secondary to the speedo charging on. I have never driven a more confidence inspiring car. I like to take my foot off the pedal when going into a corner, balance the car and the push gently through the throttle as I pass the apex. The car just leans into the bend, and the engine just starts building momentum as does the car. The closest thing I can describe accelerating through a bend is to skiing, the way you feel the pressure on your outside ski and that lift as you hit the sweet spot and start moving quickly out the turn.
The Ferrari is difficult to live with if you are uncharitable about it. It’s not quiet in the cabin and every stone of the road surface can be heard as it pings off the undercarriage or the wheel arches (not the case in the Porsche comparatively). It’s not the end of the world, but suffice to say I have thought about some more carpets (yes, shoot the fool, blah, blah I heard! smile). I also worry a little more about it, when the Porsche just works. Then again, I have had the Porsche a year and the Ferrari 1/10 of that time. The Porsche has earned my trust and confidence but I am still learning about the Ferrari. Little things like the lack of a glove box can be irritating over a long journey too.
Again, that isn’t what a CS is about. When you floor the go pedal, it really does leap forward like a scalded cat screeching across tarmac, when I think the Porsche is more like gorilla sticking its chest out and then barreling down a straight just mowing down the road. The noise has been discussed before, and when you push on hard all you can think about is the noise, the noise, the noise and that gear change. It’s annoying at low speeds but if you want to feel like something is happening it does not disappoint! I haven’t pushed it hard enough to talk about it’s behavior but the driving style required to get the best out of it does feel different from the Porsche.I suspect it's a little more point and squirt? Maybe someone more knowledgeable will be along. It’s just a really different experience on almost every level.
Of course, where these cars are meant to be is at the track. Sadly, (for me) I don’t track my cars. I’d rather go on tour in the Alps, Wales and Scotland. I’ve just taken a tour of Wales (organised thing) and the GT3 was amazing. I understand that someone chasing the car (I say the car, because I possess a modest talent and I am no Stirling Moss) actually ending up going off trying to follow the lines the Porsche could take. So, I won’t be tracking either car (and they haven't been under previous owners if they are to believed) because I think it’s a little more likely to end up in a prang and I think they’ll be so good at it, I’ll never stop and that will bankrupt me!
So, in summary the Ferrari is an intense experience and that is it’s character pretty much all the time. The Porsche is a pussy cat or a tiger, you get to choose. Yes, to actually answer the questions they can't be that different as they are both following the same ethos, but when you live with them, they really have so little in common other than the underlying theme. The deliver power differently, sound different and they feel different in corners too.
I wish I could keep both, but it looks like I will be letting one go soon. They’re both immaculate and they’re both amazing cars, but the CS is more likely to keep it’s value so I am leaning towards keeping it even though I think that the GT3 is the “superior” machine. No surprise really, it is a younger car and the Ferrari goes back to 1999. I think I could get a comparable GT3 if I let mine go, but I was looking for 8 months before my CS arrived.
Sorry, I’ve kind of prattled on and on.
If you look past the 3.5 – 4 inch ground clearance, the GT3 is a surprisingly friendly car. I don’t think twice about popping down to the shops in it and long journeys are a breeze. The cabin is quiet and my car has car climate control, bucket seats, upgraded sound and speakers, satnav, the works – essentially if you aren’t doing 5500 RPM plus, you’d be forgiven for wondering what all the shouting about this “hardcore” “race car for the road” etc is all about. My wife has fallen asleep in it (the highest of praise! smile) Everything just works. You fill it with gas, shut the cap and forget about it. I never look at the dials and gauges because I have no reason to do so. Obviously, it’s not an RR so take what I am saying in the relative manner I mean it.
But that isn’t what you buy this car for. It’s easy to live with, which is what someone like me is doing 90% of the time. The 10% of the time when you are pushing hard, that’s where the extra £££ you pay about a boggo 911 comes in. This car is epic, the star of the show is the engine, with the body control not far behind. The enduring memory I have off driving the GT3 is the way it piles the speed on - it’s a never ending, visceral experience. The sounds are amazing too, but they are secondary to the speedo charging on. I have never driven a more confidence inspiring car. I like to take my foot off the pedal when going into a corner, balance the car and the push gently through the throttle as I pass the apex. The car just leans into the bend, and the engine just starts building momentum as does the car. The closest thing I can describe accelerating through a bend is to skiing, the way you feel the pressure on your outside ski and that lift as you hit the sweet spot and start moving quickly out the turn.
The Ferrari is difficult to live with if you are uncharitable about it. It’s not quiet in the cabin and every stone of the road surface can be heard as it pings off the undercarriage or the wheel arches (not the case in the Porsche comparatively). It’s not the end of the world, but suffice to say I have thought about some more carpets (yes, shoot the fool, blah, blah I heard! smile). I also worry a little more about it, when the Porsche just works. Then again, I have had the Porsche a year and the Ferrari 1/10 of that time. The Porsche has earned my trust and confidence but I am still learning about the Ferrari. Little things like the lack of a glove box can be irritating over a long journey too.
Again, that isn’t what a CS is about. When you floor the go pedal, it really does leap forward like a scalded cat screeching across tarmac, when I think the Porsche is more like gorilla sticking its chest out and then barreling down a straight just mowing down the road. The noise has been discussed before, and when you push on hard all you can think about is the noise, the noise, the noise and that gear change. It’s annoying at low speeds but if you want to feel like something is happening it does not disappoint! I haven’t pushed it hard enough to talk about it’s behavior but the driving style required to get the best out of it does feel different from the Porsche.I suspect it's a little more point and squirt? Maybe someone more knowledgeable will be along. It’s just a really different experience on almost every level.
Of course, where these cars are meant to be is at the track. Sadly, (for me) I don’t track my cars. I’d rather go on tour in the Alps, Wales and Scotland. I’ve just taken a tour of Wales (organised thing) and the GT3 was amazing. I understand that someone chasing the car (I say the car, because I possess a modest talent and I am no Stirling Moss) actually ending up going off trying to follow the lines the Porsche could take. So, I won’t be tracking either car (and they haven't been under previous owners if they are to believed) because I think it’s a little more likely to end up in a prang and I think they’ll be so good at it, I’ll never stop and that will bankrupt me!
So, in summary the Ferrari is an intense experience and that is it’s character pretty much all the time. The Porsche is a pussy cat or a tiger, you get to choose. Yes, to actually answer the questions they can't be that different as they are both following the same ethos, but when you live with them, they really have so little in common other than the underlying theme. The deliver power differently, sound different and they feel different in corners too.
I wish I could keep both, but it looks like I will be letting one go soon. They’re both immaculate and they’re both amazing cars, but the CS is more likely to keep it’s value so I am leaning towards keeping it even though I think that the GT3 is the “superior” machine. No surprise really, it is a younger car and the Ferrari goes back to 1999. I think I could get a comparable GT3 if I let mine go, but I was looking for 8 months before my CS arrived.
Sorry, I’ve kind of prattled on and on.
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