Looking Good For Huracan Performante,The New Benchmark
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isaldiri said:
but it'll be a time much more in line with what customer cars will be able to achieve..
But that's the point, most customers won't get anywhere near these times even with a special spec carThe ring time points to the ultimate potential of the package, end of
918 time set by walter? The Pirelli guy who sets the lambo times is clearly talented, knows the ring, and has balls the size of melons.... he also doesn't care if he puts the car in the armco, he doesn't pay for the damage.
MDL111 said:
RamboLambo said:
The Germans and British tend to be conservative with their power and performance "claims" whereas the Italians are a rule to themselves.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the HP can actually launch to the moon in a nano second
Well, the Germans anyway..... I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the HP can actually launch to the moon in a nano second
btchudson said:
GT2 RS imo will destroy everything! just wish they'd sell me one! 
Also, my Porsche dealer tells me that the 918 tech will be in the next 911 Turbo, Porsches are about to get STUPIDLY fast!
See, weight penalty of a Battery and charge characteristics means maybe not so, and certainly not lap after lapAlso, my Porsche dealer tells me that the 918 tech will be in the next 911 Turbo, Porsches are about to get STUPIDLY fast!
btchudson said:
GT2 RS imo will destroy everything! just wish they'd sell me one!
Also, my Porsche dealer tells me that the 918 tech will be in the next 911 Turbo, Porsches are about to get STUPIDLY fast!
Theres now a Panamera Hybrid with 680bhp. Put a similar powertrain in a 911 and yeah, that'll be a rapid car!Also, my Porsche dealer tells me that the 918 tech will be in the next 911 Turbo, Porsches are about to get STUPIDLY fast!
foxsasha said:
Theres now a Panamera Hybrid with 680bhp. Put a similar powertrain in a 911 and yeah, that'll be a rapid car in a straight drag race!
Efa.Not really, panamera likely to go like stink round ring as has longer wheelbase and wider track.... and lots of electronic gizmos to drive the car...
Edited by 70proof on Saturday 25th February 15:37
70proof said:
Efa.
Not really, panamera likely to go like stink round ring as has longer wheelbase and wider track.... and lots of electronic gizmos to drive the car...
The Panamera Turbo is slower than the Turbo S round the Ring (7.38 vs 7.34) and I believe that Turbo S time is for the 991.1, not the 991.2. Porsche claimed 7.18 for the 991.2 but it was a dodgy claim. Not really, panamera likely to go like stink round ring as has longer wheelbase and wider track.... and lots of electronic gizmos to drive the car...
Edited by 70proof on Saturday 25th February 15:37
I don't see why the hybrid 911 would be slower than a Panamera.
70proof said:
But that's the point, most customers won't get anywhere near these times even with a special spec car
The ring time points to the ultimate potential of the package, end of
918 time set by walter? The Pirelli guy who sets the lambo times is clearly talented, knows the ring, and has balls the size of melons.... he also doesn't care if he puts the car in the armco, he doesn't pay for the damage.
No the ring time doesn't point to the ultimate potential of the package. It just means a car that looks like that has gone round the 'ring in the claimed time. The ring time points to the ultimate potential of the package, end of
918 time set by walter? The Pirelli guy who sets the lambo times is clearly talented, knows the ring, and has balls the size of melons.... he also doesn't care if he puts the car in the armco, he doesn't pay for the damage.
How close that car is to a delivered customer car is open to question. The 918 has proven way faster than the SV in every magazine test on every other track. Unless you think the Pirelli test driver is much better than Marc Lieb (which is quite unlikely let's just say), being 2s claimed off the 'ring is imo a big outlier in terms of achieved performance from the SV against the 918. The performante will be imo very similar. We'll see soon enough once the SportAuto supertest and such come out anyway.
Personally I'm not even sure one will see in real terms the performante being much faster than the standard huracan on trofeos when/if seen on track as the standard car is I think a very quick one already if driven well.
70proof said:
Weight penalty of battery circa 300kg I think... will affect power weight ratio of 911 more
Very true. Will be interesting to see what power the 911 version will be putting out. If they make one. I've got to say that the Panamera Turbo Hybrid really tickles my fancy as a company car.isaldiri said:
No the ring time doesn't point to the ultimate potential of the package. It just means a car that looks like that has gone round the 'ring in the claimed time.
How close that car is to a delivered customer car is open to question. The 918 has proven way faster than the SV in every magazine test on every other track. Unless you think the Pirelli test driver is much better than Marc Lieb (which is quite unlikely let's just say), being 2s claimed off the 'ring is imo a big outlier in terms of achieved performance from the SV against the 918. The performante will be imo very similar. We'll see soon enough once the SportAuto supertest and such come out anyway.
Personally I'm not even sure one will see in real terms the performante being much faster than the standard huracan on trofeos when/if seen on track as the standard car is I think a very quick one already if driven well.
