joined the club - meet our LP560-2

[anomie]

70proof said:

I know I am biased, but best Gallardo variant there is.... 2wd like the balboni, cf/alcantara and spoiler of the sl, best power:weight ratio of any variant too, even squadra corsa!!

sure to appreciate too given the way balboni prices have gone this year.

We concur with your bias. We went LP560-2, as opposed to waiting for an SL, for a lot of the reasons you have outlined. In particular, the RWD factor + power to weight ratio which I think makes it a lot more special then it might seem at first "just a parts-bin psuedo-special" glance. Its only a shame the UK didn't get any manual versions of the 560-2, though I don't think there are many manual in the EU as a whole...most to US.

Although we are without expectation of appreciation, its not an unrealistic expectation. Beyond the short term it isn't unreasonable to expect the RWD to have a similar value-add as manual seems to have. Granted, it is not RWD manual like some but not all 550-2. But, with RWD the e-gear may not be as much of a "disadvantage" in comparison to the advantage of having manual over e-gear in a 4WD variety...if that makes sense.

One thing I am curious about...and maybe you know as seem into such things.... Seems to have best hp:w ratio even in comparison to SL but the Super Trofeo Stradale has 2.35kg per HP. I cannot actually find anything definitive on 560-2 weight, just a bit of guesswork. But from what I can work out (assuming dry weight of 1333?) we are at 2.38kg/hp. So, perhaps almost the lightest but not quite?

tacjcc said:

I bought a LP560-2 last November to replace a Porsche 991 CS2. I use it as a my day car in Sheffield; you really don't need to worry about a bit of northern grim weather!

I think it was more about getting used to the car in nice conditions before taking it out in sub-optimal. We live in the countryside...lots of muddy (slippy) roads and hedgerows tempting us to come flying through. But, if we had to wait for good weather we would be able to take it on the road 4-5 days a year which seems to be the extent of the great British summer. Tempted fate and went out already...just a quick jaunt in the lamborghini to the co-op a few villages away for some mini-cheddars and toilet roll...as you do.

WCZ said:

nice, shame you couldn't close the deal on that mk1 sl though

Maybe, but I think if we felt even a little bit that way we would have waited. Right or wrong I think we may have suitably convinced ourselves that given the option we would still go for this. No doubt SL is special and we would have been over the moon with no regrets had be been able to bring it home. However, I think the RWD factor has actually made this a bit more desirable.

Rachel

[SL550M]

Lamborghini and mini cheddars...now you're making me very jealous!

Seriously, great choice you made there OP (the car, not the mini cheddars). Crazy Lambo is one of the few cars that could tempt me out of my 599.

[EpsomJames]

anomie said:

One thing I am curious about...and maybe you know as seem into such things.... Seems to have best hp:w ratio even in comparison to SL but the Super Trofeo Stradale has 2.35kg per HP. I cannot actually find anything definitive on 560-2 weight, just a bit of guesswork. But from what I can work out (assuming dry weight of 1333?) we are at 2.38kg/hp. So, perhaps almost the lightest but not quite?

I suspect it's impossible to find out the definitive weight unless you put your car on scales. There is a wide variety of weights quoted from various sources for nearly all Gallardo models.

Whether it's the lightest? Possibly, as you obviously have the weight saving from having two less driven wheels, but there is other weight saving going on in the STS and SL cars such as carbon bucket seats, carbon deck, polycarbonate/thinner glass, even more carbon and lightweight exhaust (none of which the 560-2 has)?

Don't worry though, you won't be lacking in power to weight.

Edited by EpsomJames on Thursday 2nd February 16:10

[Just an old porsche fan]

EpsomJames said:

I suspect it's impossible to find out the definitive weight unless you put your car on scales. There is a wide variety of weights quoted from various sources for nearly all Gallardo models.

Whether it's the lightest? Possibly, as you obviously have the weight saving from having two less driven wheels, but there is other weight saving going on in the STS and SL cars such as carbon bucket seats, carbon deck, polycarbonate/thinner glass, even more carbon and lightweight exhaust (none of which the 560-2 has)?

Don't worry though, you won't be lacking in power to weight.

Edited by EpsomJames on Thursday 2nd February 16:10

Apart fom the door cards (which look great on the SL and the deck) they are about equal on the CF front.

From what I can tell from the short drive, the power to weight ratio is certainly not lacking.

[anomie]

[domestic] Off-topic-ish.... YOU ^ above me need to change your user name. It was lame before and now you don't own a porsche. Sort it out [/domestic].

[anonymous-user]

Are you two in different rooms in the same house?! My wife and I will sometimes resort to Skype when I'm busy with the cars in the garage.

[anomie]

thecook101 said:

Are you two in different rooms in the same house?! My wife and I will sometimes resort to Skype when I'm busy with the cars in the garage.

Yes...yes we are. I was in the drawing room doing some needlework. He was in the study doing manly things that are hard for my girl-brain to understand. Now dinner is over I am in the sitting room honing my accomplishments on the x-box like any respectable young lady while he is in the smoking room for cigars and brandy (aka, down t'pub for a pint).

