308/328 Values

[springfield27]

Jonty355 said:

In that case then, the GTB 'i' cars should be worth more than Vetro's, as there are less of them!

But a lot less bhp/ The "i"cars are the least desirable. Probably why so few of them were built!

[Behemoth]

springfield27 said:

But a lot less bhp/ The "i"cars are the least desirable. Probably why so few of them were built!

Hackneyed received wisdom. The power difference is not noticeable and moreover, after 30 years there are many euro box saloons that will outwit any 308.

[springfield27]

Behemoth said:

Hackneyed received wisdom. The power difference is not noticeable and moreover, after 30 years there are many euro box saloons that will outwit any 308.

You may say so. But my earlier carbed 308GT4 easily outruns a 308 GTBi ;-)

[springfield27]

springfield27 said:

You may say so. But my earlier carbed 308GT4 easily outruns a 308 GTBi ;-)

You don't see many (if any) 308GTBi on the race track, but you do see 3O8 Vetrosinas, 308 GT4s and 328s. Probably some 308 QVs as well. Says something about performance and that may be coupled to value. Who knows. But while the 308i is not a car I would choose by preference it could be a lower value option for some.

[Nmj]

AndrewE said:

Wow - I saw the silver one (wasn't that a vetro?) but the red one? the one you had a Bromley earlier this year.....

the amounts scare me as agreed values cant keep up with this spike

both were gts , yes 1 was my one which you saw at Bromley then the silver/beige was 21600 miles 2 owners and beautifully prepped
i do have a silver vetro though
just had an opportunity to invest in another car and took the plunge
i personally still see 308's rising

[Behemoth]

springfield27 said:

You don't see many (if any) 308GTBi on the race track, but you do see 3O8 Vetrosinas, 308 GT4s and 328s. Probably some 308 QVs as well. Says something about performance and that may be coupled to value. Who knows. But while the 308i is not a car I would choose by preference it could be a lower value option for some.

Yes, you're right. I was excluding serious track use.

But most of us have fun with our cars most of the time on A & B roads, not tracks. And in that real world situation, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. That goes for occasional track use, too. But if you want a serious track car, you're in for an awful lot more work & tuning than just shelling out for a vetro and hoping it goes a bit faster.

If I wanted a track car, I'd get a Caterham or similar. If I wanted a Ferrari track car without breaking the bank, I'd get a Mondial, no question.

[Cerbieherts]

Behemoth said:

I think there are small compression differences with 328s, I don't know of any with 308s. The biggest difference is in timing advance, which can be changed to Euro by switching out the Digiplex module (very simple to do). I think the US timing helped with emissions. The gearing was slightly different, too.

But to all intents and purposes, these nuances are tiny after more than 30 years. It's really splitting hairs compared to looking at the overall condition and clear evidence of recent regular use and maintenance.

There are a few degrees of cam timing difference between the two markets too..some changes to exhaust, air injection etc. as you say though small, small differences!

[4rephill]

Jonty355 said:

In that case then, the GTB 'i' cars should be worth more than Vetro's, as there are less of them!

Vetro cars are more resistant to body corrosion strangely enough, that adds to their value instantly!

[Behemoth]

4rephill said:

Vetro cars are more resistant to body corrosion strangely enough, that adds to their value instantly!

The 308 is not a monocoque, so its body panels are almost infinitely restorable. The chassis is very thick section steel and of course is shared across all models, including the vetro. A full restoration of even poorly rusted panels wouldn't cost any where near the price differential we're seeing at the moment. That wouldn't need to include the bonnet, which is aluminium across all variants. And all variants have major bits of fibreglass in them, like the floorpan, valances, the GTS targa roof.

[sneijder]

Behemoth said:

Quite right. This is the point where those with the time and a bit of spare cash to invest get into the arbitrage game and we see cars crossing the Atlantic. The pound is also relatively strong, though still nowhere near what it was pre-crisis.

This is well under way here in Norway, no tax on cars over 30 years old. 'Normal' cars are in line with the price of everything / income in Norway, so a tax free import from the States is tempting.

There's a love of Americana / German cars, yesterday's supermarket car park had two stingrays and a gorgeous snotter 911 with US bumpers.

[Bacchus]

anybody looking for a RHD Vetro? There is a nice example in France (no connexion to the seller)
http://www.lesanciennes.com/annonce/A48694-Ventes-...

[Behemoth]

Have a look at the main valuation tool in the US and you'll see that 308 prices have spiked dramatically over this summer, whichever variant. And they're still relatively cheap over there..

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/

[gmarsh]

A well cared for 1986, one owner, 7300 mile 328 GTS sold last month at the RM Monterey Auction, for $104500 (£63k at todays exchange rate) which maybe confirms these cars are cheaper in the US than in the UK.

[Andy 308GTB]

1979 308GTB
1981 308GTSi

To be auctioned on Thursday evening should provide a fair barometer of the market:
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/salon-prive

[Mal001]

There are also several being auctioned in the Autumn sale on the 20th Sept. A QV has a guide price of £80-90k! Should be interesting.

Edited by Mal001 on Thursday 4th September 08:13

[James_P]

the 79' 308 GTB went for 56k excluding fees https://silverstoneauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDe...

Did someone get a bargain?

[johnnyreggae]

Sixty five grand with fees sounds more sensible than the £ 95 the other day !

[Andy 308GTB]

johnnyreggae said:

Sixty five grand with fees sounds more sensible

That's exactly what I used for my agreed valuation a few months back.

[DevonPaul]

There's an 18,000 mile 308 GTS with some HPI issues at Nick Cartwright at the moment. I'd expect with Nick's reputation that it will all be sorted before sale. I'm led to believe that car can be had "as is" for a figure starting with a 5.

Does anyone else think the Ferrari 330GT that sold at Silverstone for £110k was a bit of a bargain too?

[Nmj]

James_P said:

the 79' 308 GTB went for 56k excluding fees https://silverstoneauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDe...

Did someone get a bargain?

i enquired about this car several months ago and walked away from it , a world apart from what i deal in