Forghieri speaks on the Glickenhaus car

[ferrisbueller]

Napolis said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

Touche.

[Elex]

Napolis said:

"Ferrari tipo 603R was installed. The same information applies to 412 P cars 0850 and 0854"
This Troll parroting Huet.

My response:

"The real ultra stupidity of this trolls jumping the shark was his latest Huet comments. Firstly the misinformation that Huet published that this troll loves to parrot "Type 603R gearbox" besides being totally false is easily seen to be totally not true with one's own naked eyes by anyone who's ever looked at 0854's gearbox as real experts like Marcel Massini and Keith Bluemel who not only have looked at 0846 as it exists today but have also after looking at 0846 as currently owned by me recently clearly reported in writing that 0846 owned by me has attended several top concours. Should anyone want to confirm the falsehood of "603 R" for themselves all they have to do is to have a look this summer during Pebble Car Week. "

The Troll responded:

"The 603R gearbox information that Christian Huet published 20 years ago is not misinformation and totally false at all. I have it in writing in a 2013 email from a very high ranking official of Ferrari Classiche that the 603R gearbox was used in 0858 when it was in P4 configuration as well as 350 Can Am."

0854 is not 0858. It is a TOTALLY different car, model,tipo and chassis number. It is and has always been a 412P. What the gearbox in 350 Can Am 0858 may or may not be has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on 0854.

My answer remains the same:

"The real ultra stupidity of this trolls jumping the shark was his latest Huet comments. Firstly the misinformation that Huet published that this troll loves to parrot "Type 603R gearbox" besides being totally false is easily seen to be totally not true with one's own naked eyes by anyone who's ever looked at 0854's gearbox as real experts like Marcel Massini and Keith Bluemel who not only have looked at 0846 as it exists today but have also after looking at 0846 as currently owned by me recently clearly reported in writing that 0846 owned by me has attended several top concours. Should anyone want to confirm the falsehood of "603 R" for themselves all they have to do is to have a look this summer during Pebble Car Week. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

You have totally lost the plot.

Here's a post written by your very self on FChat.

Edited by Elex on Tuesday 5th May 00:31

[Napolis]

ferrisbueller said:

Napolis said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

Touche.

The bottom line remains.

Anyone who want's to see exactly what gearbox 0854 has with their own eyes should come to Monterey this summer.

Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

[Petrus1983]

Elex said:

The gearbox used in 330 P4 0858 definitely has a bearing on the tipo of gearbox used in a P4 as it was a P4 doh as I said in my previous post. 0846 P3/4 was the prototype P4.

Napolis said: "As 0854's Box is stamped 603 and not 603R I still believe that the P4 boxes were 603 not 603R." So, by your own reasoning the gearbox in 0854 does have a bearing on the tipo of gearbox on a P4 and therefore vice versa.


Additionally, the Head of Ferrari Classiche proves you are wrong. Ferrari Classiche stated that the 603R gearbox was used in 330 P4 0858.

Edited by Elex on Tuesday 5th May 08:04

If you put this much effort into curing AIDS or world hunger we'd probably have a solution by nom - maybe time to switch focuses??

[dinkel]

Agreed. Love that MP clip. What is your favo? Let me guess: the slapping fish dance!

[Petrus1983]

Now not writing in the middle of the night Elax, my biggest concern would be that AIDS would be cured by banning monkeys and world hunger would be resolved by Fairleys Rusks airdrops, and that would be only if and when their true background of being hungry could be proven. In no way at all am I a JG sympathiser (I have never met him nor communicated with him), but his courtesy towards your stalker/nut job attack on him is admired. Please please leave it now, anything you say has absolutely no relevance and will only be considered a strange attack.

[WCZ]

you could apply that argument to anything though "if you put as much time as you do painting warhammer figures..." etc

[LaurasOtherHalf]

I for one think Elex gets a very hard time on the internet.

The accusation of him being a "troll" is somewhat desperate (it usually is I find).

[WCZ]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I for one think Elex gets a very hard time on the internet.

The accusation of him being a "troll" is somewhat desperate (it usually is I find).

+1

his arguments are too intelligent and his persistence too long for him to be a troll

[Adam B]

He is not a troll, he is just obsessed, and in a dull and repetitive way

and doesn't achieve anything other than open himself up for libel charges

[Petrus1983]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I for one think Elex gets a very hard time on the internet.

