Might be buying, couple of questions
Discussion
Hello, I am new to Lamborghinis, have some Ferraris and Porsches and loved the Gallardos I drove (I am a journalist and occasionally review supercars). I am considering buying a manual Gallardo, and my questions for all you highly knowledgable people on this excellent forum are...
1) Is a 550-2 considered inferior to a 560-4 or 570-4? I have never driven a RWD Gallardo but enjoy RWD in general, and am selling my 996 Turbo S because it's too easy. But I loved the 4WD Gallardos I drove (Performante Spiders), though they were not manuals.
2) I have been offered a 550-2 manual, 16k miles, 2011, UK RHD, by someone who may well be a member here, at close to £175k. The car looks excellent, flawless. Is that a mad price? I note late SL manuals are asking 400k euros on mobile.de. But should I keep looking for a 560 or Performante manual rather than the 550-2? Worried there about resale value as I read on this forum that the RWD Gallardos for some reason are seen as less desirable.
I know manuals are supposed to be rising in price, but that doesn't apply if you pay too much!
Any feedback much appreciated.
1) Is a 550-2 considered inferior to a 560-4 or 570-4? I have never driven a RWD Gallardo but enjoy RWD in general, and am selling my 996 Turbo S because it's too easy. But I loved the 4WD Gallardos I drove (Performante Spiders), though they were not manuals.
2) I have been offered a 550-2 manual, 16k miles, 2011, UK RHD, by someone who may well be a member here, at close to £175k. The car looks excellent, flawless. Is that a mad price? I note late SL manuals are asking 400k euros on mobile.de. But should I keep looking for a 560 or Performante manual rather than the 550-2? Worried there about resale value as I read on this forum that the RWD Gallardos for some reason are seen as less desirable.
I know manuals are supposed to be rising in price, but that doesn't apply if you pay too much!
Any feedback much appreciated.
Gallardo manuals are soaring in price at the moment. Up around 10-20% in the past 3-6 months. They seem to have finally caught "manual fever" like the F430 first did a year or two ago.
Huracan prices are not rising.
Some Gallardo owners are starting to convert their 4WD cars to 2WD. You only need to pull out a few plugs. Fairly easy to do.
Huracan prices are not rising.
Some Gallardo owners are starting to convert their 4WD cars to 2WD. You only need to pull out a few plugs. Fairly easy to do.
£175k is crazzzzzy money for any Gallardo.
You have bigger cajones than me to take that one on.
The whole hype around a manual supercar has a short life span IMHO. They are still too mass produced to be collectable and longer term the new generation of buyers with new money will think they are prehistoric having be brought up on Playstations.
Don't know how long you intend to keep the car but if its long term fine as long as you are comfortable at paying top dollar at the current time.
I don't think they are as guaranteed to increase as some think
You have bigger cajones than me to take that one on.
The whole hype around a manual supercar has a short life span IMHO. They are still too mass produced to be collectable and longer term the new generation of buyers with new money will think they are prehistoric having be brought up on Playstations.
Don't know how long you intend to keep the car but if its long term fine as long as you are comfortable at paying top dollar at the current time.
I don't think they are as guaranteed to increase as some think
No UK 560-2 anniversario was manual
Don't think any editione technica 570-4 was specced manual
There might be a performante or superleggera with a manual box.. as the years rolled on, fewer and fewer UK cars were manual
Rambo... Future buyers are us sentimental old rich guys who remember driving cars... That's why the classics are worth loads....
What's it worth.... Don't know, earlier this year a manual balboni was this sort of money
Don't think any editione technica 570-4 was specced manual
There might be a performante or superleggera with a manual box.. as the years rolled on, fewer and fewer UK cars were manual
Rambo... Future buyers are us sentimental old rich guys who remember driving cars... That's why the classics are worth loads....
What's it worth.... Don't know, earlier this year a manual balboni was this sort of money
Re the 2wd vs 4wd debate....