But I have no doubt that internet forum posting is a perfectly reasonable and healthy means by which to communicate.... saves all the trouble of pretending to listen which, lets face it, is a bit of a ball ache.

Also, so it is a bit less weird...we are not normally always in the same house...He is IT contractor working down south so got to do handover of car in Pangbourne Tuesday night. I don't always go down, stayed home, and got to take delivery when trucked up yesterday. Now we are both home and hoping tomorrow is a bit nicer than today for a bit of a longer trip out than today could offer.

R

[EpsomJames]

Just an old porsche fan said:

EpsomJames said:

I suspect it's impossible to find out the definitive weight unless you put your car on scales. There is a wide variety of weights quoted from various sources for nearly all Gallardo models.

Whether it's the lightest? Possibly, as you obviously have the weight saving from having two less driven wheels, but there is other weight saving going on in the STS and SL cars such as carbon bucket seats, carbon deck, polycarbonate/thinner glass, even more carbon and lightweight exhaust (none of which the 560-2 has)?

Don't worry though, you won't be lacking in power to weight.

Apart fom the door cards (which look great on the SL and the deck) they are about equal on the CF front.

From what I can tell from the short drive, the power to weight ratio is certainly not lacking.

Ah okay, yours must be different to the LP560-2 I saw at Romans as that one also didn't have bucket seats, transmission tunnel cover (it had a strip of carbon down the centre), wing mirrors, running boards, diffuser and undertray all in carbon like an STS and SL.

Good to hear you are enjoying it already.

[70proof]

tacjcc said:

the LP560-4 Bicolore, LP570-4 SL ET & LP610-4 that I have previously owned. Definitely a very special car that many have overlooked

please share more insight...

[70proof]

EpsomJames said:

anomie said:

One thing I am curious about...and maybe you know as seem into such things.... Seems to have best hp:w ratio even in comparison to SL but the Super Trofeo Stradale has 2.35kg per HP. I cannot actually find anything definitive on 560-2 weight, just a bit of guesswork. But from what I can work out (assuming dry weight of 1333?) we are at 2.38kg/hp. So, perhaps almost the lightest but not quite?

I suspect it's impossible to find out the definitive weight unless you put your car on scales. There is a wide variety of weights quoted from various sources for nearly all Gallardo models.

Whether it's the lightest? Possibly, as you obviously have the weight saving from having two less driven wheels, but there is other weight saving going on in the STS and SL cars such as carbon bucket seats, carbon deck, polycarbonate/thinner glass, even more carbon and lightweight exhaust (none of which the 560-2 has)?

Don't worry though, you won't be lacking in power to weight.

Gallardo 1430kg. 520hp post 2006. 363.6bhp/tonne
Gen1 SL. 1330kg. 530hp. 398.5
Lp560. 1410kg. 560bhp. 397.2
Lp550. 1380kg. 550bhp. 396.6
570 superleggera/squadra corsa 1340kg. 425.4
560-2 anniversario 1310kg. 427.5

these were dry weights I got after extensive research back in 2015 on a thread discussing power:weight.....

the only diff with a squadra corsa and a super trofeo stradale are they have a one piece black clip on engine cover rather than the cf/polycarbonate lid of the superleggera but then a heavier massive rieter rear wing, otherwise they are the same car otherwise, so hence similar weights....

But the 560-2 has full carbon interior (bar door cards) and seats, wheels off gen1 SL, rear spoiler which would make it the lightest and best power to weight ratio gallardo.... think the seats in the standard car weigh over 30kg... alcantara is lighter than leather, so having cf door cards doesn't save too much weight...

hth

[70proof]

EpsomJames said:

Ah okay, yours must be different to the LP560-2 I saw at Romans as that one also didn't have bucket seats, transmission tunnel cover (it had a strip of carbon down the centre), wing mirrors, running boards, diffuser and undertray all in carbon like an STS and SL.

Good to hear you are enjoying it already.

all us cars were the same spec.... as per motor show with red calipers and red stitching, all manual

uk cars were specced by the dealers.... 14 came in total, 2 immediately exported, not sure how many left, all e gear, 4 non white by hr owen.... pangbourne specced two white cars with standard electric 'comfort' seats and less cf, though they were alcantara, one you saw at Romans....

gen 1 sl was most extreme re weight saving..... thinned glass etc, Andrew can fill us in....
lp saved a lot of weight cf pre lp so then weight saving was less extreme..... seats esp, carbon trim, wheels, spoiler (ie ditching motors) and cf/polycarbonate lid (if you had the coupe).....

the lp560-2 does not have the polycarbonate lid but glass, but we do ditch the far heavier front diff!

[PurpleAki]

anomie said:

I don't always go down

You are going to have to buck your ideas up now he's bought you both a Lamborghini...

