F40 prices

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Jonny TVR

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282 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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I've just seen the blue F40 on CC's currently over £2m. Have I missed something as I thought F40's were generally around £1m obviously dependent on condition etc.

Bispal

1,619 posts

152 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Jonny TVR said:
I've just seen the blue F40 on CC's currently over £2m. Have I missed something as I thought F40's were generally around £1m obviously dependent on condition etc.
pound - dollar has a lot to do with this.

12 months ago they had already increased from around £1M (as most cars had) to around £1.3M or $2M in the USA for a good one.

1 year ago £1 was $1.4. So $2M was £1.43M

Now £1 is $1.1 so $2M is £1.82M

So £/$ is most of the increase and owners are shipping to the states.

Most high end collectable cars have increased significantly in the past year due to the fall in the pound.

I bet Sam Moores is suffering buyers regret big time.













Jonny TVR

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Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Bispal said:
pound - dollar has a lot to do with this.

12 months ago they had already increased from around £1M (as most cars had) to around £1.3M or $2M in the USA for a good one.

1 year ago £1 was $1.4. So $2M was £1.43M

Now £1 is $1.1 so $2M is £1.82M

So £/$ is most of the increase and owners are shipping to the states.

Most high end collectable cars have increased significantly in the past year due to the fall in the pound.

I bet Sam Moores is suffering buyers regret big time.
That makes sense .. and of course they are all LHD so no issue for US. Yes I can imagine Sam Moores being "disappointed" that he didn't keep hold of it. I'm also disappointed that I didn't look at them seriously a lot earlier. It will be interesting to see where it ends up and whether it does go to the US.

thegreenhell

15,403 posts

220 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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Wow, that's a big jump in a short space of time. It sold for 'only' £1m on a different auction platform last year, so it's already more than doubled with 4 days left on the current auction.

MDL111

6,974 posts

178 months

Wednesday 19th October 2022
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saw that today and the Enzo sitting at 3.2m or some such number. Thought people are mental

Didn't somebody on here trade his nearly new F430 Spider for an F40? nice how that worked out in terms of driving pleasure and financials.

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Not in the same league but just spotted a early 430 manual on Car&Classic for £310.000,

15,000miles which is nice mileage but not ultra low, Don't thing there will be a queue at the door unless

you know something i don't scratchchin

Jonny TVR

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282 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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That doesn't make sense. I wonder what the auction prices are on those at the moment. I haven't been following but I imagine half that

Edited by Jonny TVR on Thursday 20th October 07:44

mike74

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133 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Didn't realise Enzo's were worth so much more than F40's, I know technically the Enzo is the better car but from the more subjective angle of iconic status I would have thought F40's are considerably more desirable.

12TS

1,860 posts

211 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Three times more F40s than Enzos (~1200 vs 400)

joshcowin

6,812 posts

177 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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I would have an Enzo over an f40 also! I am 31 y/o btw many younger millionaires would have had an. Enzo on the wall over an f40.

mike74

3,687 posts

133 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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12TS said:
Three times more F40s than Enzos (~1200 vs 400)
I wasn't sure on the numbers of Enzos but I suppose that does mostly explain it, plus as I said, how ''iconic'' a car is regarded is largely subjective anyway, but for me personally it would be the F40 every time.

Jonny TVR

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282 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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F40 for me too.

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Jonny TVR said:
That doesn't make sense. I wonder what the auction prices are on those at the moment. I haven't been following but I imagine half that

Edited by Jonny TVR on Thursday 20th October 07:44
Had actually thought that are the prices on this collection that the F40 is on being bumped up by the owner or his

family or friends as it didn't seem real, the high figures were very early on in the bidding ,most of the time with auctions

the high bids are towards the end , dealers are not asking anywhere near those prices ,most being POA but will now give them

the excuse to raise their prices without anyone knowing , even a Camaro went very quickly to £60K which is crazy money for that

model and it's not even a classic,

Not sure if i'm right or wrong in this crazy market but something just doesn't add up.

Had my first E Type when i was 19 ,now 71 next mouth so been into classics and in and out of recessions all my motoring life

but never seen anything like this before and in such a short period.confused


Purso

871 posts

103 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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what did sam moores sell it for previously?

thegreenhell

15,403 posts

220 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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Purso said:
what did sam moores sell it for previously?
https://themarket.bonhams.com/en/listings/ferrari/...

Purso

871 posts

103 months

Thursday 20th October 2022
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WOW!!! He will be in trouble with his dad

bryn_p

465 posts

230 months

Friday 21st October 2022
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rat rod said:
Had actually thought that are the prices on this collection that the F40 is on being bumped up by the owner or his

family or friends as it didn't seem real, the high figures were very early on in the bidding ,most of the time with auctions

the high bids are towards the end , dealers are not asking anywhere near those prices ,most being POA but will now give them

the excuse to raise their prices without anyone knowing , even a Camaro went very quickly to £60K which is crazy money for that

model and it's not even a classic,

Not sure if i'm right or wrong in this crazy market but something just doesn't add up.

Had my first E Type when i was 19 ,now 71 next mouth so been into classics and in and out of recessions all my motoring life

but never seen anything like this before and in such a short period.confused
I agree something doesn't really add up with these, the reserve is not even met on the F40. In fact, only 3 of the cars do have the reserve met. Of course that affords some bids to bump up the price as I believe the auction houses are entitled to do.

I don't expect this to be a popular comment but I also preferred this F40 in it's previous white LM guise as it was in Japan. Although a standard red one would be my choice if I can ever afford one

Lord_Howit_Hertz

1,899 posts

218 months

Friday 21st October 2022
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I assume this Sam Li has more to do with CC than he lets on? He claims he's the biggest user of the platform, buying and selling most weeks, although he also claims he's bought a new car every week since 1993. Surely he has friends in places at CC hence most of his collection has high bids but not many reserves met?

Would love to know what else he has in his collection, I know he has 9 911 Singers of various kinds. He also recently hired a race track for his friends to drive his LMP car collection round the track.

DarthtaterM16

913 posts

103 months

Friday 21st October 2022
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bryn_p said:
rat rod said:
Had actually thought that are the prices on this collection that the F40 is on being bumped up by the owner or his

family or friends as it didn't seem real, the high figures were very early on in the bidding ,most of the time with auctions

the high bids are towards the end , dealers are not asking anywhere near those prices ,most being POA but will now give them

the excuse to raise their prices without anyone knowing , even a Camaro went very quickly to £60K which is crazy money for that

model and it's not even a classic,

Not sure if i'm right or wrong in this crazy market but something just doesn't add up.

Had my first E Type when i was 19 ,now 71 next mouth so been into classics and in and out of recessions all my motoring life

but never seen anything like this before and in such a short period.confused
I agree something doesn't really add up with these, the reserve is not even met on the F40. In fact, only 3 of the cars do have the reserve met. Of course that affords some bids to bump up the price as I believe the auction houses are entitled to do.

I don't expect this to be a popular comment but I also preferred this F40 in it's previous white LM guise as it was in Japan. Although a standard red one would be my choice if I can ever afford one
"Mr Pink" has bid £5,300,500 between F40 and Enzo alone...

Jonny TVR

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282 months

Friday 21st October 2022
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A cheap and effective way to drive market values up?