4wd will be faster, safer in wet, get power down earlier
2wd needs respect and to be driven, more fun, better steering feel...
4wd generally chosen as people like the safety of extra grip, but u don't need to be Valentino to drive a 2wd...
I've gone 4 to 2 and have no regrets
4wd will be faster, safer in wet, get power down earlier
2wd needs respect and to be driven, more fun, better steering feel...
4wd generally chosen as people like the safety of extra grip, but u don't need to be Valentino to drive a 2wd...
I've gone 4 to 2 and have no regrets
Thank you everyone, though it seems to be a matter of debate, your thoughts were/are much appreciated.
I have to say it has made me seriously hesitate, at that price. Maybe at £125k. There doesn't seem to be an 'established market price' for these as they are so rare, and nor are they 'confirmed modern classics' like the 575 or 599 manuals (as long as they may last in that status).
Also...is it heresy to say that, while there are very few LP-era manuals, there are lots of pre-LP manuals, and they are not totally different models with vastly different desirabilities...so if I pay £175k for a LP 550-2, I could also pay £75k for a very nice non-LP manual and have almost as good/an near-identical a car?
A final question - is the 550-2 exactly the same as the Balboni, minus stripe??
I have to say it has made me seriously hesitate, at that price. Maybe at £125k. There doesn't seem to be an 'established market price' for these as they are so rare, and nor are they 'confirmed modern classics' like the 575 or 599 manuals (as long as they may last in that status).
Also...is it heresy to say that, while there are very few LP-era manuals, there are lots of pre-LP manuals, and they are not totally different models with vastly different desirabilities...so if I pay £175k for a LP 550-2, I could also pay £75k for a very nice non-LP manual and have almost as good/an near-identical a car?
A final question - is the 550-2 exactly the same as the Balboni, minus stripe??
LeMaven said:
Thank you everyone, though it seems to be a matter of debate, your thoughts were/are much appreciated.
I have to say it has made me seriously hesitate, at that price. Maybe at £125k. There doesn't seem to be an 'established market price' for these as they are so rare, and nor are they 'confirmed modern classics' like the 575 or 599 manuals (as long as they may last in that status).
Also...is it heresy to say that, while there are very few LP-era manuals, there are lots of pre-LP manuals, and they are not totally different models with vastly different desirabilities...so if I pay £175k for a LP 550-2, I could also pay £75k for a very nice non-LP manual and have almost as good/an near-identical a car?
A final question - is the 550-2 exactly the same as the Balboni, minus stripe??
I would definitely be more tempted to take a punt at a pre LP model at less than half the price. If its the manual element that becomes the big thing in determining future value the difference between LP and pre LP will probably be less than the £100k you are suggesting now making the pre LP the better buy/investment. The LP model saw improvements to the E gear transmission but I doubt much if anything was changed to the manual so the driveability is probably the same I have to say it has made me seriously hesitate, at that price. Maybe at £125k. There doesn't seem to be an 'established market price' for these as they are so rare, and nor are they 'confirmed modern classics' like the 575 or 599 manuals (as long as they may last in that status).
Also...is it heresy to say that, while there are very few LP-era manuals, there are lots of pre-LP manuals, and they are not totally different models with vastly different desirabilities...so if I pay £175k for a LP 550-2, I could also pay £75k for a very nice non-LP manual and have almost as good/an near-identical a car?
A final question - is the 550-2 exactly the same as the Balboni, minus stripe??
Balboni was the first 2wd gallardo
550_2 introduced 2 years later.... Lost stripe inside and out, spec lower too to begin with... But... I've heard cars were better sorted re handling...Maybe as pirelli now had specific 2wd tyre
Every model year had changed parts/ software tweaked to improve reliability and handling....