The accusation of him being a "troll" is somewhat desperate (it usually is I find).

I certainly don't see him as a troll, but concerned by a) the level of time he's spent on this, b) opening himself up to libel issues. There is undoubtedly a degree of accuracy in what he says, but now it's been said it's probably best left alone now.

[Elex]

Jim, in your 0846 pdf, you have made things up as you go along to fit your chassis.

You have said that the (SCHEDA TECHNICA) TECHNICAL DATA SHEET states that the wheelbase of the P3 was 2412mm and you try and make details of the same TECHNICAL DATA SHEET fit your chassis by quoting details of the 412P cars. See screen shot of page 70 of your 0846 pdf below. In this instance the actual quotation of wheelbase details of the 412P cars really does have NO BEARING on P3/4 0846 ever having a 2412mm wheelbase. The reason is that the wheelbase length of the P3/412P and 412P cars including 0854 is quoted when they had the ZF 5DS gearbox installed. 0846 never had a ZF 5DS gearbox in it.

It is a lie that the TECHNICAL DATA SHEET states that the P3 had a 2412mm wheelbase. It states the P3 wheelbase as 2.40 metres. You have stated many times that the original P3 mountings (or P3 vestigial mounts as you call them) on your chassis make for a wheelbase of 2412mm. I am afraid, Jim that this is actually more proof that your chassis is neither 0846 or was even originally a P3. Again, please prove me wrong.

Below is a screenshot of page 70 of Glickenhaus's 0846 pdf document.

Edited by Elex on Monday 11th May 10:23

[miurasv]

Here are scanned copies of the actual Official Ferrari Notiziario Technical Data Sheets/Documents for the 330 P3 and 330 P4 issued by the Ferrari Factory at the Ferrari Press Conferences at the introduction of both cars in 1966 and 1967. This is Factory proof that the P3 and P4 wheelbase lengths (PASSO) were both exactly the same at 2400mm. The P3 wheelbase was not 2412mm and P4 wheelbase was not shortened P3 v. P4 as Jim states. He is absolutely wrong that the P3 wheelbase was 2412mm and he is absolutely wrong that the Technical Data Sheets, both by the Factory and Christian Huet, state the P3 wheelbase was 2412mm. That Jim's chassis wheelbase with a P3/412P engine is 2412mm proves it is not 0846. 0846 was the actual car presented to the Press in February, 1966 and stated by Ferrari as having a 2400mm wheelbase.

The only cars from this group that had a 2412mm wheelbase were the P3/412P (0844, 0848) and 412P (0850, 0854) cars that temporarily got the ZF 5DS gearbox to replace the unreliable tipo 593 as the new Ferrari gearboxes were not available in sufficient numbers. This adaptation necessitated changing the rear part of the chassis and the lengthening of the wheelbase from 2.400m to 2.412m. 0846 was not one of those cars as it went from using the tipo 593 to 603R gearbox. When the P3/412P and 412P cars eventually received the Ferrari 603R gearbox, all by Le Mans '67, the wheelbase reverted back to the original 2400mm.

Edited by miurasv on Tuesday 6th October 10:42

[miurasv]

Official Ferrari Notiziario Technical Data Sheet for 330 P4.

[Muzzer79]

For the love of God, just give it up.

Literally no-one cares.....

[dudleybloke]

Muzzer79 said:

For the love of God, just give it up.

Literally no-one cares.....

+1.

[Petrus1983]

Muzzer79 said:

For the love of God, just give it up.

Literally no-one cares.....

So true!

[Napolis]

On March 14th 2016 Mauro Forghieri Confirmed in writing, in front of witnesses and on video that the chassis in the Glickenhaus P3/P4 is the original P3/P4 Chassis of the car that won The 1967 24 Hours of Daytona.

http://p45c.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Mauro08...

[Bas Jaski]

Napolis said:

On March 14th 2016 Mauro Forghieri Confirmed in writing, in front of witnesses and on video that the chassis in the Glickenhaus P3/P4 is the original P3/P4 Chassis of the car that won The 1967 24 Hours of Daytona.

http://p45c.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Mauro08...

Cue the ''that signature is NOT the original Mauro Forghieri signature, but one he started using in the mid 60's after binning the original'' post.

[Napolis]

Bas Jaski said:

Cue the ''that signature is NOT the original Mauro Forghieri signature, but one he started using in the mid 60's after binning the original'' post.

Best