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I think there is a very small number which actually have been clocked, it is quite easy to spot wear and tear on a car. Also very hard to hide if a car has done a lot of miles and the speedo is saying less than 5000. A Ferrari plug on reader should be able to spot a clocked car surely? Big risk for a seller to take given that the price of these low mile cars is going to require any buyer to have a inspection.
I think there is a very small number which actually have been clocked, it is quite easy to spot wear and tear on a car. Also very hard to hide if a car has done a lot of miles and the speedo is saying less than 5000. A Ferrari plug on reader should be able to spot a clocked car surely? Big risk for a seller to take given that the price of these low mile cars is going to require any buyer to have a inspection.
acr_nick said:
I think there is a very small number which actually have been clocked, it is quite easy to spot wear and tear on a car. Also very hard to hide if a car has done a lot of miles and the speedo is saying less than 5000. A Ferrari plug on reader should be able to spot a clocked car surely? Big risk for a seller to take given that the price of these low mile cars is going to require any buyer to have a inspection.
A friend of mine does mileage correction for a living. Supercars were/are a routine business for him so I would disagree with what you say. As for the gearbox mileage well that is manipulated as well - I have seen it being done. You are not going to tell the difference between a 10k mile car and a 5k mile car. Mileage nor damage bother me but I agree it ought to be reflected in the price. I look at the adverts and its the same old cars for the last 8 months being advertised at the same old cloud cuckoo land prices by dealers looking to cash in on tulipmania. I am interested in buying if anyone knows of anyone selling privately.
15HN said:
Silverstone auction car LHD, only 5k miles. Looks like it did not sell and available now at £145k
This one in the USA is £100k dearer.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-360-Stradale-/35...
if you buy a car to drive it surely does not matter that much if it has been clocked from say 15k to 5k given that you will add that mileage back in a year or two anyway and a few years down the line the difference between 40k and 30k will not be so relevant assuming you have to sell.... I am still surprised that people pay huge premiums for mileage that is still not really low (could understand a premium for sth that only has delivery mileage and will never be driven, but for anything that is higher than that seems a bit pointless to me).
AmoCS said:
As these cars get older and more scarce, damage like this will be irrelevant, so long as it’s been repaired correctly. Just look at the F40’s, plenty of damaged cars making top dollar. Gas Monkey as a good example.
Mine was resprayed back in 2003, barely a couple months into its life. First owner beached it on a Ferrari driver training day. Clearly he needed more training. He claimed on the insurance and changed anything that had so much as a stone chip on it. No actual damage though and all original panels (I have letter from Ferrari addressed to me and confirming) yet still it got slammed on this forum for being a 'story' car. Perhaps earlier in this same thread actually. Two years on and still doesn't bother me in the slightest. Car is in great condition, has now had its initial PPI and two further inspections by the Ferrari Centre in Kent and comes back clean every time. Whilst no one wants to buy a dog, the degree to which some obsess over mileage and a bit of paint or changing a few parts is annoying as it just feeds the obsession not to drive them and plays into the hands of the speculators. I love mine to bits, has never let me down and wouldn't sell her in a month of Sundays. At least not until someone will let me swap for an F40... even a prior crashed one is fine by me as long as repaired properly. Since that ain't going to happen, I'll be keeping my repainted not particularly low mileage baby for many many years to come. Hell I might even drive it occassionally. Not in the rain though, that really would be crazy. How do I live with myself owning such an imperfect example : ))RED110T said:
AmoCS said:
As these cars get older and more scarce, damage like this will be irrelevant, so long as it’s been repaired correctly. Just look at the F40’s, plenty of damaged cars making top dollar. Gas Monkey as a good example.