Re pre LP to LP.... Massive mechanical changes, new engine, suspension, gearbox, clutch etc etc... Not just a facelift.... On a b road at 90% .... Not a lot between them... But LP the much better all round car.... LP was second to gtr in evo coty
550_2 introduced 2 years later.... Lost stripe inside and out, spec lower too to begin with... But... I've heard cars were better sorted re handling...Maybe as pirelli now had specific 2wd tyre
Every model year had changed parts/ software tweaked to improve reliability and handling....
Re pre LP to LP.... Massive mechanical changes, new engine, suspension, gearbox, clutch etc etc... Not just a facelift.... On a b road at 90% .... Not a lot between them... But LP the much better all round car.... LP was second to gtr in evo coty
70proof said:
No UK 560-2 anniversario was manual
Don't think any editione technica 570-4 was specced manual
There might be a performante or superleggera with a manual box.. as the years rolled on, fewer and fewer UK cars were manual
Rambo... Future buyers are us sentimental old rich guys who remember driving cars... That's why the classics are worth loads....
What's it worth.... Don't know, earlier this year a manual balboni was this sort of money
You were obviously excluding me from the statement "old and Rich" - I'm neither !Don't think any editione technica 570-4 was specced manual
There might be a performante or superleggera with a manual box.. as the years rolled on, fewer and fewer UK cars were manual
Rambo... Future buyers are us sentimental old rich guys who remember driving cars... That's why the classics are worth loads....
What's it worth.... Don't know, earlier this year a manual balboni was this sort of money
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the problem is that you sentimental old and rich guys will not live for ever, just like me probably and the newer generations will not give a damn about a stick shifter because they would not have been brought up in an age of manual cars.
I think the manual purple patch for a supercar has a max 25 year lifespan and then they will be consigned to museums.
Hopefully you will still be around to see it
RamboLambo said:
70proof said:
No UK 560-2 anniversario was manual
Don't think any editione technica 570-4 was specced manual
There might be a performante or superleggera with a manual box.. as the years rolled on, fewer and fewer UK cars were manual
Rambo... Future buyers are us sentimental old rich guys who remember driving cars... That's why the classics are worth loads....
What's it worth.... Don't know, earlier this year a manual balboni was this sort of money
You were obviously excluding me from the statement "old and Rich" - I'm neither !Don't think any editione technica 570-4 was specced manual
There might be a performante or superleggera with a manual box.. as the years rolled on, fewer and fewer UK cars were manual
Rambo... Future buyers are us sentimental old rich guys who remember driving cars... That's why the classics are worth loads....
What's it worth.... Don't know, earlier this year a manual balboni was this sort of money
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the problem is that you sentimental old and rich guys will not live for ever, just like me probably and the newer generations will not give a damn about a stick shifter because they would not have been brought up in an age of manual cars.
I think the manual purple patch for a supercar has a max 25 year lifespan and then they will be consigned to museums.
Hopefully you will still be around to see it
http://www.vintagerollsroycecars.com/sales/
The post-manual era from 2010-2100 will follow a same route. Good manual cars from cherished brands with good history will always find buyers.
Yipper said:
Plenty of pre-manual-era Rollers, Bentleys, Mercedes, etc. from the 1880-1930 period are still selling for £100k to >£1m, even though no buyers today grew up with them. The market is sustained and supported by a mix of car, antique and art enthusiasts:
http://www.vintagerollsroycecars.com/sales/
The post-manual era from 2010-2100 will follow a same route. Good manual cars from cherished brands with good history will always find buyers.
I agree and I disagree. Those cars are real collector items not massed produced and todays buyers are still sentimental rich old farts.http://www.vintagerollsroycecars.com/sales/
The post-manual era from 2010-2100 will follow a same route. Good manual cars from cherished brands with good history will always find buyers.
The newer generation are not the same these days and we have become a disposable society. If an old 1900 Roller cost £1000 and its worth say £100k is a £175k mass produced Gallardo going to be worth £17,500,000 in 100 years.
I know its crystal ball time but I suspect not and I don't care as I wont be around to find out if I'm right
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