[70proof]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

and just for the record, im not talking it up as I bought one, after selling my my08 pre-lp I could have bought any variant I wanted... I did my homework, and test drives, and this is what I choose.... at that time, genI sl's were plentiful in the classifieds, cheaper than a 560-2, as were lp sl's, there was even a sts available.... but it was in red lol

Edited by 70proof on Thursday 2nd February 21:53

[Benny4294]

Great story guys,
So glad your loving your new toy,
Driving a Lambo for the first time brings such a grin to you face,
Like a child at Xmas,
I too had the same experience 2 years ago when I took delivery of my mk1 superleggera,
1st start up of the day is when it sounds the best barking away at 1200 rpm,
Craig is a top guy, always there to help and never ever pressurising at all,
Remember use it when ever you have chance and don't let the weather put you off, it's not like any other car you enjoy cleaning it as much as driving it,
Ow and sorry to have pulled the plug so late on I just couldn't let my baby go!

[70proof]

Benny4294 said:

Great story guys,
So glad your loving your new toy,
Driving a Lambo for the first time brings such a grin to you face,
Like a child at Xmas,
I too had the same experience 2 years ago when I took delivery of my mk1 superleggera,
1st start up of the day is when it sounds the best barking away at 1200 rpm,
Craig is a top guy, always there to help and never ever pressurising at all,
Remember use it when ever you have chance and don't let the weather put you off, it's not like any other car you enjoy cleaning it as much as driving it,
Ow and sorry to have pulled the plug so late on I just couldn't let my baby go!

just checked your profile, did you really get a rhd gen 1 for 86k in 2015? fair profit you could have made then, must be love/a keeper/damn good car, well done for holding on and well done for coming here and posting an apology!

[EpsomJames]

70proof said:

just checked your profile, did you really get a rhd gen 1 for 86k in 2015? fair profit you could have made then, must be love/a keeper/damn good car, well done for holding on and well done for coming here and posting an apology!

Car came over from Singapore which has something to do with the sale price, but completely understand why owner didn't (in the end) want to part with it.

[EpsomJames]

Thanks for the info above 70proof, very interesting reading. Also explains why the one I saw at Romans was more "comfort" than stripped out.

OPs, interested to know if you have one of the HRO spec'ed cars with the electric seats or full on CF.

[Just an old porsche fan]

Ours has the carbon backed seats that hug you and have holes in them for a harness.

I'll try to get a pic of them.

Different dealers specced them up differently. You can tell which dealer each one came from by the colour of the brake calipers apparently.

Just for the record and to show there is no anomisty we fully understand why Ben couldn't let it go. Yes I was rather disappointed but in the end we still got an amazing car and one that will bring us a lot of enjoyment. Hope to see you on one of the runs Ben and enjoy your car in good health.


And yes dear I will change my username to something more appropriate ...

Edited by Just an old porsche fan on Friday 3rd February 12:49

Edited by Just an old porsche fan on Friday 3rd February 12:50

[70proof]

EpsomJames said:

Thanks for the info above 70proof, very interesting reading. Also explains why the one I saw at Romans was more "comfort" than stripped out.

OPs, interested to know if you have one of the HRO spec'ed cars with the electric seats or full on CF.

boy did i do a lot of reading around then, guess i'm a gallardo nerd.....

the factory quoted dry weights are with cars in pov spec - the superleggera should have no sat nav unit, just a cf blanking plate, and a small cf rear wing.... sits almost flush to the rear deck...

the blanpain, sts and squadra corsa cars share more with the superleggera than the gt3 cars, the race link is simply the rear wing and engine hood, maybe stiffer suspension too..... if you then add a roll cage, and harnesses, the car is heavier than the superleggera, go figure lol...

[anomie]

70proof said:

Gallardo 1430kg. 520hp post 2006. 363.6bhp/tonne
Gen1 SL. 1330kg. 530hp. 398.5
Lp560. 1410kg. 560bhp. 397.2
Lp550. 1380kg. 550bhp. 396.6
570 superleggera/squadra corsa 1340kg. 425.4
560-2 anniversario 1310kg. 427.5

these were dry weights I got after extensive research back in 2015 on a thread discussing power:weight.....

hth

Thanks for insights, I did note some threads here and elsewhere discussing weight when I was doing own research. What I had trouble with was finding anything concrete about the LP560-2 in particular. Or, what I have found doesn't line up with what is above.

I found reasonably reliable sources in motoring magazines / blogs, press releases, etc... for almost every other model. Even wikipedia has a dry weight for most models. Its not so much that I doubt what you have worked out, but I'm curious as to source... Is it worked out based on weight of things 560-2 has or doesn't have vs. other models or is it externally verified? Also interesting would be to know why it is so easy to find a reliable "dry weight" for most other variants but not the 560-2?

For example, sources like this from US of manual car has it at 3,042lb (1379.8kg) while other sources such as this also concurr with 1379. I think maybe it is wrong because this is same weight as 550-2 and we have some weight saving against that. But the only places I can find anything alternative on 560-2 weight are forums....though this could be because I am english language only and I cannot access other sources.

RW