Mine was resprayed back in 2003, barely a couple months into its life. First owner beached it on a Ferrari driver training day. Clearly he needed more training. He claimed on the insurance and changed anything that had so much as a stone chip on it. No actual damage though and all original panels (I have letter from Ferrari addressed to me and confirming) yet still it got slammed on this forum for being a 'story' car. Perhaps earlier in this same thread actually. Two years on and still doesn't bother me in the slightest. Car is in great condition, has now had its initial PPI and two further inspections by the Ferrari Centre in Kent and comes back clean every time. Whilst no one wants to buy a dog, the degree to which some obsess over mileage and a bit of paint or changing a few parts is annoying as it just feeds the obsession not to drive them and plays into the hands of the speculators. I love mine to bits, has never let me down and wouldn't sell her in a month of Sundays. At least not until someone will let me swap for an F40... even a prior crashed one is fine by me as long as repaired properly. Since that ain't going to happen, I'll be keeping my repainted not particularly low mileage baby for many many years to come. Hell I might even drive it occassionally. Not in the rain though, that really would be crazy. How do I live with myself owning such an imperfect example : ))
Enjoy it! They're spectacular.
Scooby P1 said:
Anyone know what to do if the little orange "engine" light comes on the left of the dash and doesn't go off even though car seems to run fine?
Buy an OBD II Scanner for about £30, it will give you the error code causing the CEL. This one does the job.
http://www.clubstradale.com/post447.html#p447
Edited by AmoCS on Tuesday 31st May 18:18
You could be right. I've only owned it for 2 weeks and haven't had to fill it up and it arrived with a full tank.
However, the light came on after my first 40 mile drive, multiple stops and starts then put in the garage. Got it out cold (ish) a bit later and blipped throttle to less than 4K revs once and suddenly light came on and it ran really rough, as if it was misfiring. Little blip and it went back to normal then put away without driving. Next start a week later and it ran fine but light was on the whole time.
Still possibly fuel cap?
However, the light came on after my first 40 mile drive, multiple stops and starts then put in the garage. Got it out cold (ish) a bit later and blipped throttle to less than 4K revs once and suddenly light came on and it ran really rough, as if it was misfiring. Little blip and it went back to normal then put away without driving. Next start a week later and it ran fine but light was on the whole time.
Still possibly fuel cap?
Yes because it was recently filled up - whether by you or ANOther - also the misfiring could have been because you failed to wait for the Check OK light to come on
These could be two out of the three classic new owner issues - they may not
The third is to believe the Air Con doesn't work - its climate control so heat and cooling both come from system on not one or the other
These could be two out of the three classic new owner issues - they may not
The third is to believe the Air Con doesn't work - its climate control so heat and cooling both come from system on not one or the other
Edited by johnnyreggae on Tuesday 31st May 20:25
After about a couple of weeks since I bought mine that light came on.
Took it back to Dick Lovett where I bought from. They said this was because the CS has tight tolerances and it could effect the ECU ranges (it was this winter). They sent the ECU back to Italy to get it re-flashed with wider tolerances (which apparently is standard practice) . Took a bit over a month but haven't had any issues since.
Took it back to Dick Lovett where I bought from. They said this was because the CS has tight tolerances and it could effect the ECU ranges (it was this winter). They sent the ECU back to Italy to get it re-flashed with wider tolerances (which apparently is standard practice) . Took a bit over a month but haven't had any issues since.
So it sounds likely i may have the same issue as you. I gather it may be to do with emissions as the car runs fine and always says "Check Ok" before starting.
There's nothing wrong with how the fuel cap is sited but to be honest no idea if aircon works or not as haven't really tried. Windows seem to work fine instead.
I also bought mine from DL and it sounds like they may need to come and get it to sort this all out.
Shame as there doesn't seem to be anything wrong but it is a bit disconcerting having this orange engine light on all the time. It comes on before you even start the engine and never goes off at the moment.
There's nothing wrong with how the fuel cap is sited but to be honest no idea if aircon works or not as haven't really tried. Windows seem to work fine instead.
I also bought mine from DL and it sounds like they may need to come and get it to sort this all out.
Shame as there doesn't seem to be anything wrong but it is a bit disconcerting having this orange engine light on all the time. It comes on before you even start the engine and never goes off at the moment.
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