It does show the potential of the chassis etc, unlikely there a v12 in the mule or an underground racing twin turbo conversion How close that car is to a delivered customer car is open to question. The 918 has proven way faster than the SV in every magazine test on every other track. Unless you think the Pirelli test driver is much better than Marc Lieb (which is quite unlikely let's just say), being 2s claimed off the 'ring is imo a big outlier in terms of achieved performance from the SV against the 918. The performante will be imo very similar. We'll see soon enough once the SportAuto supertest and such come out anyway.
Personally I'm not even sure one will see in real terms the performante being much faster than the standard huracan on trofeos when/if seen on track as the standard car is I think a very quick one already if driven well.
One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
And agree, the standard huracan on torfeos is bloody quick...
Edited by 70proof on Saturday 25th February 18:40
70proof said:
MDL111 said:
RamboLambo said:
The Germans and British tend to be conservative with their power and performance "claims" whereas the Italians are a rule to themselves.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the HP can actually launch to the moon in a nano second
Well, the Germans anyway..... I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the HP can actually launch to the moon in a nano second
Er well sort of maybe then 
but only by association as the cars still have the Italian flair and passion 
70proof said:
It does show the potential of the chassis etc, unlikely there a v12 in the mule or an underground racing twin turbo conversion
One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
And agree, the standard huracan on torfeos is bloody quick...
Because of a map tweak whilst in to take it out of a reserved running in mode or just because the engine and drivetrain has loosened up?One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
And agree, the standard huracan on torfeos is bloody quick...
Edited by 70proof on Saturday 25th February 18:40
[quote=70proof]
It does show the potential of the chassis etc, unlikely there a v12 in the mule or an underground racing twin turbo conversion
One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
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Well you'd think lambo themselves will have known about that and sent out press cars post first service...and yet the SV in every single mag test was nowhere even close to the 918.
Anyway we're running around in circles. The people buying the new car and fans of the marque believe something, others have (imo with quite good reason) some doubts about the performance claims. I'll be happy to take this up again once the comparative mag test around europe/US start happening.
It does show the potential of the chassis etc, unlikely there a v12 in the mule or an underground racing twin turbo conversion
One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
/quote]
Well you'd think lambo themselves will have known about that and sent out press cars post first service...and yet the SV in every single mag test was nowhere even close to the 918.
Anyway we're running around in circles. The people buying the new car and fans of the marque believe something, others have (imo with quite good reason) some doubts about the performance claims. I'll be happy to take this up again once the comparative mag test around europe/US start happening.
isaldiri said:
Well you'd think lambo themselves will have known about that and sent out press cars post first service...and yet the SV in every single mag test was nowhere even close to the 918..
Ok, sport auto were 16s off the 918 ring time on a traffic free lap with the 918, ?press car, how many mags replicated Porsche,s own time then?isaldiri said:
70proof said:
It does show the potential of the chassis etc, unlikely there a v12 in the mule or an underground racing twin turbo conversion
One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
Well you'd think lambo themselves will have known about that and sent out press cars post first service...and yet the SV in every single mag test was nowhere even close to the 918.
Anyway we're running around in circles. The people buying the new car and fans of the marque believe something, others have (imo with quite good reason) some doubts about the performance claims. I'll be happy to take this up again once the comparative mag test around europe/US start happening.
The 918 was +150% more expensive and had +31% more power-to-weight than the Aventador in 2014... but the 918 was +7% faster round the Nurb...One thing about the sv... a lot of people rushed to the track with their customer cars... many owners confirm its a totally different beast after the first 1k service....
Well you'd think lambo themselves will have known about that and sent out press cars post first service...and yet the SV in every single mag test was nowhere even close to the 918.
Anyway we're running around in circles. The people buying the new car and fans of the marque believe something, others have (imo with quite good reason) some doubts about the performance claims. I'll be happy to take this up again once the comparative mag test around europe/US start happening.
The 918 was +100% more expensive and had +17% more power-to-weight than the Aventador SV in 2015... but the 918 was +1% faster round the Nurb...
The 918 is roughly +150% more expensive and has roughly +17% more power-to-weight than the Huracan Performante in 2017... but the 918 is roughly -1% slower round the Nurb...
You can see Lambo's progress right there... The engineering team has caught up... Slower... nearly equal... aannd they're ahead...
70proof said:
isaldiri said:
Well you'd think lambo themselves will have known about that and sent out press cars post first service...and yet the SV in every single mag test was nowhere even close to the 918..
Ok, sport auto were 16s off the 918 ring time on a traffic free lap with the 918, ?press car, how many mags replicated Porsche,s own time then?Look as I said, we're running around in circles. For some, 'because the manufacturer says so' is good enough. For some others, that simply isn't especially given the kind of claim being made (ie some fancy aero has suddenly made a car massively outperform) given the spec of the car as known.
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